Knicks · Knicks look good, but now they need a new 6th man (page 5)
ramtour420@ 1/2/2024 3:02 PM
The starting lineup looks set now. That's if we keep our balanced approach and commit to a strong bench. DeRozan off the bench would be sweet. Isn't there someone who plays D too? Ish Smith maybe?
fishmike@ 1/2/2024 3:22 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
MS wrote:ATL traded 3 picks.
They are going to want both picks next year Dallas and ours. He’s signed through 27-28. He was going into free agency when they got him.
20/5/5 is very solid. $30MM per.
We can't trade our pick this year, we traded it last year. They take the Dallas pick and the Milwaukee pick. We negotiate it down to 2 first rounders.
you guys are funny. Why not just make it Fournier and McBride and call it a day?
Alpha1971@ 1/2/2024 3:28 PM
fishmike wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
MS wrote:ATL traded 3 picks.
They are going to want both picks next year Dallas and ours. He’s signed through 27-28. He was going into free agency when they got him.
20/5/5 is very solid. $30MM per.
We can't trade our pick this year, we traded it last year. They take the Dallas pick and the Milwaukee pick. We negotiate it down to 2 first rounders.
you guys are funny. Why not just make it Fournier and McBride and call it a day?
Evan has another gear. His defense is underrated and misunderstood. And McBride is the best, did you see his G league stats ? But seriously, if you read my posts I want the team to deal for someone, DJM and several moves are conceivable at the right price. At the right deal DeRozan or Brogdon is fine also. Just depends on the price. I don't have a loyalty to any roll players. Trade em all in the right deal
martin@ 1/2/2024 6:10 PM
man, DRose circa 2020 would be perfect for this version of roster.
djsunyc@ 1/2/2024 6:39 PM
SergioNYK wrote:
martin wrote:Dejounte Murray!!
For Fournier and lots of picks!
Makes the most sense. Murray is not a star but he's a really good player. Gave us fits last season in a game as you can see. Shoots a good percentage from three so spacing shouldn't be that big of an issue. He can defend the elite guards in the league and you put Brunson the weaker one. He would allow Brunson to play a little off the ball. I think it's a perfect fit. And if it doesn't work, we can trade him. His contract is long but not crazy expensive.
It depends on what direction Landry Fields chooses to go. Trading Murray for Fournier, Grimes and a ton of picks kind of signals a rebuild. He'd probably have to trade Capela and Bogdanvic too.
Brogdan is another option that's realistic. But would he content coming off the bench?
Forgot about Clarkson. Ainge is never doing business with us. At least not fair business.
hawks want talent for murray, not expirings and picks. they are trying to win now, not rebuild. they were actively trying to get pascal this summer. you'll have to part with nba ready rotational players to get murray imho. i don't see a match with the knicks w/o involving a 3 team that does want expirings for a player OR randle is involved.
Alpha1971@ 1/2/2024 7:06 PM
djsunyc wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:
martin wrote:Dejounte Murray!!
For Fournier and lots of picks!
Makes the most sense. Murray is not a star but he's a really good player. Gave us fits last season in a game as you can see. Shoots a good percentage from three so spacing shouldn't be that big of an issue. He can defend the elite guards in the league and you put Brunson the weaker one. He would allow Brunson to play a little off the ball. I think it's a perfect fit. And if it doesn't work, we can trade him. His contract is long but not crazy expensive.
It depends on what direction Landry Fields chooses to go. Trading Murray for Fournier, Grimes and a ton of picks kind of signals a rebuild. He'd probably have to trade Capela and Bogdanvic too.
Brogdan is another option that's realistic. But would he content coming off the bench?
Forgot about Clarkson. Ainge is never doing business with us. At least not fair business.
hawks want talent for murray, not expirings and picks. they are trying to win now, not rebuild. they were actively trying to get pascal this summer. you'll have to part with nba ready rotational players to get murray imho. i don't see a match with the knicks w/o involving a 3 team that does want expirings for a player OR randle is involved.
No one knows nothing. No one knows for sure what will happen
Knixkik@ 1/2/2024 8:26 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:
martin wrote:Dejounte Murray!!
For Fournier and lots of picks!
Makes the most sense. Murray is not a star but he's a really good player. Gave us fits last season in a game as you can see. Shoots a good percentage from three so spacing shouldn't be that big of an issue. He can defend the elite guards in the league and you put Brunson the weaker one. He would allow Brunson to play a little off the ball. I think it's a perfect fit. And if it doesn't work, we can trade him. His contract is long but not crazy expensive.
It depends on what direction Landry Fields chooses to go. Trading Murray for Fournier, Grimes and a ton of picks kind of signals a rebuild. He'd probably have to trade Capela and Bogdanvic too.
Brogdan is another option that's realistic. But would he content coming off the bench?
Forgot about Clarkson. Ainge is never doing business with us. At least not fair business.
hawks want talent for murray, not expirings and picks. they are trying to win now, not rebuild. they were actively trying to get pascal this summer. you'll have to part with nba ready rotational players to get murray imho. i don't see a match with the knicks w/o involving a 3 team that does want expirings for a player OR randle is involved.
No one knows nothing. No one knows for sure what will happen
Seems like Atlanta would prefer to give up youth (Jalen Johnson and Hunter and fillers ) for Siakam than go in the other direction. Toronto has a great chance to add more youth around Barnes, Quickley and RJ. Seems like a deal like that or with Indiana for Mathurin, Toppin and Hield makes sense. I see Atlanta more likely as buyers.
Stuna117@ 1/2/2024 8:29 PM
Do you guys think Donte could fill Quickley’s role?
His efficiency will go down some, but I think he’s the only guy on our roster who qualifies. His skillset seems like a luxury now starting as our 2. Might be time to put Grimes back in the starting lineup.
Hartenstein Randle Anunoby Grimes Brunson
Bench: Donte, Hart, Achiuwa, McBride
Thibs usually keeps the rotation at 8-9 guys so one of the starters will be playing with the 2nd unit, probably OG and/or Grimes. I think Donte and Hart is enough ball-handling off the bench.
Knixkik@ 1/2/2024 8:31 PM
Stuna117 wrote:Do you guys think Donte could fill Quickley’s role?
His efficiency will go down some, but I think he’s the only guy on our roster who qualifies. His skillset seems like a luxury now starting as our 2. Might be time to put Grimes back in the starting lineup.
Hartenstein Randle Anunoby Grimes Brunson
Bench: Donte, Hart, Achiuwa, McBride
Thibs usually keeps the rotation at 8-9 guys so one of the starters will be playing with the 2nd unit, probably OG and/or Grimes. I think Donte and Hart is enough ball-handling off the bench.
DiVincenzo fits perfectly into the starting lineup now that he doesn’t have to be the primary defender.
martin@ 1/2/2024 8:37 PM
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Just my opinion of course but I see the Knicks as more likely to move Grimes in a deal (with minimal draft compensation) for a bench upgrade than to upgrade the starting lineup anytime soon. Grimes is good but he’s also due for an extension soon. He’s not going to be the young guy they need for a blockbuster deal. It’s more likely to be a 2024 draft pick. If grimes doesn’t get traded that’s all well and good, but they really need some bench scoring and any player added would cut into his playing time when the full team is healthy. Randle and Brunson are unlikely to play 82 games and there’s no support for them. When Randle missed time, Toppin could give a little extra and so could Barrett. When Brunson missed, Quickley was ready. Grimes isn’t magically turning into a scorer. I’m not advocating to trade him by any means, I’m just saying this team even at full strength is vulnerable and needs a bench spark. If you want a minimal rotation guy who can score, maybe someone like Bones Hyland. He doesn’t play much D but he can split the 9th man role with Deuce depending on what is needed. But otherwise it’s likely someone who’s cutting into Grimes time. Hart isn’t getting touched. He’s playing 28 mpg and finishing most games unless DiVincenzo is crazy hot. This trade really solidified the closing lineup so Thibs can’t get criticized as much for playing Barrett over Quickley etc. there’s no doubt now who’s finishing as far as the top 4 players and most of the time the 5th player. But they still need a scorer. Ball movement will work against some teams but not against all. They have plenty in the starting lineup and none off the bench. Hart excels in transition but gets stuck in half court. Grimes makes his move on a close out but then has no idea what to do after that. And Hartenstein is no longer there as much for the occasional backdoor cut. Deuce isn’t even looking to score. The whole thing collapses without Quickley, Barrett and Hartenstein.
Stuna117@ 1/2/2024 8:56 PM
Grimes was much better last season, I don’t want to give up on him too quick. I think he will benefit with more consistent minutes and playing time. I would love to extend him on the cheap. I think having him start and Donte off the bench is the best use of our players without any other moves being made. The spacing without RJ in the starting lineup is so much better.
EwingsGlass@ 1/2/2024 9:40 PM
I don’t really see Dejuan Murray as a 6th man. I’d pull the trigger on a deal right quick though.
Murray for Fournier and Grimes, both 2024 picks and both the Detroit and Washington picks.
Would be pretty excited to see this team together for a couple full seasons.
I like getting Bey back. I don't know if 4 first are needed. We need another center or Id use Simms instead of Gibson
Alpha1971@ 1/2/2024 10:58 PM
I agree with Martin, at the end of the day it will be Malcolm Brogdon for Fournier for a future first and we keep Grimes out of the deal. Then we turn to getting a center for the playoffs.
LivingLegend@ 1/2/2024 11:22 PM
djsunyc wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:
martin wrote:Dejounte Murray!!
For Fournier and lots of picks!
Makes the most sense. Murray is not a star but he's a really good player. Gave us fits last season in a game as you can see. Shoots a good percentage from three so spacing shouldn't be that big of an issue. He can defend the elite guards in the league and you put Brunson the weaker one. He would allow Brunson to play a little off the ball. I think it's a perfect fit. And if it doesn't work, we can trade him. His contract is long but not crazy expensive.
It depends on what direction Landry Fields chooses to go. Trading Murray for Fournier, Grimes and a ton of picks kind of signals a rebuild. He'd probably have to trade Capela and Bogdanvic too.
Brogdan is another option that's realistic. But would he content coming off the bench?
Forgot about Clarkson. Ainge is never doing business with us. At least not fair business.
hawks want talent for murray, not expirings and picks. they are trying to win now, not rebuild. they were actively trying to get pascal this summer. you'll have to part with nba ready rotational players to get murray imho. i don't see a match with the knicks w/o involving a 3 team that does want expirings for a player OR randle is involved.
I have heard varying reports on what Hawks want to do.
LivingLegend@ 1/2/2024 11:23 PM
Stuna117 wrote:Do you guys think Donte could fill Quickley’s role?
His efficiency will go down some, but I think he’s the only guy on our roster who qualifies. His skillset seems like a luxury now starting as our 2. Might be time to put Grimes back in the starting lineup.
Hartenstein Randle Anunoby Grimes Brunson
Bench: Donte, Hart, Achiuwa, McBride
Thibs usually keeps the rotation at 8-9 guys so one of the starters will be playing with the 2nd unit, probably OG and/or Grimes. I think Donte and Hart is enough ball-handling off the bench.
DD is to sloppy with his handles and decision making to fill IQ role.
LivingLegend@ 1/2/2024 11:23 PM
martin wrote:
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Would be pretty excited to see this team together for a couple full seasons.
Too many picks - you just gave them 4 picks.
Knixkik@ 1/3/2024 10:58 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:I agree with Martin, at the end of the day it will be Malcolm Brogdon for Fournier for a future first and we keep Grimes out of the deal. Then we turn to getting a center for the playoffs.
Hartenstein Randle Anunoby DiVincenzo Brunson
Hart Brogdon Grimes Achiuwa
With McBride in his 10th man emergency role
I like it. The only downside is grimes minutes will go back to being pinched when the team is full strength but I just don’t see an alternative there. Other options instead of Brogdon like Rozier or Clarkson do the same thing.
DLeethal@ 1/3/2024 11:16 AM
Stuna117 wrote:Grimes was much better last season, I don’t want to give up on him too quick. I think he will benefit with more consistent minutes and playing time. I would love to extend him on the cheap. I think having him start and Donte off the bench is the best use of our players without any other moves being made. The spacing without RJ in the starting lineup is so much better.
I like Grimes but he's been a relative disappointment after flashing some really good signs early in his career. DDV is showing that he should be able to produce offensively in his starting role and he has just been unable to do so. I think the FO has shifted away from patience and development that we saw them exhibit for the last 3 years. I think they are going win now mode and going to try and capitalize on the Brunson/Randle duo along with their in-their-prime supporting cast. I would say Grimes, Sims, Deuce are all trade bait along with Fournier's expiring and our picks to get another player by the deadline.
