martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
What’s the over/under on how long it takes Dramond Green to punch him in the face 
They're both Klutch, so I think Paul would jump in before it got to that level.
Paul needs some punching in the face too tbh
I mean, he needs to be reminded he is a Knick fan. Was supposed to deliver Davis to the Knicks. Losing Robinson as a client was his own fault for not delivering Davis like he was supposed to.
Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. He plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
Rookie wrote:TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
why? Nobody on that team plays defense. It's Trae's show. Murray here would go back to being a top flight defensive player (or we will trade him in a year). He's not the best 3 point shooter but he's a great slasher and willing passer. He's got a real scoring bag. He's a better defender than DD and Grimes. Problem is the only thing we can give them is something like Fournier's deal, Grimes and a bunch of picks (most with considerable protection)
fishmike wrote:Rookie wrote:TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
why? Nobody on that team plays defense. It's Trae's show. Murray here would go back to being a top flight defensive player (or we will trade him in a year). He's not the best 3 point shooter but he's a great slasher and willing passer. He's got a real scoring bag. He's a better defender than DD and Grimes. Problem is the only thing we can give them is something like Fournier's deal, Grimes and a bunch of picks (most with considerable protection)
I would agree, but they're saying his on the ball defense has fallen off too. That is not dependent on the rest of the team. Heck, Enes Freedom put up nice fantasy league stats too. And the we got to see first hand why teams couldn't wait to get rid of him.
I’m not sure if Dejonte is the right move or not but been watching the Hawks recently and they have no identity it seems.
System is basically Trae do wild stuff and defense seems like an afterthought- seem to be going thru the motions despite a good win vs Philly last night.
I noticed a number of comments on people drooling over Maxey and also a dunk he threw down going past Dejonte but Maxey was 12-29 to get 35.
Dejonte went 8-18 for 25, 5 and 5 in the win and he guarded Maxey most of the night.
There may be better fits but Murray is a Swiss Army knife that can contribute in many ways - fun speculation whatever goes down.
BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:Rookie wrote:TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
why? Nobody on that team plays defense. It's Trae's show. Murray here would go back to being a top flight defensive player (or we will trade him in a year). He's not the best 3 point shooter but he's a great slasher and willing passer. He's got a real scoring bag. He's a better defender than DD and Grimes. Problem is the only thing we can give them is something like Fournier's deal, Grimes and a bunch of picks (most with considerable protection)
I would agree, but they're saying his on the ball defense has fallen off too. That is not dependent on the rest of the team. Heck, Enes Freedom put up nice fantasy league stats too. And the we got to see first hand why teams couldn't wait to get rid of him.
How about this take, with the caveat I don’t watch any Hawks games:
His all defensive team honor is probably overrated when compared to someone like OG. He is not a physical defender like OG, Hart, Grimes, Deuce… he is more shoot the gap, come from the blind side like DDV or IQ.
He can blanket smaller players.
My ideal position for him is off bench next to Deuce, Hart, and eventually Mitch.
Let him have ball in another rotation finding Brunson, OG in corners.
fishmike wrote:Rookie wrote:TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
why? Nobody on that team plays defense. It's Trae's show. Murray here would go back to being a top flight defensive player (or we will trade him in a year). He's not the best 3 point shooter but he's a great slasher and willing passer. He's got a real scoring bag. He's a better defender than DD and Grimes. Problem is the only thing we can give them is something like Fournier's deal, Grimes and a bunch of picks (most with considerable protection)
The juice just isn't worth the squeeze. He isn't the missing piece. His salary jumps to 25.5M next season and escalates every year 31.5M 27/28 his age 31 season. He is an Iso heavy player who is checked out when he isn't on the ball and his on ball D ain't that good.
Rookie wrote:fishmike wrote:Rookie wrote:TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
why? Nobody on that team plays defense. It's Trae's show. Murray here would go back to being a top flight defensive player (or we will trade him in a year). He's not the best 3 point shooter but he's a great slasher and willing passer. He's got a real scoring bag. He's a better defender than DD and Grimes. Problem is the only thing we can give them is something like Fournier's deal, Grimes and a bunch of picks (most with considerable protection)
The juice just isn't worth the squeeze. He isn't the missing piece. His salary jumps to 25.5M next season and escalates every year 31.5M 27/28 his age 31 season. He is an Iso heavy player who is checked out when he isn't on the ball and his on ball D ain't that good.
those aren't big figure and we'd be paying for his prime years like you say.
Trade for Dejounte this year, and you have a piece you can combine with other players and picks down the line for Booker.
Booker of CAA fame.
martin wrote:Trade for Dejounte this year, and you have a piece you can combine with other players and picks down the line for Booker.Booker of CAA fame.
I'd be shocked if Atlanta gets half of what it cost to trade for him. If GM's are saying RJ's contract was toxic, what are they saying about DJM?
Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Trade for Dejounte this year, and you have a piece you can combine with other players and picks down the line for Booker.Booker of CAA fame.
I'd be shocked if Atlanta gets half of what it cost to trade for him. If GM's are saying RJ's contract was toxic, what are they saying about DJM?
His contract is actually considered a plus. A player of his caliber locked in for 30m per year for 4yrs
Rookie wrote:TheMTL wrote:Rookie wrote:Man, are any of you watching any of these hawks games. I just don't get the DJM love
I don't watch Hawk games but Dejounte is on my fantasy team putting up solid numbers. Whence he comes to the MSF, he plays really well especially on the defensive end.
His skillset just fits perfectly
Fit's perfectly how? Shouldn't he fit perfectly on the Hawks and yet......
Trae is extraordinarily high usage. The guy averages 28ppg shooting only 41% FG and he manages 4 TO's and 11 apg. When does he not have the ball?
Brunson ball dominance isn't anywhere near that level.
Murray has pure PG skills who can allow some offball movement for Brunson.
Murray doesn't demand as many shots as a Donovan Mitchell. Between Brunson/Mitchell/Randle that's about 60shots per game. What does that leave for the rest.
Murray plays good defense. Knicks want a defensive identity. OG can't defend everyone at the same time. Murray has size for his position as well. Murray/OG/Mitch is a defensive dream...the length would be incredible
He shoots 38% from 3pt so he knocks them up at an above average rate.
DJM just flat out produces on offense. can he get back to playing good defense here is the question, and i dont see why he cant.
he's up to 40% from 3 this year on very high volume, might be time to accept that he's an improved shooter who has been improving every year for the past 4 years now. he also takes tough contested, unassisted 3's so that % is even more impressive.
would be disappointed if we dont get him, great value for Grimes and 2 1sts IMO
I’m still so torn on this Murray thing. Knicks starting 5 fits so well together. The sore spot is bench scoring. Obviously Murray can indirectly fix that mixing in with the second unit. The question is, is Murray a big enough difference maker overall to offset the imperfect fit with the starting group?
Knixkik wrote:I’m still so torn on this Murray thing. Knicks starting 5 fits so well together. The sore spot is bench scoring. Obviously Murray can indirectly fix that mixing in with the second unit. The question is, is Murray a big enough difference maker overall to offset the imperfect fit with the starting group.
I mean its worth the risk to find out, whats the alternative? let Evan expire and lose the ability to match salary for a star later?
I think at worse he doesn't make us better but I don't see him making us worse.
Also if you stop thinking that he cant shoot, his fit isn't bad.. he's shooting 40% from 3 on high volume and has been improving every year from there, people need to stop calling him a non shooter at this point. the only guys we have shooting 40% 3 and making as many as he does are Brunson and DDV and those guys are ELITE shooters.
nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:I’m still so torn on this Murray thing. Knicks starting 5 fits so well together. The sore spot is bench scoring. Obviously Murray can indirectly fix that mixing in with the second unit. The question is, is Murray a big enough difference maker overall to offset the imperfect fit with the starting group.
I mean its worth the risk to find out, whats the alternative? let Evan expire and lose the ability to match salary for a star later?
I think at worse he doesn't make us better but I don't see him making us worse.
Also if you stop thinking that he cant shoot, his fit isn't bad.. he's shooting 40% from 3 on high volume and has been improving every year from there, people need to stop calling him a non shooter at this point. the only guys we have shooting 40% 3 and making as many as he does are Brunson and DDV and those guys are ELITE shooters.
The alternative is absolutely not letting Fournier expire. We need that contract value. So trade him in a deal for Brogdon, or Rozier, or Gafford/Shamet, or one of the bogdanovics. Or worst case just pick up his option. We need that contract for a future trade somewhere. I’m just saying I’m torn between adding Murray or simply keeping the balance we have with the starters and adding bench help.
Somewhat related, I’m actually a bit higher on Deuce than grimes. I’ve been a bit down on grimes. He’s an excellent 3&D guy but his upside is somewhat limited beyond that. I’d move him sooner rather than later. His hot shooting tends to come late in games when the outcome is decided and he’s just launching freely. Then you have games like last night where it’s a huge opportunity for him and he’s a non factor. How Deuce stepped up is what you want from your young players against superior teams. Point is I would replace grimes in the rotation with a legit scorer and leave Deuce in his 12-15 mpg role.
Knixkik wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:I’m still so torn on this Murray thing. Knicks starting 5 fits so well together. The sore spot is bench scoring. Obviously Murray can indirectly fix that mixing in with the second unit. The question is, is Murray a big enough difference maker overall to offset the imperfect fit with the starting group.
I mean its worth the risk to find out, whats the alternative? let Evan expire and lose the ability to match salary for a star later?
I think at worse he doesn't make us better but I don't see him making us worse.
Also if you stop thinking that he cant shoot, his fit isn't bad.. he's shooting 40% from 3 on high volume and has been improving every year from there, people need to stop calling him a non shooter at this point. the only guys we have shooting 40% 3 and making as many as he does are Brunson and DDV and those guys are ELITE shooters.
The alternative is absolutely not letting Fournier expire. We need that contract value. So trade him in a deal for Brogdon, or Rozier, or Gafford/Shamet, or one of the bogdanovics. Or worst case just pick up his option. We need that contract for a future trade somewhere. I’m just saying I’m torn between adding Murray or simply keeping the balance we have with the starters and adding bench help.
Somewhat related, I’m actually a bit higher on Deuce than grimes. I’ve been a bit down on grimes. He’s an excellent 3&D guy but his upside is somewhat limited beyond that. I’d move him sooner rather than later. His hot shooting tends to come late in games when the outcome is decided and he’s just launching freely. Then you have games like last night where it’s a huge opportunity for him and he’s a non factor. How Deuce stepped up is what you want from your young players against superior teams. Point is I would replace grimes in the rotation with a legit scorer and leave Deuce in his 12-15 mpg role.
ehh the idea of keeping Evan on the bench for a 3rd year just in case we need him as a trade chip... is just... not a good look. I would really hope we dont do that, why not trade him for someone that can actually help?
Brogdon is too old and not good enough to justify benching Duece and Grimes IMO.
And none of those guys would really be assets if we wanted to trade for a star later on. DJM could potentially be though.
nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:I’m still so torn on this Murray thing. Knicks starting 5 fits so well together. The sore spot is bench scoring. Obviously Murray can indirectly fix that mixing in with the second unit. The question is, is Murray a big enough difference maker overall to offset the imperfect fit with the starting group.
I mean its worth the risk to find out, whats the alternative? let Evan expire and lose the ability to match salary for a star later?
I think at worse he doesn't make us better but I don't see him making us worse.
Also if you stop thinking that he cant shoot, his fit isn't bad.. he's shooting 40% from 3 on high volume and has been improving every year from there, people need to stop calling him a non shooter at this point. the only guys we have shooting 40% 3 and making as many as he does are Brunson and DDV and those guys are ELITE shooters.
The alternative is absolutely not letting Fournier expire. We need that contract value. So trade him in a deal for Brogdon, or Rozier, or Gafford/Shamet, or one of the bogdanovics. Or worst case just pick up his option. We need that contract for a future trade somewhere. I’m just saying I’m torn between adding Murray or simply keeping the balance we have with the starters and adding bench help.
Somewhat related, I’m actually a bit higher on Deuce than grimes. I’ve been a bit down on grimes. He’s an excellent 3&D guy but his upside is somewhat limited beyond that. I’d move him sooner rather than later. His hot shooting tends to come late in games when the outcome is decided and he’s just launching freely. Then you have games like last night where it’s a huge opportunity for him and he’s a non factor. How Deuce stepped up is what you want from your young players against superior teams. Point is I would replace grimes in the rotation with a legit scorer and leave Deuce in his 12-15 mpg role.
ehh the idea of keeping Evan on the bench for a 3rd year just in case we need him as a trade chip... is just... not a good look. I would really hope we dont do that, why not trade him for someone that can actually help?
Brogdon is too old and not good enough to justify benching Duece and Grimes IMO.
And none of those guys would really be assets if we wanted to trade for a star later on. DJM could potentially be though.
Agreed murray is more of an asset. It’s a worthy gamble.
