Knicks · [GT 5/6/24 7:30PM TNT] R2G1 Knicks vs Pacers (page 17)

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Either way, we might just need to resign to the fact that we are short on players and they rely on their deep bench. We don't have to try and match them. We can just do what we do, let Brunson outscore their backcourt by 30, dominate the offensive boards, limit turnovers, and try to control pace. Keep it close and Brunson wins it down the stretch. No need to try and match their bench or play at their pace. Their bench can outscore ours by 40 in a loss all they want.

I just dont get the panic... I guess I am old cause I still remember Ewing playing 38-40 minutes a night for 82 games followed by 40 minutes a night in the playoffs and being a big 4th qtr player. That was the culture. You didnt sit or want to sit to stay fresh, you wanted to be out on the floor.

We traded some depth and lost a couple guys. That leaves us thin.

Bottom line is we won the game in the 1st and 4th qtrs because our starter are much better than the Pacers. OG also didnt have a good game at all until the 4th when he did his thing.

You are spot on regarding Jordan Brunson. His ability to get to spots and get a shot he likes is getting at that level. These numbers are insane. 6-10 fgs, 8-8 fts, 21 pts and +13. All in the 4th. They should have rested him! That's on Thibs!

tail wagging the dog IMO with the minutes police

If McBride or Precious or Mitch get hot/impactful their minutes will happen. It's not like the coach and players are running around with synchronized stop watches

In principle i like the idea of Burks on TJ and Precious on Obi, but the coach has to read the game and see who is getting sh!t done

Thibs has proven he will ride the bench when they are going like he did a few times with Deuce, and with Bogie, and with Precious in round 1. But he isn't gonna lose the game to save the starters a few mins of rest.

Chandler wrote:

VDesai wrote:Ok they keep replaying that illegal screen and the more I watch it the more you see Turner intentionally stick his knee out on the screen. Now the issue is he probably did that about 8 other times and they chose to call it at the most crucial possession in the game.

Whatever, how many calls have gone against the Knicks? Its just something for the press to talk about.

like i said last night it had to be a situation where the Knicks were advocating for that and who knows maybe the refs even told Turner to watch it, that it was getting to be too much to ignore

it has to have been something like that because the whistle was quick like they were specifically on the lookout for it. ANd it wasn't just the knee. It was the step with his right leg was late, then the knee and then the slight shoulder. Nothing Miami-esque but i wouldn't consider that call in a vacuum. He sets a lot of screens and i suspect there was a lot of bitching about them during the game etc

It was the right call - it won't be included in the L2M. It was reviewed and upheld. It was a shitty time to call it, and there is an unspoken rule to not make those types of calls with game on the line but nobody can say it was not the correct call by the letter of the law.

Hey, Jordan pushed off in '96 finals versus Utah. S h i t happenns they gonna have to deal with it.

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Ok they keep replaying that illegal screen and the more I watch it the more you see Turner intentionally stick his knee out on the screen. Now the issue is he probably did that about 8 other times and they chose to call it at the most crucial possession in the game.

Whatever, how many calls have gone against the Knicks? Its just something for the press to talk about.

Turner never for one second stopped moving. Never planted. Ever. I get they dont call it but I thought it was pretty obvious.

Ya you can’t screen like a pulling guard in football. It was the confirmed correct call and Dante sold it well.

JesseDark wrote:Hey, Jordan pushed off in '96 finals versus Utah. S h i t happenns they gonna have to deal with it.

Reggie made a living shoving and flopping. He probably invented the flop for jump shooters.

But here's one of the worst no-call push offs in history.

Actually, the Pacers averaged 47 bench point per game the whole season.

fitzfarm wrote:The pacers bench was unreal and we still won, the chances of there bench scoring 46pts in a game again in this series is slim to none.
Without there bench playing way above there standard, Knicks win in blowout fashion.

I agree, like Bird, he backs his opponent down into the paint area and then hits the smooth fade with ease. All talent, not speed or athletic ability. He does have a shiftiness that makes him seem fast, but it is a honed craft, not speed. His true speed is his thought process, he gets a lot of layups on bigs because he makes a split-second decision to attack the rim on a hesitation, its beautiful to see. Glad he is on my team.

franco12 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Lame call but I’ll take it. We stole that one and must play better.

But what Jordan Brunson does down the stretch of playoff games is otherworldly.

I don’t know if Jordan Brunson is the best comparison.

I think he’s more Bird Brunson. How I hated Larry and the Celtics in the 80s - they always found a way to win.

Jordan dominated with pure physical ability (& an incredible will to win).

Larry couldn’t jump and was not especially fast, but he could hit ridiculous shots and always was in the right place at the right time.

I agree, we need to try something for bench scoring, but the problem is every game has been win or lose tight the majority of the game except the beginning of that 33-11 game. Thibs literally has no margin of error and plays it to win. Just how long can that last?

Clean wrote:We should try Burks some. With Brunson playing more minutes in the playoff we should never have to see point Burks and we really need to fill in some of Bogeys scoring.

NYStateOfMind wrote:I agree, we need to try something for bench scoring, but the problem is every game has been win or lose tight the majority of the game except the beginning of that 33-11 game. Thibs literally has no margin of error and plays it to win. Just how long can that last?

Clean wrote:We should try Burks some. With Brunson playing more minutes in the playoff we should never have to see point Burks and we really need to fill in some of Bogeys scoring.

Veto on Burks. Fill Bogey's scoring with turnovers and bad shots?

EwingsGlass wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:I agree, we need to try something for bench scoring, but the problem is every game has been win or lose tight the majority of the game except the beginning of that 33-11 game. Thibs literally has no margin of error and plays it to win. Just how long can that last?

Clean wrote:We should try Burks some. With Brunson playing more minutes in the playoff we should never have to see point Burks and we really need to fill in some of Bogeys scoring.

Veto on Burks. Fill Bogey's scoring with turnovers and bad shots?

I think they can get away with throwing Burks out there - off the ball - and see if he can hit some pull ups and help keep the bench afloat. If it's not working pull the plug and he doesn't return in the second half most likely. That's basically what they did with Precious last night.

I respect that class over bitching. Kudos to their coach and PG, F Turner. I'm sick and tired of this narrative. Watch the play slowly, first he usually does this, his legs are well outside the frame of his body, which is an illegal stance for a pick before contact even begins. Next, he is moving into that position, so isn't even set, which is a moving pick, and lastly, already having violated 2 issues already, he moved his upper body into the path as well. So, that is 3 infractions in one play, it should and was called correctly and I DGAS when it is called, that BS dirty play needs to be stopped in the NBA. I honestly think DDV didn't anticipate that extra contact and the initial fall was a legit reaction, the kicking out of the end is the only thing close to selling it, which he didn't even need to do. How most analysts are using he sold it and time of the game excuse is a lame cop-out. They weren't given this game they took it.

Did the refs foul JB before inbounds, did the refs hit the DDV 3, did they hit late free throws, did they turn over the ball? No, the players did, so the players did decide the game. Every damn show talking this trash instead of giving this team and JB's historic performances their proper due first. All sore losers mentality.

Let's go Knicks, keep pissing people off and having them underestimate this team. We may not win the chip this year, but how many stars are now thinking, I love how that team never quits, and how they could be the missing piece, especially without Randle and Bogey even being here. The ones who don't, want the easy path like KD and don't want to put in the work to play Knicks winning basketball, so F them, don't want them.

Go NY Go NY Go!!!

How is it Haliburton is allowed to hit the ball recklessly out of JB's hand then chop his arm, but it isn't a foul because he got ball first? But then the same people with bitch that when JB does the same down low for the block, that was a foul? Refs suck, both way. Play the game and if you lose, shut up Jimmy Butler.

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Ive come to expect better from Deuce, he'll bounce back G2.

Not gonna lie was surprised to see Siakam taking it to OG, but OG came up with some big steals late.

Overall really bad defensive game from us. But offensively Brunson, DDV and Hart were all great. Much easier defense to score against.

all the ref blaming these days is just cringe though, even Jamal Murray with the money gesture to refs, it's the easy cop out when a team loses now. spare me.

I wouldn’t say Siakam took it to him he only had 19 pts. He had a couple flurries when he caught it deep but OG did his job containing him.

Carlisle and Hali were pretty diplomatic about the refs I was impressed. They deflected and said it’s not about the refs. Turner bitched about it.

I don't know much more of these heart racing down to the last minute games my heart and nerves can take!

But so good to get the first one! The winner of game one between these two have gone to win the series 100% of the time! I cannot believe Brunson is on this team. Never my wildest dreams did I ever EVER expect to have a player this good. He is doing Jordan type of stuff! This is the equivalent of us getting to sleep with Jessica Alba LOL! Down 5 going into the 4th, I said it's Brunson time. And delivered! 21 points in the 4th! And he hit all his FTs! He needs to be a little more careful with the turnovers though.

Are we sure Hart is on steroids or performance enhancements? How is it possible to play all 48 minutes almost every single game and not get tired!! He is the best rebounder I've seen since Rodman! Crazy what he is able to do at just 6'4"! An offensive rebound is most demoralizing play in basketball. It swings momentum and just kills the other teams spirit. And his transition baskets and threes have him a star!

DVo with another game winning 3! And his defense on Haliburton, held him to just 6 points, was outstanding! I liked that he took it to the basket a few times too. These Villanova Knicks are a trio for the ages! Just think there is a 5-18 year old watching this team right now and they are becoming fans cause of what this team is doing!

I agree with this, but the problem is Hart only knows one speed, all-out speed. lol And, it becomes contagious. A leopard can't change his spots, but the rest of the team can play their pace which is best for winning. I f'in love Hart's style of play, very Sprewell cut your heart out and refuse to lose mentality.

DLeethal wrote:My biggest takeaway is don’t try to run with these guys. I know it’s tempting to push but it lulls you in to a game you won’t win. We need to muddy it up like we did down the stretch.

He shot 50%, I'll take it. Limit Obi & TJ, we will be fine with their starter points. They outscored our bench by 43 pts, our starters outscored theirs by 47 pts, just let that soak in.

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Ive come to expect better from Deuce, he'll bounce back G2.

Not gonna lie was surprised to see Siakam taking it to OG, but OG came up with some big steals late.

Overall really bad defensive game from us. But offensively Brunson, DDV and Hart were all great. Much easier defense to score against.

all the ref blaming these days is just cringe though, even Jamal Murray with the money gesture to refs, it's the easy cop out when a team loses now. spare me.

I wouldn’t say Siakam took it to him he only had 19 pts. He had a couple flurries when he caught it deep but OG did his job containing him.

Carlisle and Hali were pretty diplomatic about the refs I was impressed. They deflected and said it’s not about the refs. Turner bitched about it.

felt like a big 19 though, he was very efficient vs OG. had like 4 or 5 buckets right on him one on one. Was surprised, maybe knowing him so well from TOR days benefits him

NYStateOfMind wrote:I agree with this, but the problem is Hart only knows one speed, all-out speed. lol And, it becomes contagious. A leopard can't change his spots, but the rest of the team can play their pace which is best for winning. I f'in love Hart's style of play, very Sprewell cut your heart out and refuse to lose mentality.

DLeethal wrote:My biggest takeaway is don’t try to run with these guys. I know it’s tempting to push but it lulls you in to a game you won’t win. We need to muddy it up like we did down the stretch.

I mean Hart was super effective in his one-man fast breaks last night. So it's definitely a delicate balance. But the first half pace was way out of our league. There's no point of willingly diving in to their style of play.

SergioNYK wrote:I don't know much more of these heart racing down to the last minute games my heart and nerves can take!

But so good to get the first one! The winner of game one between these two have gone to win the series 100% of the time! I cannot believe Brunson is on this team. Never my wildest dreams did I ever EVER expect to have a player this good. He is doing Jordan type of stuff! This is the equivalent of us getting to sleep with Jessica Alba LOL! Down 5 going into the 4th, I said it's Brunson time. And delivered! 21 points in the 4th! And he hit all his FTs! He needs to be a little more careful with the turnovers though.

Are we sure Hart is on steroids or performance enhancements? How is it possible to play all 48 minutes almost every single game and not get tired!! He is the best rebounder I've seen since Rodman! Crazy what he is able to do at just 6'4"! An offensive rebound is most demoralizing play in basketball. It swings momentum and just kills the other teams spirit. And his transition baskets and threes have him a star!

DVo with another game winning 3! And his defense on Haliburton, held him to just 6 points, was outstanding! I liked that he took it to the basket a few times too. These Villanova Knicks are a trio for the ages! Just think there is a 5-18 year old watching this team right now and they are becoming fans cause of what this team is doing!

Hart is definitely like a modern day 6'4" Rodman

Deuce was not good, Mitch was close to unplayable, but Precious was used incorrectly at the 4 instead of in place of Mitch. So, I don't blame him for not succeeding last night. Use Precious as a backup C at times and if we ever have a cushy lead we can hold, sprinkle a shooter off the bench, and see if they can find a stroke. Burk hardly plays, he seems injured, why hasn't he healed by now? Mitch can still have his defensive subs, but he isn't blocking much and still letting smaller guys score at the rim.

Clean wrote:I am usually on the side of giving players a break but playoff time is different. You do whatever you must to win. McBride and Precious minutes were all negative last night. It is what it is. Players will have a few months to rest after we win the championship.

Jhart trade is very underrated, getting him for a late 1st, in his prime... i mean its been a game changer and also made RJ expendable somewhat which allowed us to get OG.

Getting Jhart and DDV for peanuts really set up the next move.

Before that we got Brunson for peanuts,

now we got Deuce for peanuts.

This FO has done an amazing job at not just going in on high dollar players.

After Game 2 vs. Philly the refs and the two minute report were the stories of the game. Refs are incentivised to make the right calls because their pay jumps significantly the further they go in the playoffs. A lot of the calls made last night were similar to calls missed in game 2 vs. Philly. I think the refs just tried to make calls consistently throughout the game. It's on the players to adjust.

nycericanguy wrote:Jhart trade is very underrated, getting him for a late 1st, in his prime... i mean its been a game changer and also made RJ expendable somewhat which allowed us to get OG.

Getting Jhart and DDV for peanuts really set up the next move.

Before that we got Brunson for peanuts,

now we got Deuce for peanuts.

This FO has done an amazing job at not just going in on high dollar players.

What's interesting is how does Thibs go back to Hart off the bench for 28 mpg? Do either of them go back to that? Thibs most trusted workhorse now, how does he maintain 36mpg at full health?

gradyandrew wrote:After Game 2 vs. Philly the refs and the two minute report were the stories of the game. Refs are incentivised to make the right calls because their pay jumps significantly the further they go in the playoffs. A lot of the calls made last night were similar to calls missed in game 2 vs. Philly. I think the refs just tried to make calls consistently throughout the game. It's on the players to adjust.

The funny thing is, the call they are all bitching about was a proper call that held up under review. The only missed call was the kick ball.