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Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:While speaking on ESPN's "Get Up" on Tuesday, NBA insider Brian Windhorst said that Anunoby intends to hear other offers because he's "not thrilled" with the Knicks' offers thus far.

I wonder why Sam Rose feels the need to speak to the press when he has the clear ear of Leon at dinner and on the weekends.

Could be genuine thing.
Could be Sam needs to look good for existing and potential clients?
Knicks not "tampering" or anything but lets just say with all the Nepo going with after Rick/Jalen/Sam/Leon they need to have some transparency.
If OG or others got wind he could have gotten more money from other team and did not have the opportunity it would not look good for Sam to be colluding with his dad.
Just my guess. Also it could be one of Sam's partners might be negotiating for OG on contract? OG might want it this way? Sam and Leon might want it also?

It wouldn’t look good for OG either. Duh!

Rookie wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:While speaking on ESPN's "Get Up" on Tuesday, NBA insider Brian Windhorst said that Anunoby intends to hear other offers because he's "not thrilled" with the Knicks' offers thus far.

I wonder why Sam Rose feels the need to speak to the press when he has the clear ear of Leon at dinner and on the weekends.

Could be genuine thing.
Could be Sam needs to look good for existing and potential clients?
Knicks not "tampering" or anything but lets just say with all the Nepo going with after Rick/Jalen/Sam/Leon they need to have some transparency.
If OG or others got wind he could have gotten more money from other team and did not have the opportunity it would not look good for Sam to be colluding with his dad.
Just my guess. Also it could be one of Sam's partners might be negotiating for OG on contract? OG might want it this way? Sam and Leon might want it also?

It wouldn’t look good for OG either. Duh!

I keep seeing people talk about OG's agent being Sam Rose, but I also saw it reported that his lead agent is really Austin Brown. Sam Rose works on the broader team.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:While speaking on ESPN's "Get Up" on Tuesday, NBA insider Brian Windhorst said that Anunoby intends to hear other offers because he's "not thrilled" with the Knicks' offers thus far.

I wonder why Sam Rose feels the need to speak to the press when he has the clear ear of Leon at dinner and on the weekends.

There’s only so many chairs to go around before the music stops. From the assets thread

Teams with the most cap space
1 - Detroit - 72M
2 - Philadelphia - 58M
3 - Utah 44M
4 - Oklahoma City 39M
5 - San Antonio 34M
6 - Orlando 20M
7 - Charlotte 12M

There could be teams who can create the cap space but I don’t know who they could be right now. The rumor mill is just heating up. Will Detroit eat contracts again for asset? Sure they will if they can’t build out their roster in FA

To me Philly is the only real threat and they have their sites set on PG. But if I was Philly I'd probably go after OG given I have enough offense from Embiid/Maxey. Once they are done paying Maxey, I'm not sure how much that leaves in terms of the OG initial offer.

I guess he's not going to opt in and save the Knicks a bundle.

Why would he play on one leg in Game 7 if he was seriously considering leaving? It doesn't make too much sense.

gradyandrew wrote:Why would he play on one leg in Game 7 if he was seriously considering leaving? It doesn't make too much sense.

I don’t see a credible source making this comment. Seems like fake news. Anyone have a primary source?

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:While speaking on ESPN's "Get Up" on Tuesday, NBA insider Brian Windhorst said that Anunoby intends to hear other offers because he's "not thrilled" with the Knicks' offers thus far.

This is what happens when you tried RJ and IQ for a guy on an expiring contract. We have 0 leverage.

I refuse to believe that Leon Rose has not considered this when making the OG trade. I prefer to think that there was some understanding in place with OG's agent at the time of the trade, and right now this is just a smokescreen being thrown to be able to deflect any future criticism for giving OG too rich of an extension: "We had to match the market".

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:While speaking on ESPN's "Get Up" on Tuesday, NBA insider Brian Windhorst said that Anunoby intends to hear other offers because he's "not thrilled" with the Knicks' offers thus far.

This is what happens when you tried RJ and IQ for a guy on an expiring contract. We have 0 leverage.

I refuse to believe that Leon Rose has not considered this when making the OG trade. I prefer to think that there was some understanding in place with OG's agent at the time of the trade, and right now this is just a smokescreen being thrown to be able to deflect any future criticism for giving OG too rich of an extension: "We had to match the market".

Fact of the matter is that this front office has revealed exactly zero percent of what they have actually been thinking or doing. Literally zero of their moves were reported in advance. Hiring Rick Brunson was perhaps the only signaling that we have seen. Even that just happened without prior reporting. Who had advance info on Mo Cheeks? Who has knowledge on Johnnie Bryant’s postions. I see a dearth of real information in the marketplace and a lot of guys who make their living by being in the know making educated guesses about what’s happening. Because OG hasn’t signed yet we can surmise he isn’t happy with the Knicks offer. Windy makes that statement and some no name says “oh yeah, that’s what my internal sources tell me also”. I am calling bullshit.

I actually think that OG exercises the player option at the deadline and takes the major extension in August. Not thrilled, but it the optimal efficiency move and the Knicks can make the economics match regardless. We’ve seen every core player for the Knicks make some form of concession to the salary cap in order to be part of the Knicks long term plans. Only question I have is whether OG wants to be part of the long term plans or if he thinks he can be the star of his own show. I think he wants to be here but I have no basis to say that other than the effort he leaves on the court.

Crows are circling.

Siakam about to make 47mm per yr max deal. I think you can argue that OG is more valuable. Im not sure anyone would come close to paying Siakam that much in FA so it feels like the Pacers are overpaying.

This also sets a high bar for the Randle extension

Windy and WoJ are as credible as they come but not perfect.
Siakim gets that max, these are strange times and big money.
Jaylen Brown will make 57mil next year. Luka might make 80mil in a season. its crazy.
Knick players make concessions to also be in a position to make a bigger pay day if they succeed. JB and Randle are coming up.
We put OG in a position in half a season that he showed up just how important he is.
Randle at 29 is not a two time All NBA player and looking at his last big payday. OG and JB are a few years younger and have a different timeline.
I won't project I know what they want.
Easy to guess they want financial compensation, stability, individual success, and team success. Location might matter when enough things are equal. Logic dictates OG and Knicks had an "understanding" prior to the trade.

OG would be a great fit in Philly. If they don't spend enough for depth injuries could add up and we see how that can be an issue when players are asked to carry heavier loads. Detroit might be up and coming but they got a way to go. Thunder interested in OG? Did not see that but they can sign him and make trades I suppose. Can we sign OG then trade him to Miami for Jimmy? At 35 Im not on board with that

I think you have to take the risk of letting him play the market. The bids out the from good teams are Philly and OKC. OKC has to make a decision with Giddey, but if they move Giddey would that make a spot viable for OG?

Philly could make a lot of sense, but they seem to be focused on a 3rd scorer. Maybe they make a run on PG or Butler. Maybe they make a run on Miles Bridges. If I was Philly I'd be going all out to add OG to Maxey and Embiid because that to me was the piece that tipped the scales to the Knicks.

Still I think 35-40mm is where realistically he should be. I think if Indy let Siakam make the market, he's probably not clearing 40. Would Detroit have shown him the bag to play there and be the star next to Cade? I dunno.

Nalod wrote:Windy and WoJ are as credible as they come but not perfect.
Siakim gets that max, these are strange times and big money.
Jaylen Brown will make 57mil next year. Luka might make 80mil in a season. its crazy.
Knick players make concessions to also be in a position to make a bigger pay day if they succeed. JB and Randle are coming up.
We put OG in a position in half a season that he showed up just how important he is.
Randle at 29 is not a two time All NBA player and looking at his last big payday. OG and JB are a few years younger and have a different timeline.
I won't project I know what they want.
Easy to guess they want financial compensation, stability, individual success, and team success. Location might matter when enough things are equal. Logic dictates OG and Knicks had an "understanding" prior to the trade.

OG would be a great fit in Philly. If they don't spend enough for depth injuries could add up and we see how that can be an issue when players are asked to carry heavier loads. Detroit might be up and coming but they got a way to go. Thunder interested in OG? Did not see that but they can sign him and make trades I suppose. Can we sign OG then trade him to Miami for Jimmy? At 35 Im not on board with that

I think you mean 1a) Woj and 1b) Shams. My opinion is that Windy is to Lebron what Berman was to Marbury. To the extent Lebron has better intel than the average human being, Windy has access to that. To the extent that Marbury eats vaseline, Berman knew that and got in the truck. I don't think it goes further than that-- specifically as it relates to the Knicks. Maybe he has info on the Cavs or Lakers. But go back and look at anything Windy said about the Knicks. There's nothing there. Its all speculative. Giannis to Knicks. PG to Knicks. Whale to Knicks. Click bait/Common sense. Yes, we would be open to a trade for Giannis. Yes PG matches the Knicks mindset and is a CAA client. Possible? Without getting too deep into it, highly unlikely that both teams have the cap flexibility to pull anything off. Which makes the PG rumor bullshit and raises questions about everything else that came before it.

If you listen to that KFS Cap or no Cap they wind up spending a ton of time talking about the Knicks potentially making a move for Isaac Okoro for a mid-level or S&T. Intellectually it makes sense as he's a wing defender who can approximate the role of OG when OG is out. Okoro also shot well from 3 last year and on catch and shoots from the Corner. This is all well and good, but I just think he sucks. When you don't put a defender on him when it matters he can't knock down shots.

Now one player they kind of skip over, but I think makes sense for the 8-12 min backup role behind Brunson is Cam Payne. He can run an offense and he can knock down a 3 despite his weird lefty shot. He is a pest and probably makes sense for a small role.

VDesai wrote:If you listen to that KFS Cap or no Cap they wind up spending a ton of time talking about the Knicks potentially making a move for Isaac Okoro for a mid-level or S&T. Intellectually it makes sense as he's a wing defender who can approximate the role of OG when OG is out. Okoro also shot well from 3 last year and on catch and shoots from the Corner. This is all well and good, but I just think he sucks. When you don't put a defender on him when it matters he can't knock down shots.

Now one player they kind of skip over, but I think makes sense for the 8-12 min backup role behind Brunson is Cam Payne. He can run an offense and he can knock down a 3 despite his weird lefty shot. He is a pest and probably makes sense for a small role.

What I like about Cam is that he really plays with joy. Its clear he loves the game. I really only watched him close in the Sizer series and I saw his 3 more than his assists. But that makes sense to me.

Okoro is interesting. Early on, I thought we was a Butler type. Same with Justise Winslow. Just didn't pan out.

VDesai wrote:If you listen to that KFS Cap or no Cap they wind up spending a ton of time talking about the Knicks potentially making a move for Isaac Okoro for a mid-level or S&T. Intellectually it makes sense as he's a wing defender who can approximate the role of OG when OG is out. Okoro also shot well from 3 last year and on catch and shoots from the Corner. This is all well and good, but I just think he sucks. When you don't put a defender on him when it matters he can't knock down shots.

Now one player they kind of skip over, but I think makes sense for the 8-12 min backup role behind Brunson is Cam Payne. He can run an offense and he can knock down a 3 despite his weird lefty shot. He is a pest and probably makes sense for a small role.

nice, glad to see he's on our radar. I like him and Royce O'neal as MLE options.

Okoru does kind of suck, especially in big games, but he can help during the season, plays a ton of games, and maybe has some upside.

I was thinking Kevin Looney might be a good replacement if I had to gets offered the bag, but it also got me thinking that why wouldn't another team just try for Looney rather than iHeart.

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:If you listen to that KFS Cap or no Cap they wind up spending a ton of time talking about the Knicks potentially making a move for Isaac Okoro for a mid-level or S&T. Intellectually it makes sense as he's a wing defender who can approximate the role of OG when OG is out. Okoro also shot well from 3 last year and on catch and shoots from the Corner. This is all well and good, but I just think he sucks. When you don't put a defender on him when it matters he can't knock down shots.

Now one player they kind of skip over, but I think makes sense for the 8-12 min backup role behind Brunson is Cam Payne. He can run an offense and he can knock down a 3 despite his weird lefty shot. He is a pest and probably makes sense for a small role.

nice, glad to see he's on our radar. I like him and Royce O'neal as MLE options.

Okoru does kind of suck, especially in big games, but he can help during the season, plays a ton of games, and maybe has some upside.

Okoro is 23 - about 7 months younger than RJ!

gradyandrew wrote:I was thinking Kevin Looney might be a good replacement if I had to gets offered the bag, but it also got me thinking that why wouldn't another team just try for Looney rather than iHeart.

I have Goga Bitadze as a potential backup C.

Zach Edey is also growing on me.

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:If you listen to that KFS Cap or no Cap they wind up spending a ton of time talking about the Knicks potentially making a move for Isaac Okoro for a mid-level or S&T. Intellectually it makes sense as he's a wing defender who can approximate the role of OG when OG is out. Okoro also shot well from 3 last year and on catch and shoots from the Corner. This is all well and good, but I just think he sucks. When you don't put a defender on him when it matters he can't knock down shots.

Now one player they kind of skip over, but I think makes sense for the 8-12 min backup role behind Brunson is Cam Payne. He can run an offense and he can knock down a 3 despite his weird lefty shot. He is a pest and probably makes sense for a small role.

nice, glad to see he's on our radar. I like him and Royce O'neal as MLE options.

Okoru does kind of suck, especially in big games, but he can help during the season, plays a ton of games, and maybe has some upside.

He's a good guy to be OG insurance. When OG is healthy that guy might not even play. When OG is hurt he probably gets thrust into a sizable role. Hard to find guys who fit that scenario where you don't have to play them every night but they can do a good job being OG-lite when they do play for stretches. Okoro makes sense. I think rookies also make sense for that role.

I'm not worried at all about OG leaving. We might have to bring out the brinks truck but that is what it is. I think that story probably got planted as Leon and his Son laugh at the reactions. Knicks seem to backchannel all of their big decisions and this is akin to hiring Brunson's dad so they could get a leg up on that situation. That is the main reason OG hired Leon's son.