Knicks · OT: From Soup to Nuts - All Things WNBA (page 13)

Clean @ 10/25/2024 11:45 AM

I love how petty he is . He took a lot of crap but was right about this topic from day one. Now he is going to throw it in everyones face every chance he gets.
Nalod @ 10/25/2024 12:38 PM
Sas is of course extreme. should we consider perhaps the fact that Swoops and others were so adamant it might have created more buzz and curiosity to tune in and see for ones self? Maybe? That there was maybe racial element created more interest?
Now, Perhaps I heard more "She has to prove herself before accolades are given" might have been more prevalent?
That Clark took a beating created more hype? Maybe?
That she kept quiet while others kept yapping fueled more controversy?
Angel Reese did prove she could play, but not to that level. She is very much about branding and exposure so her getting sound bites do make her more money. Even if she going on about how her salary don't cover the rent. We got us a regular Bird/Magic type rivalry?

That they players only get 10% is due to a lot of factors and as I said is this opt out window about this year but not available next?
WNBA is not making money and paying the players more will not help that. I get it. I'd like to see where the more they do and costs are fixed, and more ad revenue flows in, they it should be a sliding scale. More revenue, the larger the cut for the players. Teams have to make money. Its not greed, its business sense. That the top salary is only 75k for the season, even if its just 32 games is silly.

Clean @ 10/27/2024 11:26 AM

Fever new president Kelly Krauskopf has been on fire. This was the last straw to clear out the bad front office the Fever have had for years. This also means they have a new good coach lined up already. A WNBA insider said they were talking to Stephanie White while Sides was under contract. SO this probably means they signed her as the new coach. Kelly also fired the trash GM who made countless mistakes. Kelly has a history with the Fever but joined the Pacers front office. She helped build that team around Hali. Now she is back to maximize the team around Caitlin.
Nalod @ 10/28/2024 7:42 AM
Clean wrote:
Fever new president Kelly Krauskopf has been on fire. This was the last straw to clear out the bad front office the Fever have had for years. This also means they have a new good coach lined up already. A WNBA insider said they were talking to Stephanie White while Sides was under contract. SO this probably means they signed her as the new coach. Kelly also fired the trash GM who made countless mistakes. Kelly has a history with the Fever but joined the Pacers front office. She helped build that team around Hali. Now she is back to maximize the team around Caitlin.

Not like getting the no. 1 pick in Clark helped all look better! LOL....
I get FO wants their people in place they trust. Leon fired Horney mostly because he wanted his guy Thibs.
Sides seemed to do a good job but we don't really know why she was replaced. sometimes you want who you want!

Clean @ 10/28/2024 10:13 AM
Nalod wrote:
Clean wrote:
Fever new president Kelly Krauskopf has been on fire. This was the last straw to clear out the bad front office the Fever have had for years. This also means they have a new good coach lined up already. A WNBA insider said they were talking to Stephanie White while Sides was under contract. SO this probably means they signed her as the new coach. Kelly also fired the trash GM who made countless mistakes. Kelly has a history with the Fever but joined the Pacers front office. She helped build that team around Hali. Now she is back to maximize the team around Caitlin.

Not like getting the no. 1 pick in Clark helped all look better! LOL....
I get FO wants their people in place they trust. Leon fired Horney mostly because he wanted his guy Thibs.
Sides seemed to do a good job but we don't really know why she was replaced. sometimes you want who you want!

I know exactly why she was replaced. She was not very good.

Here are some of the reasons they fired her. She has no out of bounds plays to get Caitlin open. That is why all season she only used Caitlin as a decoy. She does not know how to stop the other team momentum with timeouts. She never gave the bench a chance until she was forced to. Celeste was never given a chance then was released and ended up contributing for the Mecury. She started Wallace for too long. A good portion of the missed open layups were from Wallace. Then she started Katie Lou who is a shooter that can no longer shoot. She is slow and unathletic and one of the worst defenders in the league.

She had Lexie on the bench for half the season and she ended up being out 4th best player. Lexie only got a chance because Katie Lou got sick. Grace is another player who never got a chance and she is killing people overseas right now.

At the start of the year Sides wanted to focus on Mid Range shots. Then she wanted Caitlin to be a spacer and stuck her in the corner for a few games. She literally stuck the best passer in the WNBA in the corner for multple games. Sides then forced the team to play slow and go through Aliyah Boston. She wanted what she called "paint touches". All these tactics fail to utilize the generational rookie you just drafted. The team only improved when she gave over the team to Caitlin when everything the coach wanted to do failed. Caitlin excels in a fast pace style and Kelsey Mitchell is one of the fastest guards in the league. Playing fast also means they scored before the defense set since Sides have poor half court plays.

I have not even touched the off court stuff. Sides on multple occasions threw Caitlin under the bus and spoke about having to "break her bad habits". She talked to the media about private conversations. After getting snubbed from Team USA she texted Sides that they "Woke a monster". When talking to the media Caitlin gave the perfect Jalen Brunson like answer only for Sides to reveal her texts right after.

When talking about the Fever improving we have to remember the phrase "correlation does not imply causation". We improved because of Caitlin, AB, Kelsey and Lexie. This was mostly the same team and coaching staff that last year got the first pick. What Sides did extremely well was keep an amazing locker room culture even with all the BS going on in the league. I will give her all the credit in the world for that.

You can look at the body language and see they did not care for her as a coach.

Clean @ 10/28/2024 3:07 PM

Everything is falling into place just as the insiders said.
Rookie @ 10/28/2024 3:37 PM
Clean wrote:
Everything is falling into place just as the insiders said.

Wow, why was White fired?

Clean @ 10/28/2024 4:32 PM
Rookie wrote:
Clean wrote:
Everything is falling into place just as the insiders said.

Wow, why was White fired?

There has been behind the scenes negotiations going on between White, the Sky and the Fever. The Sun are going to have big changes come FA time. Most of their core players are all free agents. The Sun owners are also very cheap so chances are they might end up rebuilding. WHite has a lot of ties in Indiana and probably don't want to rebuild. She also said she had family issues and she has family in Indiana. However, I think that was just giving her an excuse to want to leave the Sun before they start the rebuild. That last part is pure speculation on my part.

Once you seen the Fever fire Sides that mean the deal with White was essentually done. The reason why Sides did not get fired as early as the other coaches is because they would not have fired her unless they got a clear upgrade. Once White was secured behind the scenes they fired Sides.

Clean @ 10/28/2024 4:49 PM

Sometimes random twitter users really do have inside sources. This one broke this news a long time before the recent insider with more credability did. It took some time to play out so people were trashing her but she was right all along.
martin @ 10/28/2024 4:57 PM
Wow

Clean @ 10/28/2024 6:33 PM
Clean @ 10/30/2024 3:08 PM

One thing about Caitlin is she can't hide her body language. You will know how she feels about you if you pay attention.
Clean @ 11/1/2024 1:47 PM

As expected. One interesting thing is no player said anything about the fired coach but all of them are praising the hire. The players just did not like Sides.

Clean @ 11/2/2024 5:03 AM

This was a media member who was trying to gaslight us into thinking the foul on CC was a basketball play but once it happens to Tatum her real thoughts come out. WNBA media will tell you there was no bias against Caitlin but her fans will always remember. It is also proof at how harshly she was reffed. She only got like 2 calls out of like 20 on the season on landing space calls. The foul that she took was a normal foul while JT gets a F2. The blindside hit that started all the drama was not even called a F1. It got upgraded to one by the league after the game.

Rookie @ 11/2/2024 8:34 AM
Clean wrote:
Everything is falling into place just as the insiders said.

More proof you’re not allowed to be White and straight in the WNBA……ok, it would have been funny with the original thread title

Clean @ 11/3/2024 1:31 PM

Found the 4th quarter of one of the fun Fever vs Storm game. This was Lexies coming out part after the coach kept her on the bench most of the season. She hit like 6/7 3's then got in the rotation and ended up being our 4th best player. Lexie was so amazing I forgot Caitlin also had her normal masterclass this game. Hopefully I can find the Dallas games because those were the most fun of the season.
Clean @ 11/16/2024 7:34 PM
As more information comes out about how abusive WNBA teams are behind the scenes this person articulated my feelings on the WNBA better than I could have. In addition to the lawsuit due to how the team treated a pregnant player there is now another one about coaches being abusive to their players.

I just spent an entire WNBA season being gaslit by the entire league and its press that the biggest problem with the league was me

I'm racist, I'm sexist, I don't know basketball, I'm toxic, I'm not like them, how dare I consume their product, and don't even think about calling them out on their bullshit because if I do I'll hurt their precious fee fees

Also Caitlin doesn't deserve to be on the Olympic team, Caitlin wouldn't be an All Star if not for fan voting, we can't acknowledge that Caitlin is having one of the best rookie seasons in history, we can't talk about Caitlin without talking about the other rookies, people don't watch just for Caitlin, they also watch for me, it's all me, look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You've got the Player's Association releasing whole ass press releases because one of the most respected sports reporters in history asked one single solitary question that may have been a bit off

Meanwhile AT THE EXACT SAME TIME behind closed doors they are bullying people out of the league for being white or straight, or for being pregnant, or for literally no reason at all, you have coaches abusing their players, you have pending lawsuits, you have teams shutting their own PA President out of team meetings because she's a snitch, and you've got legacy reporters running interference for all of it while writing whole articles talking about how Fever games are like maga rallies and how ominous they are and how they thought we might riot win or lose

But you're right

The problem is me

F all the way off

Y'all waged a goddamn peer pressure campaign for weeks trying to get CC to denounce racism in her fan base and when she finally did you wrote think pieces about how it wasn't good enough

Y'all were ready to man the barricades to defend DJC against the big bad Christine Brennan

But when actual real people are being hurt

Y'all ain't got shit to say because it involves your precious Noey and Becky

I fing see you

martin @ 11/17/2024 12:41 AM
^ wow
Rookie @ 11/17/2024 11:34 AM
Clean wrote:As more information comes out about how abusive WNBA teams are behind the scenes this person articulated my feelings on the WNBA better than I could have. In addition to the lawsuit due to how the team treated a pregnant player there is now another one about coaches being abusive to their players.

I just spent an entire WNBA season being gaslit by the entire league and its press that the biggest problem with the league was me

I'm racist, I'm sexist, I don't know basketball, I'm toxic, I'm not like them, how dare I consume their product, and don't even think about calling them out on their bullshit because if I do I'll hurt their precious fee fees

Also Caitlin doesn't deserve to be on the Olympic team, Caitlin wouldn't be an All Star if not for fan voting, we can't acknowledge that Caitlin is having one of the best rookie seasons in history, we can't talk about Caitlin without talking about the other rookies, people don't watch just for Caitlin, they also watch for me, it's all me, look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You've got the Player's Association releasing whole ass press releases because one of the most respected sports reporters in history asked one single solitary question that may have been a bit off

Meanwhile AT THE EXACT SAME TIME behind closed doors they are bullying people out of the league for being white or straight, or for being pregnant, or for literally no reason at all, you have coaches abusing their players, you have pending lawsuits, you have teams shutting their own PA President out of team meetings because she's a snitch, and you've got legacy reporters running interference for all of it while writing whole articles talking about how Fever games are like maga rallies and how ominous they are and how they thought we might riot win or lose

But you're right

The problem is me

F all the way off

Y'all waged a goddamn peer pressure campaign for weeks trying to get CC to denounce racism in her fan base and when she finally did you wrote think pieces about how it wasn't good enough

Y'all were ready to man the barricades to defend DJC against the big bad Christine Brennan

But when actual real people are being hurt

Y'all ain't got shit to say because it involves your precious Noey and Becky

I fing see you

Lol, it sounds like the NBA without the guardrails. The WNBA is still in its infancy there's bound to be conduct they need to weed out over time. Problem is, the bad conductors are in the majority. The original title of this thread was that you aren't allowed to be great at basketball, white and straight in the WNBA until you wanted it changed. Now here we are back at the beginning.

It took me a minute to figure out CC wasn't Caitlin Clark, its the WNBA problem child Chennedy Carter

Nalod @ 11/17/2024 2:42 PM
League been operating 27 years. Still in its infancy?
But we talking a league that let Isiah Thomas be president of Liberty AFTER he was found liable for sexual harassment.
Its a complex set of issues that revolve around WNBA>. You have a large contingent of gay women and we marketing the game to the all of America including little girls.
Ugly the way some did not rally around Brittney Grenier when she was incarcerated by Russia over a Vape Pen!

As for Ms. Caitlen Clark I was super impressed with how she handled all of this in her rookie season. She delivered on the court but also took a beating and let her game speak loud. Because thats all that really mattered. The jealousy of her being a WHITE GIRL with hype looked bad on those who despensed it. I have no problem with Angle Reese but her words rang out louder than her game. She profits from the attention.

Clark bought a lot of interest and I for one enjoyed the playoffs. Despite being a star I never saw Aja Wilson or Naphessa Collier play prior. Is it fair that it took a pale white girl to direct many to the game? Perhaps on some scale the answer would be "no". But there will be a star out of college who will rise above others and if she is black then it will be that.
We can think Clark though for introducing us to superstar Wilson, the lovely and talented Ms. Collier, and the legs of Lexi Hull!

Clean @ 11/17/2024 2:50 PM
Rookie wrote:
Clean wrote:As more information comes out about how abusive WNBA teams are behind the scenes this person articulated my feelings on the WNBA better than I could have. In addition to the lawsuit due to how the team treated a pregnant player there is now another one about coaches being abusive to their players.

I just spent an entire WNBA season being gaslit by the entire league and its press that the biggest problem with the league was me

I'm racist, I'm sexist, I don't know basketball, I'm toxic, I'm not like them, how dare I consume their product, and don't even think about calling them out on their bullshit because if I do I'll hurt their precious fee fees

Also Caitlin doesn't deserve to be on the Olympic team, Caitlin wouldn't be an All Star if not for fan voting, we can't acknowledge that Caitlin is having one of the best rookie seasons in history, we can't talk about Caitlin without talking about the other rookies, people don't watch just for Caitlin, they also watch for me, it's all me, look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You've got the Player's Association releasing whole ass press releases because one of the most respected sports reporters in history asked one single solitary question that may have been a bit off

Meanwhile AT THE EXACT SAME TIME behind closed doors they are bullying people out of the league for being white or straight, or for being pregnant, or for literally no reason at all, you have coaches abusing their players, you have pending lawsuits, you have teams shutting their own PA President out of team meetings because she's a snitch, and you've got legacy reporters running interference for all of it while writing whole articles talking about how Fever games are like maga rallies and how ominous they are and how they thought we might riot win or lose

But you're right

The problem is me

F all the way off

Y'all waged a goddamn peer pressure campaign for weeks trying to get CC to denounce racism in her fan base and when she finally did you wrote think pieces about how it wasn't good enough

Y'all were ready to man the barricades to defend DJC against the big bad Christine Brennan

But when actual real people are being hurt

Y'all ain't got shit to say because it involves your precious Noey and Becky

I fing see you

Lol, it sounds like the NBA without the guardrails. The WNBA is still in its infancy there's bound to be conduct they need to weed out over time. Problem is, the bad conductors are in the majority. The original title of this thread was that you aren't allowed to be great at basketball, white and straight in the WNBA until you wanted it changed. Now here we are back at the beginning.

It took me a minute to figure out CC wasn't Caitlin Clark, its the WNBA problem child Chennedy Carter

CC is for Caitlin. There was this coordinated effort to link Caitlin with racist trolls online. Most WNBA player are not used to being famous so they are chronically online unlike other famous athletes. Once they troll figured this out they started trolling WNBA players and the idiots don't know to never engage with trolls because that is exactly what they want.

Long story short trolls beeen trolling hard. WNBA players constantly fed the trolls by replying and retweeting. They all then blame Caitlin fans for being racist and then blame her for not speaking out on it. Mind you she has done it multple times already but they ignore that.

1st time -

2nd Time -

3rd - Time

By the 3rd time she understood what was going on. That is why she made sure to put it was trolls and not fans. The WNBA Players all at the same time started to link her name with racism right after she was eliminated from the playoffs. It was obviously coordinated smear campaign against her and her fans. We did not know it until now but the WNBA old guard does not like all the attention they are now getting because more and more stories like these about abuse are poping up and not being ignored like they used to.

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