Knicks · Just bring back Achiuwa (7/30 update: he is back) (page 3)

jaydh @ 7/7/2024 6:32 AM
PassTheBall wrote:What could be taking so long?

Does signing Precious affect what they can offer another player atm? If so, that would be my guess.

Knixkik @ 7/7/2024 7:40 AM
jaydh wrote:
PassTheBall wrote:What could be taking so long?

Does signing Precious affect what they can offer another player atm? If so, that would be my guess.

Not really. Since they have his bird rights and aren’t hard capped at the first apron there isn’t really an impact on signing him and signing another player for the taxpayer MLE for example. Knicks can sign him to a reasonable contract and also sign someone like Paul Reed for 5.2M.

martin @ 7/7/2024 11:45 AM
Rookie @ 7/7/2024 11:56 AM
Gotta wonder if the Knicks are still in on talks with Utah about Kessler. Ainge should be in no rush to deal until he gets his price.
martin @ 7/7/2024 12:01 PM
Rookie wrote:Gotta wonder if the Knicks are still in on talks with Utah about Kessler. Ainge should be in no rush to deal until he gets his price.

I don’t remember the exact details but Ainge has to wait until Aug 9 on any extension of Lauri and that has his salary cap on hold. That may restrain him from making bigger trades and ultra flexibility in moving other pieces, ie Kessler.

Philc1 @ 7/9/2024 6:10 PM
Pistons just claimed Reed off waivers
Rookie @ 7/9/2024 6:17 PM
Philc1 wrote:Pistons just claimed Reed off waivers

How does that work?

Philc1 @ 7/9/2024 9:04 PM
Get me some Boban
VDesai @ 7/9/2024 11:03 PM
Reed was waived so he had to pass through 30 teams. Pistons were obviously high on the priority list and could absorb his contract. Unfortunately needed to clear waivers to hit free agency.
VDesai @ 7/17/2024 4:08 PM
Every day that we don't sign Precious it definitely makes me a bit nervous
ESOMKnicks @ 7/17/2024 4:20 PM
Precious is not enough! Precious is not enough! Precious is not enough! Precious is not enough! Precious is not enough! Precious is not enough!

Where muh pills at?

franco12 @ 7/17/2024 4:26 PM
VDesai wrote:Every day that we don't sign Precious it definitely makes me a bit nervous

No one else has signed him. Why? Maybe there is an agreement in place- that we will sign Precious - we have the dollar $ - he and his agent know it- and they are waiting for the next to make an additional move?

There are two facts - he hasn’t signed anywhere and we haven’t signed him.

He played, I thought, exceedingly well for us.

Other teams should be able to see that. If Hartenstein got that kind of offer, why nothing similar ($5-8m per) for Precious?

ToddTT @ 7/17/2024 4:35 PM
KFS podcast was talking about how a potential sign and trade might be the reason. I think it might give us more flexibility, and might give Precious an opportunity to max out his earnings. That said, we might just eventually sign and keep him.

If we keep him, he's a nice player. And he'll make a smaller payday, but probably be thrilled to remain in NY. Just my opinion.

VDesai @ 7/17/2024 5:45 PM
One would think that he is worth the taxpayer MLE level contract and has probably been offered that, so Knicks must have given him assurances of a deal that exceeds that, either by S&T or staying here.
Knixkik @ 7/17/2024 6:52 PM
Still say they bring back Achiuwa and give him a solid contract they can use in trade between Dec and Feb. A lot of center options to reassess then. I was thinking Valanciunas at that point once he’s eligible for trade. Steven Adams and Rob Williams are options too. If the Knicks want to add some center depth in addition to Achiuwa now, they can trade Sims or Bates-Diop along with a small draft asset to Portland for Duop Reath. I’m not sure if he’s better than Achiuwa, but I know he’s better than Sims and gives us an option to try out.
KnickDanger @ 7/17/2024 7:19 PM
Totally on the Precious train. If not then what was the point of the trade?
EwingsGlass @ 7/17/2024 7:25 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Totally on the Precious train. If not then what was the point of the trade?

Evil Donte 😈

BigDaddyG @ 7/17/2024 8:21 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Totally on the Precious train. If not then what was the point of the trade?

Evil Donte 😈

Unemployed Donte. I don't think anyone has signed him.

NYKBocker @ 7/18/2024 7:16 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Totally on the Precious train. If not then what was the point of the trade?
Evil Donte
Unemployed Donte. I don't think anyone has signed him.
OG?
GustavBahler @ 7/18/2024 10:20 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Totally on the Precious train. If not then what was the point of the trade?
Evil Donte
Unemployed Donte. I don't think anyone has signed him.
OG?

I remember Evil Donte playing well on his next team. Surprised he hasnt been picked up by a team, unless it was short lived.

martin @ 7/18/2024 11:41 AM
From Fred:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5645318...

Achiuwa update

Weeks into free agency, Achiuwa is lingering in the market. At this point, remaining unsigned could be to both his and the Knicks’ advantage.

The Knicks remain open to bringing back Achiuwa, who they acquired as part of the December trade that brought OG Anunoby to New York. And yet, for now, they are best leaving Achiuwa unsigned — and Achiuwa can maximize his market by waiting.

The NBA’s economy has changed under this new collective bargaining agreement. The middle class is getting hit. Zero free agents this summer have received the non-taxpayer midlevel exception for multiple seasons. De’Anthony Melton is the only person to receive it in full, but he got only one year with the Golden State Warriors. Others have had to take less. Many organizations haven’t used their midlevel, whether the non-taxpayer or the taxpayer, at all.

The non-taxpayer midlevel exception, which allows over-the-cap teams to sign players to contracts with a starting salary of up to $12.9 million, also can be used as a trade exception now, which gives front offices an excuse to hold onto it if they don’t love what they see. Solid role players are getting squeezed.

Tyus Jones, who is sneakily coming off his best-ever season with the Washington Wizards, remains unsigned. Caleb Martin reportedly turned down a five-year, $65 million extension to test free agency and received only half of that guaranteed money over four years. Gary Trent Jr., a consistent scorer and shooter, settled for a minimum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks earlier this week.

That brings us back to Achiuwa, and why he may still be around.

If the offers are not attractive, maybe at the minimum or barely above, Achiuwa could be best off waiting to see what the Knicks do. And the Knicks could benefit from patience, too.

Here’s why:

Beginning this season, trades are far more difficult to make, especially for a team like the Knicks, who are above the first apron, a payroll threshold that limits an organization’s resources if it crests over it. One of the most punitive first-apron restrictions? The Knicks are not allowed to take back more salary than they send out in a trade.

This is where hypothetical trades become even more confusing: No team above the first apron can realistically make a trade with another that also is above the first apron. Unless they are dealing one player for another who makes the same salary, all the way down to the cent, one team will be absorbing more dollars than the other.

The Knicks could still use a backup center. A trade could entice them, but they need the tools to make it happen. Achiuwa would come in handy if they’re negotiating with a team also above the first apron.

Let’s say the Knicks agree to a trade with Team A that would send (I’m making up numbers to keep the math simple) $10 million in salaries to Team A and $14 million in salary to the Knicks. That means New York is adding $4 million to the deal. Achiuwa could remedy that. All the Knicks and Team A have to do is find a third team, someone either with cap room or an exception to absorb the big man, then agree to a sign-and-trade with Achiuwa that pays him more than $4 million.

The final version of the trade would look like this:

The Knicks send out $10 million of salaries on the roster and, say, a $5 million salary for Achiuwa in a sign-and-trade deal. They bring back $14 million and thus are in the clear.

Team A sends out $14 million and takes back $10 million, which puts it in the clear, as well.

Team B, which must be below the first apron, receives Achiuwa in a sign-and-trade and possibly lands a draft pick as a thank-you for facilitating the deal.

It’s why both sides might as well wait. In the end, the Knicks can execute a trade they otherwise couldn’t and Achiuwa receives more than a minimum salary. If the Knicks can’t find a worthwhile deal, then bringing back Achiuwa, who performed well after joining the group this winter, remains on the table.

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