Knicks · Walker Kessler on Knicks radar (page 3)
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Kessler would be the perfect kind of fit here. Costs matter, but I would lock it up if we could. Out of young centers, I think only Alperun Sengun would possibly be a better fit. This squad would make Sengun look like Jokic.Feel like the Knicks will play the long game with Kessler, same as they did with OG and Mikal. He fits too well with what they do.
I tend to agree.
There is an obvious symmetry in the Knicks current starters, one that Randle almost signals he is not part of.
If you look at Brunson and Bridges, their shot charts are near mirrors of each other in their most efficient locations. Both very efficient from three at the top right and left and opposite corners with Brunson finishing his midrange at the top of the key and bridges at the hoops. [I am ignoring Bridges shot chart as lead Net, that’s not an accurate idea of what his role would be here]
If you look at DDV and OG, the same is also true. Both are strong from three from the top of the three, on opposite sides to the same corner.
It’s like these 4 were made to share the court in a motion offense. Randle’s passing as a big man is near elite. When he is a willing participant. I can imagine a world where these 5 share the court and OG defends the center.
A guy like Kessler would feast in a 4-1 motion with Brunson, DDV, Bridges and OG. Like insane synergy.
I’m not trying to implicate Randle, it’s just that his shot chart is a lot less efficient at times. And DDV had an insane year last year. If you go back to one of Randle’s more efficient years, (like I did with Bridges), it can work to.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Kessler would be the perfect kind of fit here. Costs matter, but I would lock it up if we could. Out of young centers, I think only Alperun Sengun would possibly be a better fit. This squad would make Sengun look like Jokic.Feel like the Knicks will play the long game with Kessler, same as they did with OG and Mikal. He fits too well with what they do.
I tend to agree.
There is an obvious symmetry in the Knicks current starters, one that Randle almost signals he is not part of.
If you look at Brunson and Bridges, their shot charts are near mirrors of each other in their most efficient locations. Both very efficient from three at the top right and left and opposite corners with Brunson finishing his midrange at the top of the key and bridges at the hoops. [I am ignoring Bridges shot chart as lead Net, that’s not an accurate idea of what his role would be here]
If you look at DDV and OG, the same is also true. Both are strong from three from the top of the three, on opposite sides to the same corner.
It’s like these 4 were made to share the court in a motion offense. Randle’s passing as a big man is near elite. When he is a willing participant. I can imagine a world where these 5 share the court and OG defends the center.
A guy like Kessler would feast in a 4-1 motion with Brunson, DDV, Bridges and OG. Like insane synergy.
I’m not trying to implicate Randle, it’s just that his shot chart is a lot less efficient at times. And DDV had an insane year last year. If you go back to one of Randle’s more efficient years, (like I did with Bridges), it can work to.
January looked pretty good too.
ToddTT wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Kessler would be the perfect kind of fit here. Costs matter, but I would lock it up if we could. Out of young centers, I think only Alperun Sengun would possibly be a better fit. This squad would make Sengun look like Jokic.Feel like the Knicks will play the long game with Kessler, same as they did with OG and Mikal. He fits too well with what they do.
I tend to agree.
There is an obvious symmetry in the Knicks current starters, one that Randle almost signals he is not part of.
If you look at Brunson and Bridges, their shot charts are near mirrors of each other in their most efficient locations. Both very efficient from three at the top right and left and opposite corners with Brunson finishing his midrange at the top of the key and bridges at the hoops. [I am ignoring Bridges shot chart as lead Net, that’s not an accurate idea of what his role would be here]
If you look at DDV and OG, the same is also true. Both are strong from three from the top of the three, on opposite sides to the same corner.
It’s like these 4 were made to share the court in a motion offense. Randle’s passing as a big man is near elite. When he is a willing participant. I can imagine a world where these 5 share the court and OG defends the center.
A guy like Kessler would feast in a 4-1 motion with Brunson, DDV, Bridges and OG. Like insane synergy.
I’m not trying to implicate Randle, it’s just that his shot chart is a lot less efficient at times. And DDV had an insane year last year. If you go back to one of Randle’s more efficient years, (like I did with Bridges), it can work to.
January looked pretty good too.
When are they raising the banner? Home opener?
KnickDanger wrote:ToddTT wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Kessler would be the perfect kind of fit here. Costs matter, but I would lock it up if we could. Out of young centers, I think only Alperun Sengun would possibly be a better fit. This squad would make Sengun look like Jokic.Feel like the Knicks will play the long game with Kessler, same as they did with OG and Mikal. He fits too well with what they do.
I tend to agree.
There is an obvious symmetry in the Knicks current starters, one that Randle almost signals he is not part of.
If you look at Brunson and Bridges, their shot charts are near mirrors of each other in their most efficient locations. Both very efficient from three at the top right and left and opposite corners with Brunson finishing his midrange at the top of the key and bridges at the hoops. [I am ignoring Bridges shot chart as lead Net, that’s not an accurate idea of what his role would be here]
If you look at DDV and OG, the same is also true. Both are strong from three from the top of the three, on opposite sides to the same corner.
It’s like these 4 were made to share the court in a motion offense. Randle’s passing as a big man is near elite. When he is a willing participant. I can imagine a world where these 5 share the court and OG defends the center.
A guy like Kessler would feast in a 4-1 motion with Brunson, DDV, Bridges and OG. Like insane synergy.
I’m not trying to implicate Randle, it’s just that his shot chart is a lot less efficient at times. And DDV had an insane year last year. If you go back to one of Randle’s more efficient years, (like I did with Bridges), it can work to.
January looked pretty good too.
When are they raising the banner? Home opener?
Each of the summer league games halftimes gets a month.
KnickDanger wrote:ToddTT wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Kessler would be the perfect kind of fit here. Costs matter, but I would lock it up if we could. Out of young centers, I think only Alperun Sengun would possibly be a better fit. This squad would make Sengun look like Jokic.Feel like the Knicks will play the long game with Kessler, same as they did with OG and Mikal. He fits too well with what they do.
I tend to agree.
There is an obvious symmetry in the Knicks current starters, one that Randle almost signals he is not part of.
If you look at Brunson and Bridges, their shot charts are near mirrors of each other in their most efficient locations. Both very efficient from three at the top right and left and opposite corners with Brunson finishing his midrange at the top of the key and bridges at the hoops. [I am ignoring Bridges shot chart as lead Net, that’s not an accurate idea of what his role would be here]
If you look at DDV and OG, the same is also true. Both are strong from three from the top of the three, on opposite sides to the same corner.
It’s like these 4 were made to share the court in a motion offense. Randle’s passing as a big man is near elite. When he is a willing participant. I can imagine a world where these 5 share the court and OG defends the center.
A guy like Kessler would feast in a 4-1 motion with Brunson, DDV, Bridges and OG. Like insane synergy.
I’m not trying to implicate Randle, it’s just that his shot chart is a lot less efficient at times. And DDV had an insane year last year. If you go back to one of Randle’s more efficient years, (like I did with Bridges), it can work to.
January looked pretty good too.
When are they raising the banner? Home opener?
Seasons die a thousand deaths. But if I am crafting players that use different portions of the court, these guys are well positioned to make the other team defend every inch of the court.
My only point was that Kessler would fit into a 4-1 offense really well at the pivot. And that the Knicks don’t really run a motion offense with Randle on the floor.
Rookie wrote:Can anyone access the Daily News article about how many picks we have left that can be traded this year?
Knicks draft capital FAQs: How many picks can New York trade this season?
Kristian Winfield July 5, 2024 at 2:24 p.m.
The Knicks included six first-round picks alongside Bojan Bogdanovic (and now Shake Milton) to land Mikal Bridges (and now Keita Bates-Diop) from the Nets.
The massive draft asset haul for the Nets begs one question at Madison Square Garden: Do the Knicks have any draft picks left to trade in a deal for a star?
The answer is yes, but it’s not many.
The Knicks traded their own first-round picks in 2025, 2027, 2029 and 2031 to facilitate the Bridges deal. They also traded the Milwaukee Bucks’ top-four protected first-round pick in 2025 (virtually guaranteed to convey given the Bucks’ status as championship contenders), as well as swap rights to their own first-round pick in 2028.
Which leaves the Knicks with the following picks in their draft asset treasure chest:
The Detroit Pistons top-13 protected pick in 2025, acquired as part of the Ousmane Dieng trade with the Oklahoma City Thunder in 2022. This pick becomes top-11 protected in 2026 and top-9 protected in 2027. If the pick doesn’t convey by 2027, it becomes a 2027 second-round pick.
The Washington Wizards’ top-10 protected pick in 2025, also acquired in the 2022 Dieng trade with Oklahoma City. This pick becomes top-eight protected in 2026. If the Wizards do not finish outside of the top-eight in the 2026 NBA Draft Lottery, this pick will instead convey as a pair of second-round picks in 2026 and 2027.
Their own first-round picks in 2026, 2030 and 2032
The least favorable of the Knicks’ own pick and Brooklyn’s pick in 2028.
That leaves six first-round picks left at the front office’s disposal.
Which of these picks can the Knicks include in a trade?
The NBA’s collective bargaining agreement’s features the Ted Stepien Rule, which mandates NBA teams select a player in the first round of a draft once every other year. This is why teams frequently trade picks in staggered draft classes.
The Knicks traded their 2027 first-round pick, but they own their first-round pick in 2026 and own two potential firsts via Washington and Detroit in 2025.
So the Knicks can trade those protected 2025 first-round picks from the Pistons and Wizards because they own a pick in 2026. As a note, teams cannot add further protections onto picks received in a deal (for example: the Pistons pick is top-13 protected in 2025. The Knicks cannot trade this pick to another team with protections from 13-20 added on top.)
So since New York traded its own picks in 2025, 2027, 2029 and 2031, the team cannot trade its picks in 2026, 2028, 2030 or 2032.
The Detroit pick is unlikely to convey until 2027, and the Washington pick could convey in 2025 but has a better chance to convey when its protections decrease to top-9 in 2026.
There’s also the new seven-year rule as part of the new collective bargaining agreement, and the Knicks are in play to be impacted by this rule should their payroll exceed the second apron in future seasons.
Any team that finishes the season above the second apron will have its first-round pick seven years later (in this case, 2032) frozen. If that team remains over the second apron for two of the following four seasons, that frozen first-round pick will then be moved to the end of the first round of the draft.
The Knicks can’t include the 2032 pick in a trade anyway because the Stepien Rule makes it ineligible for trade after they sent their 2031 pick to Brooklyn in the Bridges deal.
The Knicks are also hard-capped at the second apron this season after the trade with the Nets, but with extensions looming for Bridges, Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle, future draft picks could be in jeopardy because of this rule.
So the Knicks have two picks. Is that enough to land a star player?
It depends on which star player, as well as which player the Knicks are willing to give up in a deal for a star.
Recent history suggests four first-round picks is the starting point in negotiations for any superstar-level player. In fact, the Knicks gave up five firsts, a first swap and a second for Bridges, a talented player who has never made an All-Star team.
Here are other trades involving stars and draft capital in recent memory:
The New Orleans Pelicans traded two first-round picks, Larry Nance Jr. and Dyson Daniels to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray, a one-time NBA All-Star. The move was viewed as a steal for the Pelicans because the Hawks traded three first-round picks and a pick swap to acquire Murray from the San Antonio Spurs.
The Portland Trail Blazers traded two first-round picks (including the No. 14 overall pick in the June NBA Draft), two second-round picks and veteran guard Malcolm Brogdon to the Wizards for 23-year-old Deni Avdija, who was the ninth-overall pick in the 2020 NBA Draft
The Minnesota Timberwolves traded four first-round picks, a first-round pick swap, four role players and the No. 22 pick in the 2022 NBA Draft (Walker Kessler) to the Utah Jazz for perennial Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert
And the Phoenix Suns traded Bridges, Cam Johnson, four first-round picks and a first-round pick swap to acquire Kevin Durant from the Nets
The Knicks also traded the Nets back their own 2025 second-round pick and received a 2026 second-round pick as part of the Bridges deal. The Nets project to be one of, if not the worst team in basketball next season, which means that 2025 second-round pick could be No. 31 in the 2025 NBA Draft.
As far as second-round picks, here is what the Knicks owned prior to draft night:
Detroit’s top-55 protected 2025 pick (unlikely to convey)
Their own 2027 and 2031 second-round picks
The less favorable of the Suns’ and Indiana Pacers’ picks in 2028
The less favorable of the Pacers’ and Wizards’ picks in 2030
The Knicks also acquired five second-round picks as part of the deal sending the No. 26 overall pick in the 2024 NBA Draft to the Oklahoma City Thunder:
Most favorable of Boston and Memphis’ second-round picks in 2025
Golden State Warriors’ 2026 second-round pick
Minnesota Timberwolves’ 2027 pick
And both the second- and third-most favorable of Oklahoma City, Houston, Miami and Indiana in 2027
The Knicks, however, also traded second-round picks in 2027, 2029 and 2030 to the Trail Blazers for the 34th overall pick in the 2024 NBA Draft, which they used to select Tyler Kolek out of Marquette.
There are no rules on the number or cadence with which second-round picks can be moved, which makes them a valuable asset for a Knicks team short on tradable first-round draft assets should New York be in the market for another star.
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He turns 23 in a few weeks...If the Knicks consider him to be good enough to use right now with a ceiling yet to be reached, I don't see why we wouldn't give up a 1st Rnd pick for him, if possible.
Think of him as an NBA ready 1st Rnd pick.
I don't know enough about him or why the Jazz are looking to move him, but it appears to me he's the best option in terms of what he brings to the court right now, and he has potential to improve.
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Ainge being Ainge. Lets move our focus to other players. We can't trade our unprotected and Ainge does not value protected picks. We learned that during the Mitchell negotiations.
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Ainge being Ainge. Lets move our focus to other players. We can't trade our unprotected and Ainge does not value protected picks. We learned that during the Mitchell negotiations.
Yep, not holding my breath. Precious, come on back!
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Ainge being Ainge. Lets move our focus to other players. We can't trade our unprotected and Ainge does not value protected picks. We learned that during the Mitchell negotiations.
These guys are legit negotiating it through proxy lol
NY FO doesn't work this way
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Ainge being Ainge. Lets move our focus to other players. We can't trade our unprotected and Ainge does not value protected picks. We learned that during the Mitchell negotiations.These guys are legit negotiating it through proxy lol
NY FO doesn't work this way
Kessler is kind of perfect for us and questionable for any other team that doesn’t have our personnel and Thibs low-block mentality.
I didn’t see Kessler vs Edey, though it looks like Edey gobbled up all of Keyonte George’s missed shots. Walker had 5 blocks though.
Deuce is a really tough guy to lose because he's scratching the surface and his defense is so elite and he's a worker and is one the best contract in the league. I don't want to move the guy.
Kessler is worth more than a 1st round pick at this point, because of his elite shot blocking. He's also a great replacement for Mitch at some point and the Knicks will have flexibility if they decide to make a trade.
MS wrote:Do they trade McBride for him straight up and sign Lowry?Deuce is a really tough guy to lose because he's scratching the surface and his defense is so elite and he's a worker and is one the best contract in the league. I don't want to move the guy.
Kessler is worth more than a 1st round pick at this point, because of his elite shot blocking. He's also a great replacement for Mitch at some point and the Knicks will have flexibility if they decide to make a trade.
I don’t think I would. I’m at like 2 seconds and the rights to Sergio Llull. Guy has two years before RFA. I know we have positional need, but I think Deuce has the higher value contract. I think the price will drop on Kessler.
EwingsGlass wrote:MS wrote:Do they trade McBride for him straight up and sign Lowry?Deuce is a really tough guy to lose because he's scratching the surface and his defense is so elite and he's a worker and is one the best contract in the league. I don't want to move the guy.
Kessler is worth more than a 1st round pick at this point, because of his elite shot blocking. He's also a great replacement for Mitch at some point and the Knicks will have flexibility if they decide to make a trade.
I don’t think I would. I’m at like 2 seconds and the rights to Sergio Llull. Guy has two years before RFA. I know we have positional need, but I think Deuce has the higher value contract. I think the price will drop on Kessler.
I think this is where I am.
BUT Deuce is also the most redundant value piece on the Knicks.