martin wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:VDesai wrote:Sengun doesn't seem realistic. He is the best player the Rockets have so why would they be selling? Also under his current contract scale its almost impossible to put together a compelling trade package for him without all of our picks.
Of course it is
Rockets already have a young promising PF in J. Smith Jr. Why would they want to bring in Randle and stunt his growth?
And any conversation regarding KAT for Randle is laughable...and the fact that Martin thinks the Knicks were the ones that put this info out just to get a reaction from Randle is the most outrages thing posted in this thread.
I responded very directly to you. You read what you would like to read, not to really understand what is going on. You are reading what I posted incorrectly, twice.
I've never said it was to get a reaction from Randle as you are thinking or insinuating, like to get a reaction response from Randle. That's dumb thinking. They are assessing the market. Both for a center and to see where Randle is with his contract extensions. These are all intertwined.
Let me know what parts you don't understand. Swishfm3, these things are pretty straight forward when you read them correctly.
It is very well known and well documented that the Knicks FO have conversations with all teams about most of their players. They undoubtedly have talked about a KAT exchange or what Minny is looking for if they would ever move him. To NOT do so would be criminal.
You let me know why you as a FO type would not talk about a Randle for KAT exchange and I'll follow that up with how delinquent a GM thinker you are.
I am not correct a lot. Because I try a lot.
I am trying to put out ideas about how Leon and the FO is thinking without knowing what they are doing or why. Possibilities, that's all. Roadmaps into their thinking. When you can get behind a possibility, you need to explore it to see if it makes sense or not. And the "make sense" part is not for you, for the other person, which is Leon.
What is Leon thinking about and what does he think makes sense?
Nalod wrote:Reposting this here:
I threw this out there a long time ago not as a prediction but just a convo thing. There is a logic and Salary wise it sort of makes sense. I love Jules but we need a center. KAT can play center. Kat can play with Mitch. I think Minny saves money until Jules needs to be resigned, and Jules might be a better fit next to Rudy upfront.
Im not Brock Aller but There is a 20mm difference in salary which I don't understand how knicks get this done if its even a thing? Thats a big number and that contract KAT has is fucking massive! Given the way of salary in a few years it might not be so bad but even still, it taps out in 4 years at 61mm player option when he is 32. Jules is two time All NBA player now and if he has a really good season he will want big money also. Im not saying who has or will pay him.
Both are CAA. KAT from Jersey. Karl melts in the spotlight a bit and the lights are hot in MSG. But, the talent and type of talent is there and players can get mentally tougher with age. Its not like Jules is without his foibles either.
In my mind Bridges is a 3, not a two and OG as he thickens with age is a 4. Funny, OG is the evolution of Charles Oakley!
I can't speak for what Randle wants on or off the court as to the money or is he concerned about less touches with Mikal on the floor and thus his earning capacity diminished? At the same time signing a reasonable contract on a really good team can prolong ones career and be very enjoyable. Thats on him to decide. As the video says he has yet to sign an extension. I can't fathom the market for him. Same for KAT.
Easier trade? Rudy for Randle. Not by much, He makes 43mm vs KAT 49 this coming year. Randle and Mitch gets you there.
I would think there is not a lot of fans on the surface gonna like that idea. Despite him being French, isn't Rudy a Thibian kind of center? Stays pretty healthy? Minny slides KAT to the 5 with Mitch as back up. They are still have Naz Reid or him as a trade chip for picks or round out that roster. I think this makes Minny a better team. I think knicks are very complete starting 5 with Rudy, OG, Mikal, DDV and Brunson. We get thin after that. That gives me hesitancy but this is where "culture" starts to build out. This is how Miami has stayed compeetive coming up with inexpensive players and Boston won a chip this year.
I got one part correct. The rumors been there for a few years but it stuck in my mind the logic of it. Mitch there was obviously not logical but the money was. I spitballed Rudy but thats not how it went. No, I need saw DDV going, I rather Kat the Rudy for 100 reasons.
We just having convo.......
Nalod wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:martin wrote:My assumption is that the Knicks have convinced themselves that a lineup having a spacing center would be in line with or a positive net benefit across offense/rim protection that having a non elite rim protector who REALLY opens the court would be AOK with Knicks.Brunson, DDV, Mikal, OG, Sengun/KAT. Less bench
Or
Brunson Mikal, OG, Randle, low cost center. Stout bench
That's my baseline.
They also need to create a market for several players, thus the noise. I wouldn't also be surprised if this was to feel out what Randle wants and make decisions after that.
Are you implying that the Knicks org are putting these rumors out to gage how Randle would respond??
IMO...This rumor, from pundits, that Knicks want to mimic Boston's model is absurd considering that KP only played in like 5 playoff games.
He was pretty much a non-factor.
It was enough to win 63 games and a chip. I think the "Model" is the 5 and out were all players can shoot form the outside.
KP played a few playoff games and contributed. Horford was preserved enough to play. its a long season. They are champs.
Looks like Leon wanted KAT who is better than KP.
