Knicks · Knicks are center hunting... KAT, Kessler, Sengun, who else? Randle could be, of course, at the center of all of this (page 7)
Nalod@ 7/22/2024 11:21 AM
I saw Skap play one game in Greensboro at Hornets Gleague team. He was a large human. Can't say he impressed but did not look bad either. Robey started and he could not hit a shot. He playing pro in Germany now. Jake toppin dropped 32 pts that night and was all over it. WE all know there is a gap between the leagues so there is that. Toppin was popping from the outside and owned the rim when he went. So Skap looked good in Gleague which is also suspect.
We'll see how he gets to camp and if there is a path but I'd say at best guess he is 3rd string to start. Root for all our guys to succeed!
EwingsGlass@ 7/22/2024 2:27 PM
These KAT mock trades are funny. Some have us getting picks. Some have them getting picks. I don't think anyone knows how to value KAT or Randle.
I don't think I am trading Randle for less than JJJ. For me, that's about positional size. I'd roll JJJ into the C and run Brunson, DDV, Bridges, Anunoby and JJJ. Even then, not sure who gets the picks in that trade, but I think Randle might fit better next to Edey than JJJ. And that team could use his professionalism. We get younger albeit less offensively skilled and better defensively with better positional size for that salary.
VDesai@ 7/22/2024 3:50 PM
Nalod wrote:I saw Skap play one game in Greensboro at Hornets Gleague team. He was a large human. Can't say he impressed but did not look bad either. Robey started and he could not hit a shot. He playing pro in Germany now. Jake toppin dropped 32 pts that night and was all over it. WE all know there is a gap between the leagues so there is that. Toppin was popping from the outside and owned the rim when he went. So Skap looked good in Gleague which is also suspect.
We'll see how he gets to camp and if there is a path but I'd say at best guess he is 3rd string to start. Root for all our guys to succeed!
Toppin got hurt in game 2, but was looking pretty good. I think he is an NBA quality player (not necessarily rotation at this point), but he is a good athlete and active in a lot of facets of the game. Too bad he didn't get more run in the summer league, but he got should get an opportunity in the preseason. Either way he'll probably have a two way spot.
Seems like Skap and Hukporti have potential for 3rd string. Probably some time away from 2nd string. Sims probably not good enough to be 2nd string for a guy that gets hurt as much as Mitch. Precious probably the best option as he can play 2nd string/spot start against certain teams effectively as proven last year.
Nalod@ 7/22/2024 4:01 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:These KAT mock trades are funny. Some have us getting picks. Some have them getting picks. I don't think anyone knows how to value KAT or Randle.
I don't think I am trading Randle for less than JJJ. For me, that's about positional size. I'd roll JJJ into the C and run Brunson, DDV, Bridges, Anunoby and JJJ. Even then, not sure who gets the picks in that trade, but I think Randle might fit better next to Edey than JJJ. And that team could use his professionalism. We get younger albeit less offensively skilled and better defensively with better positional size for that salary.
Does JJJ injuries and games missed of concern? Got this bad "Yeah but" Antonio Mcdyess vibe with this guy. CAA, pops a coach, etc......All good but durabilty is not there.
EwingsGlass@ 7/22/2024 6:26 PM
Nalod wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:These KAT mock trades are funny. Some have us getting picks. Some have them getting picks. I don't think anyone knows how to value KAT or Randle.
I don't think I am trading Randle for less than JJJ. For me, that's about positional size. I'd roll JJJ into the C and run Brunson, DDV, Bridges, Anunoby and JJJ. Even then, not sure who gets the picks in that trade, but I think Randle might fit better next to Edey than JJJ. And that team could use his professionalism. We get younger albeit less offensively skilled and better defensively with better positional size for that salary.
Does JJJ injuries and games missed of concern? Got this bad "Yeah but" Antonio Mcdyess vibe with this guy. CAA, pops a coach, etc......All good but durabilty is not there.
Kind of but not really. Same issue with OG. You play with that intensity, you get hurt. I don't see any degenerative issues.
KEEPCAMBYNY@ 7/23/2024 1:51 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:
Is anyone here familiar with Jay Huff? I read somewhere that he was G league defensive player of the year a season or two ago. I think he is currently playing on Orlando’s g-league team. My question is why is he not on any team’s roster right now? Based on that video he looks perfect for us as a backup. However, I know these highlight clips can often be deceiving, he can’t possibly be as good as he looks in these clips, can he? What is the deal with this guy? He should be on our radar based on these clips.
Great video. Would be interested to hear the rest of his story.
Apparently he has been playing well for the Magic. The Magic have a bit of a jam in their front court so I don’t think they’ll be able to sign him.
NBA Summer League: Former Wahoo Jay Huff Putting on a Show for the Magic
The Orlando Magic are off to a strong 2-0 start to the 2024 NBA Summer League in Las Vegas and former Virginia big man Jay Huff is a big reason for their success. The seven-footer just wrapped up his third season in the professional ranks and he's looked the part so far in the Summer League, seeming like a man among boys on many occasions. Through two games, Huff is averaging 14.5 points, 6.0 rebounds, and one block per game and has delivered a collection of highlight-reel dunks.
In Orlando's opening 106-79 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Friday, Huff scored 16 points on 7/9 shooting and recorded six rebounds, two assists and a block. He was +20 in 23 minutes on the floor and threw down a few dunks, including this reverse jam down the lane.
In the Magic's second game against the New Orleans Pelicans on Sunday, Huff had 13 points on 5/11 shooting with a three-pointer, six rebounds, one assists, one steal, and one block. He did commit eight personal fouls (you get 10 before you foul out in Summer League games), but he was a staggering +22 in 25 minutes. The next best player in terms of +/- was +9.
The Pelicans led by 10 points at halftime and by seven at the end of the third quarter. It was Jay Huff who helped spark the comeback, scoring seven points and assisting on another basket in a fourth quarter in which he played all 10 minutes. The Magic won that fourth quarter 31-19 to earn a 91-86 victory.
Chandler@ 7/23/2024 7:38 AM
Not seeing Jjj as a chemistry fit. Worry about maturity as much as durability
Also og at 3 gives us great length and flexibility. He can play 4 but we’re giving away that advantage
Philc1@ 7/29/2024 12:52 AM
detnehoc wrote:I am aware of his reputation as a locker room cancer, but this team is not floundering and looking for leadership. That's what I meant by the need for him to buy into the culture. I would be most concerned about his lateral foot speed defending on the perimeter. I'd have him in for a look see.
Dwight’s rep is based mostly on his 2012 season with the lakers which was a tumultuous crapshow that got national attention. He didn’t get along with an aging Kobe. Howard was supposed to be the next great Lakers Center and he wasn’t that guy.
His last nba season was 2 years ago he averaged 6 and 6 in 16 minutes per game. We have history signing old Centers before in their late 30’s to give us Center depth. Herb, Rasheed Wallace, Camby, Kurt Thomas — those moves were all fairly effective
Nalod@ 7/29/2024 7:39 AM
Camby played 24 games age 39 his second stint, Rasheed 21, Kurt age 40, 17 games. Herb had a much longer run where in his 30's he had a longer 3 year stretch of limited play, but when he did he avg'd 11-13 min.
I think your a bit romanticized about 2013 but forget how those guys, and Kenyan Martin all really withered into retirement with Jason Kidd. Woodson as you know did a good job until and we kind of fell apart. Maybe if we looking at an "Old Savior" BroPez is our guy?
GustavBahler@ 7/30/2024 12:53 PM
Nalod wrote:Camby played 24 games age 39 his second stint, Rasheed 21, Kurt age 40, 17 games. Herb had a much longer run where in his 30's he had a longer 3 year stretch of limited play, but when he did he avg'd 11-13 min.
I think your a bit romanticized about 2013 but forget how those guys, and Kenyan Martin all really withered into retirement with Jason Kidd. Woodson as you know did a good job until and we kind of fell apart. Maybe if we looking at an "Old Savior" BroPez is our guy?
Yup, most of those old timers retired after that season. Most of the winning was done in the first half, before Father Time started kicking ass. Kidd went 0-for what in the playoffs?
Nalod@ 7/30/2024 1:18 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Camby played 24 games age 39 his second stint, Rasheed 21, Kurt age 40, 17 games. Herb had a much longer run where in his 30's he had a longer 3 year stretch of limited play, but when he did he avg'd 11-13 min.
I think your a bit romanticized about 2013 but forget how those guys, and Kenyan Martin all really withered into retirement with Jason Kidd. Woodson as you know did a good job until and we kind of fell apart. Maybe if we looking at an "Old Savior" BroPez is our guy?
Yup, most of those old timers retired after that season. Most of the winning was done in the first half, before Father Time started kicking ass. Kidd went 0-for what in the playoffs?
5 players retired from that team, Kmart, Camby, Rashweed, Thomas, and Kidd. The rookie? Pablo!! Melo tore it up the last month of the season and was incredible. By the playoffs, that team was cooked! 54 wins was great, but after the "buried" Boston they were fried by the time they got to Indy.
Philc1@ 8/3/2024 6:22 PM
Nalod wrote:Camby played 24 games age 39 his second stint, Rasheed 21, Kurt age 40, 17 games. Herb had a much longer run where in his 30's he had a longer 3 year stretch of limited play, but when he did he avg'd 11-13 min.
I think your a bit romanticized about 2013 but forget how those guys, and Kenyan Martin all really withered into retirement with Jason Kidd. Woodson as you know did a good job until and we kind of fell apart. Maybe if we looking at an "Old Savior" BroPez is our guy?
I forgot the part where I typed that Dwight Howard was going to start 82 games for us averaging 40 minutes per game and a triple double. Can you help me find it?
martin@ 8/4/2024 2:18 PM
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detnehoc wrote:I am aware of his reputation as a locker room cancer, but this team is not floundering and looking for leadership. That's what I meant by the need for him to buy into the culture. I would be most concerned about his lateral foot speed defending on the perimeter. I'd have him in for a look see.
Dwight’s rep is based mostly on his 2012 season with the lakers which was a tumultuous crapshow that got national attention. He didn’t get along with an aging Kobe. Howard was supposed to be the next great Lakers Center and he wasn’t that guy.
His last nba season was 2 years ago he averaged 6 and 6 in 16 minutes per game. We have history signing old Centers before in their late 30’s to give us Center depth. Herb, Rasheed Wallace, Camby, Kurt Thomas — those moves were all fairly effective
and I replied that it really was not all that effective. I backed up my reasoning. Thing is those old guys backed up Tyson in the one year he was an Allstar!!!! Thomas was a 4. We got third stringers. Knicks need a back up that might have to start if Mitch breaks. Your looking for Dwight to back up Mitch? If so, and Mitch is true to form he will miss 20 or more games? Your starting Dwight Howard? Your REASONSING IS BECAUSE ONCE UPON A TIME WE HAD SOME OLD DUDES THAT DID OK? Lazy correlation.
ToddTT@ 8/4/2024 3:04 PM
martin wrote:
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This is the most intelligent thing you’ve said all day!
Hey when you look into the abyss, it sometimes swallows you and that's what you are left with. I'm still trying to see where the bottom is at and who is gonna be there with me
Nalod@ 8/5/2024 2:20 PM
martin wrote:
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Did the post prior leave you at a "loss for words". Sometimes there are none.
It was Martin's "line in the sand"
martin@ 8/18/2024 12:31 PM
Well at least we still trying
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This is the most intelligent thing you’ve said all day!
I was obviously holding a space and bookmarking for the KAT trade. I told you all the Knicks were center hunting. OP:
martin wrote:My assumption is that the Knicks have convinced themselves that a lineup having a spacing center would be in line with or a positive net benefit across offense/rim protection that having a non elite rim protector who REALLY opens the court would be AOK with Knicks.
They also need to create a market for several players, thus the noise. I wouldn't also be surprised if this was to feel out what Randle wants and make decisions after that.
martin wrote:This is way too much of the Knicks beat chit-chatting about stuff. Leon and Knicks don't usually do this. Something is up.
These reporters don't usually have access like this
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VDesai wrote:Sengun doesn't seem realistic. He is the best player the Rockets have so why would they be selling? Also under his current contract scale its almost impossible to put together a compelling trade package for him without all of our picks.
Of course it is
Rockets already have a young promising PF in J. Smith Jr. Why would they want to bring in Randle and stunt his growth?
And any conversation regarding KAT for Randle is laughable...and the fact that Martin thinks the Knicks were the ones that put this info out just to get a reaction from Randle is the most outrages thing posted in this thread.
I responded very directly to you. You read what you would like to read, not to really understand what is going on. You are reading what I posted incorrectly, twice.
I've never said it was to get a reaction from Randle as you are thinking or insinuating, like to get a reaction response from Randle. That's dumb thinking. They are assessing the market. Both for a center and to see where Randle is with his contract extensions. These are all intertwined.
Let me know what parts you don't understand. Swishfm3, these things are pretty straight forward when you read them correctly.
It is very well known and well documented that the Knicks FO have conversations with all teams about most of their players. They undoubtedly have talked about a KAT exchange or what Minny is looking for if they would ever move him. To NOT do so would be criminal.
You let me know why you as a FO type would not talk about a Randle for KAT exchange and I'll follow that up with how delinquent a GM thinker you are.
I am not correct a lot. Because I try a lot.
I am trying to put out ideas about how Leon and the FO is thinking without knowing what they are doing or why. Possibilities, that's all. Roadmaps into their thinking. When you can get behind a possibility, you need to explore it to see if it makes sense or not. And the "make sense" part is not for you, for the other person, which is Leon.
What is Leon thinking about and what does he think makes sense?
