Knicks · Knicks are center hunting... KAT, Kessler, Sengun, who else? Randle could be, of course, at the center of all of this (page 4)
He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
fishmike wrote:Clean wrote:Towns no longer fits the teams needs. We need a playmaker if we are to trade Randle. Towns is not that. We can not go into the season with Brunson being the only major playmaker again. We saw how teams will overplay him to kill our offense once the playoffs starts.agree... it's even more balanced with the top shelf wings and makes it even easier for a guy like Mitch or whoever else we add to be a role player.IHart's passing only happened because he got Randle's touches when they run it through the high post. That was not happening this year with Jules back.
Jules is in a walk year at $30mm when kids who have never won a playoff game are getting $50mm a year. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Personally I am in favor of what it takes to keep Brunson/Bridges/OG/Randle together for the next 5 years cause I think they compete for a title and that's worth the apron taxes etc
I like both of these takes. Sengun fits better anyway. If we want 5 out great. But then we need a center who can shoot when essentially ignored. We don’t need KAT — too costly and potentially disruptive to chemistry
CleaverGreene wrote:Saw a bit of Kessler tonight...Had some decent numbers, but didn't do much scoring.He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
You mean the love affair that some Knick fans have with other teams over hyped up players is overdone? Can’t be?
There is a reason why the Tony Wroten thread is the longest in Uk history.
Speaking of, have you caught the Rolas thread?
I am still catching up on my summer reading myself. Only on chapter 7. Some great fiction.
Nalod wrote:Jabari Smith numbers went up offensively when Sengun sat the last 18 games. They won 9 in a row when that happened. They might have seen something. They really liked chemistry wise. Both are he and Sengun are 6-11.
They were locked to the play in then fell apart losing 5 in a row. Not sure what happened.
As good as Sengun is, maybe they don't see both him and Smith together and, perhaps they want to move up that time table a bit.
Both Players are 21-22. Super young. Sengun made a big leap this year. Is it sustainable? Do they want to pay up for both him and Smith in lock step? Sengun is better than thought so maybe they see this as a big plus and Jules can help the younger guys as well. They have Steven Adams on the payroll one more year. He Sat all last year.
If Smith is to be an great player, he'll still will be one. Sengun might not reach more with him and Smith together.
Outrageous? Randle is not 30, a two time All NBA player. Sengun is a rising promising player. You lose him then run off 9 in a row? Not like Rockets are not rich with picks. They are. And Sengun is Restricted Free agent after this upcoming season. Maybe they don't want to pay all the young guys. Maybe they regret brooks and opening up that money allows them other things. Jules is an all-star all NBA dude. 25-8. Don't grow on trees.
Clean, Your not crazy.
Im not about "Trading Randle" nor do I see any chemistry issues with him. IM not stock on the worst of him from the last few years. Im recognizing two things moving forward, that the deserves a raise and will want to be paid. Not that he being greedy or anti team. Im not worried about his injury. He has leverage at the moment and if traded bird rights which make it all easier for all. Thats one part. The other is our need for a top flight center and I perceive that OG is a 4 in the future or can be.
With this in mind Knicks should look at all this and see what can be done before you resign Randle. He will also come to the table with a number of what he wants. I can see a scenario where he'd rather do a trade and negotiate with team that is willing and able to meet his price. If Dillon Brooks is part of this I can see were he does not fit here or need to be moved to a third team.
KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:First off, this team needs DAWGS not KATs. No way would I trade Randle for him at all. Now doing a deal with Houston for Según is something that I would consider. He is like 23 and could widen our window for this group. Though I don’t think Houston would have any interest unless Pacome Dadiet becomes a stud, then maybe they might consider a Randle/Pac type of package. On another note, I have come to the conclusion that Jericho Sims is either not passionate about basketball or is just a lazy player because someone with his frame, athleticism, strength, and size should be like Dwight Howard Jr. Hopefully being on a stacked team like ours will raise his value up so we can upgrade that position. Finally, we need to bring Precious back! Dude lowkey saved our season last year, when Mitch, IHart, and OG were out, he was literally holding things down and keeping us afloat. I also like him against the more mobile/stretch 5 type of big men. If he could just work on hitting the open jumper(especially the corner three) it will definitely increase his demand in this league.
Agree with needing Dawgs.
Mentioned several times how KAT plays soft.
Would hate to see how Knick fans feel when he opts in for $61 million and no chip.
Agree Precious seems as the best option. Has proved he is okay with the limelight
Clean wrote:AM I crazy or did the Rockets not get better when Sgun was not playing at the end of the season. I don't watch them so I don't kno why but I would be asking myself why before I trade Randle for him. It is crazy how I was on the trade Randle in yuears past but now I am on the keep him side. He has flaws but people underrate him too much. He is a All-NBA/All-Star ever year he does not get injured. He is a playmaker that we need. He makes life 10 times easier for Brunson. Look at Brunson shooting percentages with Randle vs without.
Sengun is an offensive first Center who thrives with the ball in his hands and in the paint he has also improved his mid-range game. I don't think he is a stretch 5 at this point (from 3) nor do I believe his defense would be where Thibs would need it to be. Combined with Mitch, Sengun works for me. But as a replacement for Mitch - not sure how that works. With guys like Sengun and/or Kat, the Knicks offense would likely thrive to near the top of the league. However the defense would suffer even with Bridges and OG on the floor. Brunson is not a + Defender and now you would be adding a defensive liability in the paint as well. Your point regarding having another playmaker also hits home. Defenses will not be able to effectively double and wear down Brunson with a second playmaker on the floor. I'm sticking with Randle if I can. But it may be a numbers game for the Knicks Front office - coming down to the ability to extend Randle's based on his salary expectations.
CleaverGreene wrote:Saw a bit of Kessler tonight...Had some decent numbers, but didn't do much scoring.He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
Might see better play with the Knicks as opposed to mostly first and second year players. Conditioning might be an issue as well.
You might be right that Kessler isnt worth giving up too much, but waiting up until the first trade deadline might be a good idea for any team interested in him. Thibs might be able to coach him up, as others have mentioned.
GustavBahler wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Saw a bit of Kessler tonight...Had some decent numbers, but didn't do much scoring.He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
Might see better play with the Knicks as opposed to mostly first and second year players. Conditioning might be an issue as well.
You might be right that Kessler isnt worth giving up too much, but waiting up until the first trade deadline might be a good idea for any team interested in him. Thibs might be able to coach him up, as others have mentioned.
Yeah, I don’t think he’s to into playing meaningless games at this point in hi career
Rookie wrote:GustavBahler wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Saw a bit of Kessler tonight...Had some decent numbers, but didn't do much scoring.He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
Might see better play with the Knicks as opposed to mostly first and second year players. Conditioning might be an issue as well.
You might be right that Kessler isnt worth giving up too much, but waiting up until the first trade deadline might be a good idea for any team interested in him. Thibs might be able to coach him up, as others have mentioned.
Yeah, I don’t think he’s to into playing meaningless games at this point in hi career
It's definitely not a good look. Zero 3rd year players who are worth their salt play SL? Generally that holds.
DLeethal wrote:Boston pivoted slightly from their "dogs" like Marcus Smart and Robert Williams for a little bit more finesse and shooting while maintaining pure defense and did well for it. But like someone above said, the Knicks have a lot of really good players and they need to make some savvy cap maneuvers. Brunson looks like he will help them out by taking a massive payout but they simply can't afford to give Randle a megadeal IMO. Also, Hart and DDV are probably proven too good to barely crack 20mpg per night. Sliding OG to the 4, which he showed he can play just fine, might be the long term play either way. Finesse Centers CAN work when you have the right G/F defenders and rebounders, which we do. It would be an interesting pivot that would come with some risks but also high rewards and I simply trust this FO completely to get it right.
Great summary and I think the bolded is the key determination - after raw winning a championship - for the FO going forward.
How they finesse the playoffs players and their contacts. Randle, Brunson, Mitch, Deuce, remaining picks.
Knicks are really close. They know they can't fuck it up
DLeethal wrote:There is an element of safety of just resigning Precious and going into next season, almost guaranteed to be a team that pushes 55-60 wins. I'm fine going that route, or keeping our platoon intact and getting another big to roll with Mitch via small trade, but if FO makes a big swing I support that also, because I could see the vision for a scoring big like KAT or Senguin now that we can put Josh, Mikal, and OG on the court with them.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/exceptio...
And (I think) the Knicks can be super patient about the Precious signing. Only 2 teams have pure cap space left, Detroit and Utah. Bunch of teams with the non taxpayer MLE but then you get hard capped and that's precarious for teams; each team will have a different story there.
A lot of dudes can't do their extensions until August and that's holding up the rest of the league I think.
Alpha1971 wrote:Hey no one believes Simms is going to break out at center like Deuce did at guard last season ? Have to say very disappointed with CP dishing out the crap he did about Kat for clicks
Sims doesn’t have to break out like Deuce just be a solid defensive rim protector who can grab double digit boards if needed
GustavBahler wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Saw a bit of Kessler tonight...Had some decent numbers, but didn't do much scoring.He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
Might see better play with the Knicks as opposed to mostly first and second year players. Conditioning might be an issue as well.
You might be right that Kessler isnt worth giving up too much, but waiting up until the first trade deadline might be a good idea for any team interested in him. Thibs might be able to coach him up, as others have mentioned.
Fair enough...It was really the first time I ever watched him critically, and yeah, he's not playing with an A-list crew in SL.
Rookie wrote:GustavBahler wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Saw a bit of Kessler tonight...Had some decent numbers, but didn't do much scoring.He didn't jump out at me, and he's a 3rd year player out there. I saw him moved around rather easily at times and he looks like someone who will pick up a lot f fouls on D.
I did see some nice ball movement from him, though, which was nice to see. Seems unselfish. Also saw some quick hands on D a couple of times.
Maybe some of you know him better than me...I've rarely, if at all, seen him before, but I don;t see him being worthy of significant draft capital.
Might see better play with the Knicks as opposed to mostly first and second year players. Conditioning might be an issue as well.
You might be right that Kessler isnt worth giving up too much, but waiting up until the first trade deadline might be a good idea for any team interested in him. Thibs might be able to coach him up, as others have mentioned.
Yeah, I don’t think he’s to into playing meaningless games at this point in hi career
Though Ainge is probably not thrilled about his play if he's really thinking of asking for more than two #1 picks in a trade.
Low cost high upside potential.
Under Thibs Howard would have a specific role he could excel at.
If he is in shape and buys into the culture I think this would work.
Precious was fantastic when he was forced into a starting role last season.
I can't understand why he is still available.
detnehoc wrote:Saw a suggestion online that could be a solution. How about adding Dwight Howard and Precious.
Low cost high upside potential.
Under Thibs Howard would have a specific role he could excel at.
If he is in shape and buys into the culture I think this would work.
Precious was fantastic when he was forced into a starting role last season.
I can't understand why he is still available.
Dwight Howard is a not good locker room guy. Most teams are staying away because of it
martin wrote:detnehoc wrote:Saw a suggestion online that could be a solution. How about adding Dwight Howard and Precious.
Low cost high upside potential.
Under Thibs Howard would have a specific role he could excel at.
If he is in shape and buys into the culture I think this would work.
Precious was fantastic when he was forced into a starting role last season.
I can't understand why he is still available.Dwight Howard is a not good locker room guy. Most teams are staying away because of it
Plus he is old. We needs long term solutions.