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Alpha1971 wrote:Damn we passed on Dunn, hope Pacome makes Brock look brilliant. We have done good in drafts but picking Rokas over Herb Jones, and Obi over Haliburton are not forgotten. Come on Pacome next season. Hope Pacome dominates G league
All I know is that all the other French dudes in the draft have been playing really well in this ultimate challenge we call the preseason.
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martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Damn we passed on Dunn, hope Pacome makes Brock look brilliant. We have done good in drafts but picking Rokas over Herb Jones, and Obi over Haliburton are not forgotten. Come on Pacome next season. Hope Pacome dominates G leagueAll I know is that all the other French dudes in the draft have been playing really well in this ultimate challenge we call the preseason.
Pacome is a smart kid, very introspective and motivated based on what he has said during interviews I have seen. His English sounds flawless already at age 18 when he was drafted. I watched some scouting videos and he seems capable of having a lot of room to grow while having a high floor to be a 3 and D wing with potential to be a focal point on the offense as a ceiling. Good draft pick talent wise at his draft position. Team has a season or two to develop him like Deuce. Let's hope he can handle a season in the G league and then another year of partial time between the bench and the G league and the Obi treatment of Thibs screaming " Pacome " at every mistake. By season 3 we will see what he got for real. Unless of course he breaks through when the inevitable injuries occur to rotation members and hope he ball out in limited minutes
Aller is the finance guy?
Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Damn we passed on Dunn, hope Pacome makes Brock look brilliant. We have done good in drafts but picking Rokas over Herb Jones, and Obi over Haliburton are not forgotten. Come on Pacome next season. Hope Pacome dominates G leagueAll I know is that all the other French dudes in the draft have been playing really well in this ultimate challenge we call the preseason.
Pacome is a smart kid, very introspective and motivated based on what he has said during interviews I have seen. His English sounds flawless already at age 18 when he was drafted. I watched some scouting videos and he seems capable of having a lot of room to grow while having a high floor to be a 3 and D wing with potential to be a focal point on the offense as a ceiling. Good draft pick talent wise at his draft position. Team has a season or two to develop him like Deuce. Let's hope he can handle a season in the G league and then another year of partial time between the bench and the G league and the Obi treatment of Thibs screaming " Pacome " at every mistake. By season 3 we will see what he got for real. Unless of course he breaks through when the inevitable injuries occur to rotation members and hope he ball out in limited minutes
I have to tell you, I had the same takeaway after probably seeing the same videos as you. His size, mobility, lightening quick release, offensive ceiling with all the cutting and shooting potential... all of those things point to a T-Rex Durant-lite like prospect. And he won't be deficient on defense, maybe not stout but not bad either.
Dadiet gonna be a higher offensive ceiling Deuce type prospect but without the mad D.
Nalod wrote:
He shot the FT's incase he could come back to play. Cry me a river.
Your forgetting he was benched and was not cool with it given his ego.
I get it, big come down from a HOF track career.
But now he got validated with a contract bigger than GSW offered and a starting job, its about "Love".
It's not surprising that we view that sequence differently. Klay immediately went to the tunnel and the training room because he knew he had torn his Achilles. The rule is if the fouled player can't shoot, the other team gets to pick anyone on the other team, including the bench, to shoot those shots. Because it was the Finals, Klay gritted it out and came back. And yes, I was crying.
Klays issue is that he's always had to sacrifice for the team. He will likely end up top 5 on career 3 pointers list with a percentage much higher than anyone else not named Curry. Remember the whole number 76 jersey Steph had made for Klay when he didn't make the top 75 team?
You put "love" in quotes- salary, and not low balling dudes is how you show it. The Warriors showed Dray, Wiggins, and Poole more love. This despite Klay averaging exactly his career numbers last season.
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gradyandrew wrote:Nalod wrote:
He shot the FT's incase he could come back to play. Cry me a river.
Your forgetting he was benched and was not cool with it given his ego.
I get it, big come down from a HOF track career.
But now he got validated with a contract bigger than GSW offered and a starting job, its about "Love".It's not surprising that we view that sequence differently. Klay immediately went to the tunnel and the training room because he knew he had torn his Achilles. The rule is if the fouled player can't shoot, the other team gets to pick anyone on the other team, including the bench, to shoot those shots. Because it was the Finals, Klay gritted it out and came back. And yes, I was crying.
Klays issue is that he's always had to sacrifice for the team. He will likely end up top 5 on career 3 pointers list with a percentage much higher than anyone else not named Curry. Remember the whole number 76 jersey Steph had made for Klay when he didn't make the top 75 team?
You put "love" in quotes- salary, and not low balling dudes is how you show it. The Warriors showed Dray, Wiggins, and Poole more love. This despite Klay averaging exactly his career numbers last season.
Im only going off that he now is playing for love and was not. His words, not mine.
His demotion and reaction the last two years are documented.
Nalod wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Nalod wrote:
He shot the FT's incase he could come back to play. Cry me a river.
Your forgetting he was benched and was not cool with it given his ego.
I get it, big come down from a HOF track career.
But now he got validated with a contract bigger than GSW offered and a starting job, its about "Love".It's not surprising that we view that sequence differently. Klay immediately went to the tunnel and the training room because he knew he had torn his Achilles. The rule is if the fouled player can't shoot, the other team gets to pick anyone on the other team, including the bench, to shoot those shots. Because it was the Finals, Klay gritted it out and came back. And yes, I was crying.
Klays issue is that he's always had to sacrifice for the team. He will likely end up top 5 on career 3 pointers list with a percentage much higher than anyone else not named Curry. Remember the whole number 76 jersey Steph had made for Klay when he didn't make the top 75 team?
You put "love" in quotes- salary, and not low balling dudes is how you show it. The Warriors showed Dray, Wiggins, and Poole more love. This despite Klay averaging exactly his career numbers last season.
Im only going off that he now is playing for love and was not. His words, not mine.
His demotion and reaction the last two years are documented.
The Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green line up had a +18 rating last season, 4 points more than Podziemski. Klay had a positive net rating with every non Looney lineup. I think his criticisms were well justified. In Dallas, he feels wanted, in GSW he did not. I don't know what your beef with that is
This after he yelled at Kerr when relegated to the bench. He did really well there. That I agree.
So now that he has a starting role and a contract, he plays for love. Sorry I find most media day statements are bullshit.
He could have stayed in GSW and played for love there? No, he got a promise he would start and a more money than what GSW could pay.
Thus my cynical side says he went for a validation or relevance than take less from GSW and walked away from a fan base who adored him for years.
I get not all players get to finish with their team if they want to be paid. But don't tell the world his babble about now playing for love. Is that what happens when you don't get max money? I suppose he could play for retribution.
We’ve had a front-row seat this season to watching Thompson deal with his basketball mortality. He is a future Hall of Fame player and part of one of the NBA’s great dynasty teams, but few players get to wind down their careers on their own terms. Few get the John Elway exit. Thompson and the Warriors as a whole are dealing with that as their dynasty era sunsets — it took Kerr a long time to come around on starting Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, giving this roster what it needed to have a chance at a run this season. It’s not easy to accept that we’re not what we once were and things have changed both with us and around us. Golden State has struggled with that top to bottom.Fortunately for Thompson, he seems to have found his lane and is thriving now. He and Chris Paul off the bench dramatically change the non-Stephen Curry minutes for the Warriors, and that’s one thing that gives them a chance when the postseason comes.
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Jerry is held with amazing reverence given his career, he is the logo, and some savvy moves as GM.
What might have cracked the patina of his cred was the awful depiction of him in the HBO series about the Lakers from the time Buss bought the team.
They might have exaggerated everyone for dramatic purpose but I have also read up and have learned Riley was insecure early in his career, Westhead was a strange dude, Buss was a drinking playboy who had money issues, Kareem was legit very surly, Spencer Haywood had bad drug issues, and Magic was all that.
If West was half of how he was depicted it changes many perceptions of him.
If you have not seen it it shows him as a very loud and insecure employee. This after a long playing career where his laker teams lost to the Celtics in the finals six times! Then lost to the knicks in 1970. They finally won in 1972, and lost again in 1973. The logo went to the finals 9 times and won just once. He was a disaster as a coach and that part was actually funny as they wanted him to do it again but he fully ranted he hated it and was bad at it. Magic was also when he tried his hand at it.
While the Laker seemed to unceremoniously drop him and offend him we never got the other side of the story from the lakers perspective. This is a franchise that seems to have shown loyalty kind of is out of character with how West depicts them.Not saying Lakers are not at fault. We learn there is usually two sides to every divorce. something went south there. Something got ugly. There is more to this.
Many Fans blame Jeannie for the mess that became the lakers. Jerry died in 2013. Jerry West left the Lakers in 2000. Lakers won 4 chips with Phil AFTER he left. Many fans think he pulled the Trade for Pau? Nope, he was exec for Memphis then. That was 2008!
Buss traded for Kareem. Bill Sharman was GM from 1976-1982. WESt from thru 1994 when Kupchek was bought in. West leaves the year they bring in Phil Jax in 2000.
What happened? Don't know. He gets a lot of cred. Lakers fall apart when Buss leaves control of the team to Son Jimmy and not Jeannie. Kupchek was still there but all hell broke loose. Jeannie takes control and the lakers win a chip a few years later.
Fans on social media are all about Laker hate and "all he did for them". No doubt while employed as an exec they won 6 chips. Showtime was not his genius exclusively. Thats on him, Buss and Shrmon who did some real savvy trades to get picks. Buss understood entertainment and winning was the best form. It was all a brilliant congruence of events that turned that franchise into something special.
gradyandrew wrote:Love is a two way street. He didn't feel it in GSW and now he does in Dallas. Klay sadly has been the scapegoat for a lot of GSWs recent problems. The "Klay has lost a step on defense " was a common theme for the past few years despite Wiggins falling off a cliff and Poole having to be traded because Draymond decided punching him was the easiest way to get a new contract. Klay is the second best player in franchise history and left at 33 because of the poor decisions the front office made. I wouldn't feel the love if I was him too.
I'd say that part is questionable. I think Chris Mullin is the second best player in GSW's history
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BigDaddyG wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Love is a two way street. He didn't feel it in GSW and now he does in Dallas. Klay sadly has been the scapegoat for a lot of GSWs recent problems. The "Klay has lost a step on defense " was a common theme for the past few years despite Wiggins falling off a cliff and Poole having to be traded because Draymond decided punching him was the easiest way to get a new contract. Klay is the second best player in franchise history and left at 33 because of the poor decisions the front office made. I wouldn't feel the love if I was him too.I'd say that part is questionable. I think Chris Mullin is the second best player in GSW's history
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Good call.
Gaudy listing of ALL NBA despite sitting out a year and played in the ABA for 5 years.
Came back to GSW. Dude like never missed a game either.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barryri01.html
Mully was hell of a player, Barry gets the edge.
Nalod wrote:Rick Barry was Top 50 and on the 75 all time greatest lists.
Gaudy listing of ALL NBA despite sitting out a year and played in the ABA for 5 years.
Came back to GSW. Dude like never missed a game either.https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barryri01.html
Mully was hell of a player, Barry gets the edge.
You're probably right about Barry over Mullin. I think we all overlooked the fact that Wilt played for the warriors. He's got to be #2, unless you're giving Barry an edge for the tile.
gradyandrew wrote:Love is a two way street. He didn't feel it in GSW and now he does in Dallas. Klay sadly has been the scapegoat for a lot of GSWs recent problems. The "Klay has lost a step on defense " was a common theme for the past few years despite Wiggins falling off a cliff and Poole having to be traded because Draymond decided punching him was the easiest way to get a new contract. Klay is the second best player in franchise history and left at 33 because of the poor decisions the front office made. I wouldn't feel the love if I was him too.
He said he now plays with "Love" that was missing. Again my point was he got caught up in his own demise an now that he has a deal and a starting job im projecting he feels validated and thus can play for "love".
Im calling bullshit.
Made "scapegoat"? No, he underperformed until he got off the bench and got his shit together. I get the ego thing. Its not easy to let some things go. He was the man for years. He was paid like it. He missed a lot of time and its quite the accomplishment to have returned to the level he did.
Playing for love is playing for the fans and the team. Loyalty was shown to him by both upholding a contract and he was given every opportunity given his stature.
Im ok with him moving on doing the fresh start and new challenges thing but don't bullshit the fans with that psychobabble word salad. GSW had salary constraints in this CBA era and could not pay him what he wanted. Maybe they simply did not want to.
Age matters.
Knicks traded Clyde because he too wanted to be paid as he should but his knees were giving out. It proved correct. Sad as it was but having him and Earl was not logical anymore and Earl was healthier. Clyde was not ready to retire.
Ewing had his issue also and wanted out. Great players have great egos. Its part of what drives them.
Lets see how Klay holds up and his minutes get sorted with Kyrie and Luka. Interesting team for sure. I hope Klay's love gets him at or near his career avg cuz if its way below and his defense lacks, or can't penetrate he gonna be the "Scapegoat" again.