Knicks · We need an upgrade at PF! (page 4)

As good as Hart has shot the 3 ball this year, he's really not a huge threat and is usually left WIDE OPEN for his looks. So I don't think you lose that much spacing with Precious.

It strengthens our bench.

the biggest loss would be that secondary ballhandler b/c Hart has been our de facto PG much of the season, I guess that's why Thibs really sticks with it.

nycericanguy wrote:starting Precious at the 4 always had it's merits.

As good as Hart has shot the 3 ball this year, he's really not a huge threat and is usually left WIDE OPEN for his looks. So I don't think you lose that much spacing with Precious.

It strengthens our bench.

the biggest loss would be that secondary ballhandler b/c Hart has been our de facto PG much of the season, I guess that's why Thibs really sticks with it.

Good points.
I feel Bridges would be able to handle the secondary ball handling need.
Also, most keep thinking I am putting down Josh. Complete opposite, don’t see an issue with him staying at high minutes, as he did last year coming off the bench. Just that he would be able to give guys like OG and Bridges more rest.
We have seen several games where we lose steam in the fourth.
And again, no secret Towns needs a defensive big next to him.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

What’s Brown going to do?
Unfortunately, I was proved right about everything Insaid would happen with Hart in the playoffs.
Mitch was a better plus than Hart. Covered up KATS and JBs defensive flaws.
Harts lack of shot cost us.
As I stated last year, KAT is the only possible upgrade at PF.
We just need to hope Mitch is taking 1000 FTs a day

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

What’s Brown going to do?
Unfortunately, I was proved right about everything Insaid would happen with Hart in the playoffs.
Mitch was a better plus than Hart. Covered up KATS and JBs defensive flaws.
Harts lack of shot cost us.
As I stated last year, KAT is the only possible upgrade at PF.
We just need to hope Mitch is taking 1000 FTs a day

I don’t know how much it affected him but his busted finger may have played into the poor shooting. Josh has said as much.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

What’s Brown going to do?
Unfortunately, I was proved right about everything Insaid would happen with Hart in the playoffs.
Mitch was a better plus than Hart. Covered up KATS and JBs defensive flaws.
Harts lack of shot cost us.
As I stated last year, KAT is the only possible upgrade at PF.
We just need to hope Mitch is taking 1000 FTs a day

I don’t know how much it affected him but his busted finger may have played into the poor shooting. Josh has said as much.

That seems to be a perennial injury. Mostly during playoffs
Not sure who said it but what hurts Hart most is the hesitation to shoot. Which gets worse in the playoffs. He has shown that he can shoot the three at a decent clip. However, he has also shown little confidence in it during playoffs.
Still feel he is our glue guy but just not when you need more shooting.

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

What’s Brown going to do?
Unfortunately, I was proved right about everything Insaid would happen with Hart in the playoffs.
Mitch was a better plus than Hart. Covered up KATS and JBs defensive flaws.
Harts lack of shot cost us.
As I stated last year, KAT is the only possible upgrade at PF.
We just need to hope Mitch is taking 1000 FTs a day

I don’t know how much it affected him but his busted finger may have played into the poor shooting. Josh has said as much.

That seems to be a perennial injury. Mostly during playoffs
Not sure who said it but what hurts Hart most is the hesitation to shoot. Which gets worse in the playoffs. He has shown that he can shoot the three at a decent clip. However, he has also shown little confidence in it during playoffs.
Still feel he is our glue guy but just not when you need more shooting.

Maybe the coaching change can encourage him and make him feel comfortable to shoot more freely

Alpha1971 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

What’s Brown going to do?
Unfortunately, I was proved right about everything Insaid would happen with Hart in the playoffs.
Mitch was a better plus than Hart. Covered up KATS and JBs defensive flaws.
Harts lack of shot cost us.
As I stated last year, KAT is the only possible upgrade at PF.
We just need to hope Mitch is taking 1000 FTs a day

I don’t know how much it affected him but his busted finger may have played into the poor shooting. Josh has said as much.

That seems to be a perennial injury. Mostly during playoffs
Not sure who said it but what hurts Hart most is the hesitation to shoot. Which gets worse in the playoffs. He has shown that he can shoot the three at a decent clip. However, he has also shown little confidence in it during playoffs.
Still feel he is our glue guy but just not when you need more shooting.

Maybe the coaching change can encourage him and make him feel comfortable to shoot more freely

Maybe. But hard to coach confidence. Was watching the Roommate's podcast and he said it himself, feels we have a better chance of scoring if he passes it to someone else.

Alpha1971 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We have our PF for the next 10 years his name is Towns

yup. Except he plays center. So there's that.

OG is the 4. When he got the bag and Jules didnt say "sure I'll play for half of what my peers make" OG became the 4 and Jules became a lesson in asset management.

But will he if we are to match up against the best?
He didn’t in Minny?

Fish, always the optimist. Respect.
OG (my new fave) at 4 may work. But then who is at the 3?

he was the POA defender on Joker in the playoffs and was very good. It's part of what upset Sota fans about the trade so much "KAT finally got THERE and..."

I think we see Thibs unlock another level in another vet w/ KAT.

I have always thought of Mikal/Josh as interchangeable at the 2/3.

I dont know how it all plays out but my optimism is really coming from the roster makeup and talent.

Still think we can match up against a top tier frontline with KAT at the 5?
No rim protection?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-y...

Finally !

“ The Knicks had a vision for how they wanted their rotation to look in the playoffs, and even though Karl-Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson didn't play together much during the regular season, that could change in the team's upcoming series against the Detroit Pistons.”

I like Mitch coming off the bench. KAT can go on a run at the 5. Then Mitch can either sub in, and KAT moves to PF. Or depending on what the score is, KAT can sit, and Mitch can patrol the paint, while Brunson is the focus of the offense, for a while.

I dont like the idea of Mitch starting, hasnt been good for him careerwise, availability. The first few minutes of a game is where the most sprinting is done. Trying to set the tone. Saving Mitch for after the first few minutes feels like the way to go.

What’s Brown going to do?
Unfortunately, I was proved right about everything Insaid would happen with Hart in the playoffs.
Mitch was a better plus than Hart. Covered up KATS and JBs defensive flaws.
Harts lack of shot cost us.
As I stated last year, KAT is the only possible upgrade at PF.
We just need to hope Mitch is taking 1000 FTs a day

I don’t know how much it affected him but his busted finger may have played into the poor shooting. Josh has said as much.

That seems to be a perennial injury. Mostly during playoffs
Not sure who said it but what hurts Hart most is the hesitation to shoot. Which gets worse in the playoffs. He has shown that he can shoot the three at a decent clip. However, he has also shown little confidence in it during playoffs.
Still feel he is our glue guy but just not when you need more shooting.

Maybe the coaching change can encourage him and make him feel comfortable to shoot more freely

Possibly. But hard to coach lack of confidence. Was watching roommates podcast and he said it himself. Felt like we had a better chance to score if he passed it to someone else.
Think coaching will come in to play when knowing when to use him. Great role player/ glue guy for most of the game. But when you need 5 guys to put pressure on the defense in the playoffs, maybe not my first pick.