Knicks · Kolek has no bag (page 2)

newyorknewyork wrote:

lol 100%

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:he can dribble anywhere he wants... he's got a great handle, but he's got zero bag. You do not need to guard him and he can't defend anyone. He went to the Frank Ntilikina school of scoring. This is why IQ got minutes as rookie and Tyler sits.

He's 24.

Lets spend the day talking about how Thibs has let him rotting on the bench while overplaying the starters.

Go

I mean, you are right. Outside of manage the offense, orchestrate and make passes creating easy buckets for his team mates, he doesn’t do much.

the minus 1 in the box score confirms that

I'm not dying on the Kolek hill, one way or the other,but -1 in such a small sample size isn't worth mentioning. Even if you did take that number seriously, all it suggests is that his impact on the court is pretty much neutral.

of course.. it was meant to be as silly as Franco's take but pretty sure he takes that seriously. Who knows.

I was really put off by his fear of scoring. It was in the Ben Simmons zone. So I go on the interwebs to see if anyone else is thinking Meh and this isnt a good fit. Clearly Im wrong as he's Stockton like in his ability to run an offense, has been rotting on the bench, could be a Jeremy Lin if the coaches gave him burn. Its def me!

"fear of scoring"
I don't see that. He's just not scoring yet, at the NBA level yet.

Come on fish, you've been around long enough to know knick fans are the only fans in the NBA, who loves the 15th man. Now it's "P J TUCKER"

Kolek will be a great Payne replacement next year, for the cheap. He will have his "dime bag" in a "duffle bag" all next season. Right now, it's just "puff puff pass"

from your keys to god's ears man... I would love nothing more.

The "fear of scoring" is because if there is any defense on his shot it's just a quick "nope"

Round 2 tonight and we could really use some help

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:he can dribble anywhere he wants... he's got a great handle, but he's got zero bag. You do not need to guard him and he can't defend anyone. He went to the Frank Ntilikina school of scoring. This is why IQ got minutes as rookie and Tyler sits.

He's 24.

Lets spend the day talking about how Thibs has let him rotting on the bench while overplaying the starters.

Go

I mean, you are right. Outside of manage the offense, orchestrate and make passes creating easy buckets for his team mates, he doesn’t do much.

the minus 1 in the box score confirms that

I'm not dying on the Kolek hill, one way or the other,but -1 in such a small sample size isn't worth mentioning. Even if you did take that number seriously, all it suggests is that his impact on the court is pretty much neutral.

of course.. it was meant to be as silly as Franco's take but pretty sure he takes that seriously. Who knows.

I was really put off by his fear of scoring. It was in the Ben Simmons zone. So I go on the interwebs to see if anyone else is thinking Meh and this isnt a good fit. Clearly Im wrong as he's Stockton like in his ability to run an offense, has been rotting on the bench, could be a Jeremy Lin if the coaches gave him burn. Its def me!

"fear of scoring"
I don't see that. He's just not scoring yet, at the NBA level yet.

Come on fish, you've been around long enough to know knick fans are the only fans in the NBA, who loves the 15th man. Now it's "P J TUCKER"

Kolek will be a great Payne replacement next year, for the cheap. He will have his "dime bag" in a "duffle bag" all next season. Right now, it's just "puff puff pass"

from your keys to god's ears man... I would love nothing more.

The "fear of scoring" is because if there is any defense on his shot it's just a quick "nope"

Round 2 tonight and we could really use some help

Sorry, didn't see the sarcasm button. Personally, I'm good if he can eat an inning or two. Cam Payne, for all the hate he's gotten, has been a good backup and has proven his ability to play in the post-season. I think he could use more minutes
Unfortunately, the economics may prevent him from coming back. Kolek flashing would solve some issues going into next season.

We know Kolek sees the floor, can pass the ball and seemingly already has the offense down.

I think his 3 ball with time (see Deuce) will be rock solid - at least off the catch and off the bounce off a soft screen.

He can get some baskets creatively going to his left BUT they are often high degree of difficulty (high off glass or tough angles).

Think he really needs to work on going right and he needs a floater going both to his left and right.

Most encouraging thing I'm seeing is he is scrappy defensively, getting over screens but also you are already seeing vet teammates getting him the ball to get into the offense. Remembering Frank - the vets often just bypassed the French Prince because they had no respect for his game.

Kolek is a gamer don't sell him short - I think Deuce example is what we lay our hats / hopes on with Kolek.

fishmike wrote:he can dribble anywhere he wants... he's got a great handle, but he's got zero bag. You do not need to guard him and he can't defend anyone. He went to the Frank Ntilikina school of scoring. This is why IQ got minutes as rookie and Tyler sits.

He's 24.

Lets spend the day talking about how Thibs has let him rotting on the bench while overplaying the starters.

Go

Big paint for Kolek is that other than Brunson he's legit the only cat on our roster that can dribble/pass/chew gum with imploding with TOs, loose handles and or simply falling on the ground.

Highly intelligent, will learn where to score and like Deuce just needs to keep grinding on where/how to get his looks.

LivingLegend wrote:

fishmike wrote:he can dribble anywhere he wants... he's got a great handle, but he's got zero bag. You do not need to guard him and he can't defend anyone. He went to the Frank Ntilikina school of scoring. This is why IQ got minutes as rookie and Tyler sits.

He's 24.

Lets spend the day talking about how Thibs has let him rotting on the bench while overplaying the starters.

Go

Big paint for Kolek is that other than Brunson he's legit the only cat on our roster that can dribble/pass/chew gum with imploding with TOs, loose handles and or simply falling on the ground.

Highly intelligent, will learn where to score and like Deuce just needs to keep grinding on where/how to get his looks.

I think Kolek is more of a pg than Brunson.

I'm not sure why fish is picking on him - I've just wanted him to get- like Hukporti before he got hurt - a few more minutes just so our guys aren't burned out by the end of the season.

And on Kolek ever scoring - not entirely sure he can- he has Chris Dudley foot speed and that is not prime Chris, current 60 year old Chris Dudley!

But- if there is a bright side- he is playing with another PG that is not uber athletic, but super effective.

I wish kolek would get more run. The offense just hums with him in there. He’s the purest PG and will be a phenomenal backup to Brunson in due time.

Knixkik wrote:I wish kolek would get more run. The offense just hums with him in there. He’s the purest PG and will be a phenomenal backup to Brunson in due time.

Your wish has been granted!

He’s a project. He shouldn’t be starting right now he’s a rookie. Sign Frank to a 10-day contract

Does this count as a jinx thread that caused Payne to get pained and potentially be out?

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-k...

According to Knicks Muse, Kolek became the first player in NBA history to notch at least eight assists without turning the ball over in under 20 minutes of action in consecutive games (h/t New York Knicks on SI’s Geoff Magliocchetti).

GustavBahler wrote:https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-k...

According to Knicks Muse, Kolek became the first player in NBA history to notch at least eight assists without turning the ball over in under 20 minutes of action in consecutive games (h/t New York Knicks on SI’s Geoff Magliocchetti).

came here specifically to share that, and this one:

New York Basketball noted that Kolek is the first Knick in at least the last 42 seasons to have 17 assists and no turnovers in a two-game span

Kolek did got 25 assists in a row with no turnovers. However I will note after he committed his first turnover last night, the wheels came off on the game!

he got scored on very easily. They started backing off him and challenging to shoot. He did, it barely hit iron. The pass to Precious was top shelf.

Hey lets hope he looks at all things he needs to do to stay on the floor and improve.

franco12 wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

fishmike wrote:he can dribble anywhere he wants... he's got a great handle, but he's got zero bag. You do not need to guard him and he can't defend anyone. He went to the Frank Ntilikina school of scoring. This is why IQ got minutes as rookie and Tyler sits.

He's 24.

Lets spend the day talking about how Thibs has let him rotting on the bench while overplaying the starters.

Go

Big paint for Kolek is that other than Brunson he's legit the only cat on our roster that can dribble/pass/chew gum with imploding with TOs, loose handles and or simply falling on the ground.

Highly intelligent, will learn where to score and like Deuce just needs to keep grinding on where/how to get his looks.

I think Kolek is more of a pg than Brunson.

I'm not sure why fish is picking on him - I've just wanted him to get- like Hukporti before he got hurt - a few more minutes just so our guys aren't burned out by the end of the season.

And on Kolek ever scoring - not entirely sure he can- he has Chris Dudley foot speed and that is not prime Chris, current 60 year old Chris Dudley!

But- if there is a bright side- he is playing with another PG that is not uber athletic, but super effective.

the bold is the part you cant get mate. Huk earned the time and looked good out there. Kolek has not. That's why he was not playing.

Im not picking on him. Im laughing at the box score watchers who see 8 assists and think he's John Stockton. He's cheap and locked up. Would be fantastic if he pops. He has yet to look good as a pro.

Next up: "Kolek isnt playing well because Thibs hurt his confidence"

Queue it up bud

VDesai wrote:Kolek did got 25 assists in a row with no turnovers. However I will note after he committed his first turnover last night, the wheels came off on the game!

Get the pitchforks.

This thread is a little premature. On par with the "Tyler Kolek can't read" thread.

Comparison's between Frank N. and Tyler K. are unusual and a bit contrived. Frank N was a lottery pick based mostly on anthropomorphic metrics (read: long arms). 6'4 with a 7'1 wingspan. The sole basis for comparison is that they are the last two PGs drafted by the Knicks with a "pass-first" moniker. Getting drafted into a Triangle system did Frank zero favors.

All I am expecting is a guy that can hit the open 3 and open up an offense with his assists. But, in the second round, I worried then (and still do) that his defense is a weakness. In limited minutes, I see a guy rushing his 3, a little slow on his footwork on defense allowing much more athletic players to get an angle on him to get into the key. He recovers modestly well and is aware of passing lanes in a manner that allows him to deflect passes and get steals, but the on ball defense is deficient. I think his consistently negative plus minus is a product of his defense.

His passing seems to be contagious. Ball movement without Brunson has been top notch, though I do miss our captain. I do want this kind of ball movement to continue. I don't expect Kolek to turn into Steve Nash tomorrow, but I also don't think the upside is non-existent long-term. The floor-general skills are real.

We are in year 1 of 4. I want to see how this guy develops.

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-k...

According to Knicks Muse, Kolek became the first player in NBA history to notch at least eight assists without turning the ball over in under 20 minutes of action in consecutive games (h/t New York Knicks on SI’s Geoff Magliocchetti).

came here specifically to share that, and this one:

New York Basketball noted that Kolek is the first Knick in at least the last 42 seasons to have 17 assists and no turnovers in a two-game span

who cares. Assuming neither of you have watched him because it has not been good, and he was not playable last night.

I have nothing against Tyler. Hope he turns out great. He's not great now, not even close. Just points out that the minute police crying about the underutilized bench dont know what they are talking about, because these guys are not good players.

We have enough to get past the first round, but unless McBride and Mitch take some super serum and play like healthy young men the supporting cast after the starting 5 needs a LOT of work.

I think we did a good job turning IQ/RJ/DD/Jules into KAT/OG but we are literally short 2 guys.

If I was to advise him, I'd say to shoot 500 threes every day. If he can become a near 40 percent shooter from 3 it would open up the drives, which , in turn, would make it easier to find open guys from inside out. Also a little floater would be amazing because our playbook allowed the PG to get into the paint all day.
I just wish we had some variety on the PnR so that we could give the ball to the big on the move. Kolek- KAT PnR would be deadly. Simply deadly as KAT has so many moves around the hoop to finish

Fuck that guy. I mean, I haven't seen him take any heavily contested mid-range shots after dribbling in one spot for half the shot clock.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

fishmike wrote:he can dribble anywhere he wants... he's got a great handle, but he's got zero bag. You do not need to guard him and he can't defend anyone. He went to the Frank Ntilikina school of scoring. This is why IQ got minutes as rookie and Tyler sits.

He's 24.

Lets spend the day talking about how Thibs has let him rotting on the bench while overplaying the starters.

Go

Big paint for Kolek is that other than Brunson he's legit the only cat on our roster that can dribble/pass/chew gum with imploding with TOs, loose handles and or simply falling on the ground.

Highly intelligent, will learn where to score and like Deuce just needs to keep grinding on where/how to get his looks.

I think Kolek is more of a pg than Brunson.

I'm not sure why fish is picking on him - I've just wanted him to get- like Hukporti before he got hurt - a few more minutes just so our guys aren't burned out by the end of the season.

And on Kolek ever scoring - not entirely sure he can- he has Chris Dudley foot speed and that is not prime Chris, current 60 year old Chris Dudley!

But- if there is a bright side- he is playing with another PG that is not uber athletic, but super effective.

the bold is the part you cant get mate. Huk earned the time and looked good out there. Kolek has not. That's why he was not playing.

Im not picking on him. Im laughing at the box score watchers who see 8 assists and think he's John Stockton. He's cheap and locked up. Would be fantastic if he pops. He has yet to look good as a pro.

Next up: "Kolek isnt playing well because Thibs hurt his confidence"

Queue it up bud

This is the problem I have with Thibs. Hukporti played earlier in the season - and when he played again, and started to get more time, I saw the same thing - a player who was decent on the defensive, better than Kat, that is for sure. There was no giant difference. So earned how? Earned because Sims was traded? Has Kolek earned the time the same way, that there is no other choice?

Dude is slow, but smart and savvy. He was definitely overwhelmed last night, but it’s not like he was the reason we lost.

His upside is probably no more than scrub that can fill in spot minutes.

I just wanted Thibs to not burn the starters out. I know we’re missing Brunson and now Payne, but the wheels seem to be flying off this car as we approach the finish line.

ramtour420 wrote:If I was to advise him, I'd say to shoot 500 threes every day. If he can become a near 40 percent shooter from 3 it would open up the drives, which , in turn, would make it easier to find open guys from inside out. Also a little floater would be amazing because our playbook allowed the PG to get into the paint all day.
I just wish we had some variety on the PnR so that we could give the ball to the big on the move. Kolek- KAT PnR would be deadly. Simply deadly as KAT has so many moves around the hoop to finish

So... you want to trade him for IQ?