DLeethal wrote:Knicksfan wrote:We have played three games and we haven’t shown a competent offense in either of them. And today for some reason we decide to not execute the adjustment that had made us win two games after not being able to compete with Boston during the season. How does it make sense? I remain puzzled about this whole season. We start strong, showing a diverse and exciting offense while not playing defense. During that we have trouble beating elite teams. We finally start playing D but our offense is trash. And then today we said what about trying to win without either. Brave.Still up to this day, this team remains an enigma.
I agree with you. This team has been in an identity crisis all year. But we haven’t shown a competent offense basically all playoffs and beyond.
Shocked you don’t love our 3 perimeter hand offs 30 feet from hoop while clock runs under 8. 
DLeethal wrote:The biggest issue is starting games and 3rd quarters. Which is alarming trend for obvious reasons. So much so that Mikal had to implore the team to do layup lines last series.
Brunson has been pretty brutal 1st 3 quarters entire series and I’m not even including his D and lack of ball movement.
Needs to step it up on both ends if he’s going to change Becky’s mind.
Brunson has been the most frustrating player for me because I believe he can unlock KAT's game. Brunson is one of the most underrated floor generals in the league because he focuses more on scoring.
Some of the passes he makes are of the thread the needle variety. I see JB looking for his shot too much when we need a more balanced offense.
ramtour420 wrote:Knicks are 7-1 this year when we have 35+ assists
In. Playoff games Knicks have broken 20 assists 2 times (26 & 22 vs Pistons).
We haven’t broken 20 vs Celtics so days of +35 assists may have to wait until we get a new PG or new system/coach.
Philc1 wrote:houston20 wrote:ccch wrote:VDesai wrote:Hack a Mitch when up 30?
Will Thibs learn?
Joe Mouslla is idiot but Mitch Robinson is a bad free throw shooter who doesn’t work on his free throw. It’s time to take the training wheels off Mitch Robinson and actually work on the basics like free throw shooting.
Anthony Mason got his free throws up to 73%. Granted he used a very unorthodox shooting technique but who cares if it goes in?
Mase had talent, could initiate offense, dribble and score even against 2 defenders.
Mitch needs a fork to control ball and sometimes struggles to score against the rim.
Panos wrote:Wow, am I glad I missed this game. Looks brutal. The Starting front court 9 for 37? 25%? Blech! 
I haven’t checked but is it possible our entire starting unit has a negative +/- for the series?
I assume Mitch is a plus but not sure anyone else in roster is positive.
DLeethal wrote:Is it me or if this as close Brunson will ever get to criticism of coaching strategy?
“20-40 from 3, a lot we need to discuss tomorrow”
He;s maybe the biggest culprit- lost all over on D and when not lost at 3 point line getting posted under basket by everyone or late to get out on wing 3s
martin wrote:
Mitch would hold ball too long and shoot it over his head backwards into Celtics hoop.
martin wrote:LOL
Hahaha - fact checking be damned.
gradyandrew wrote:houston20 wrote:Philc1 wrote:houston20 wrote:ccch wrote:VDesai wrote:Hack a Mitch when up 30?
Will Thibs learn?
Joe Mouslla is idiot but Mitch Robinson is a bad free throw shooter who doesn’t work on his free throw. It’s time to take the training wheels off Mitch Robinson and actually work on the basics like free throw shooting.
Anthony Mason got his free throws up to 73%. Granted he used a very unorthodox shooting technique but who cares if it goes in?
I got no hope in Mitch Robinson free throw shooting, I have better chance at winning the lottery at this rate.
Even after missing 8 free throws Mitchell Robinson was still only −3 in his 19 minutes. This is what I've been talking about all series. Mitchell Robinson needs to start. He needs to start so that when he's plays he's not going to put the team over the limit when he gets fouled. The Celtics won't foul him and then he can be more productive in his time. I said before the game Deuce Mcbride needs to play more. In 19 minutes he was just −1. this loss is not on the players; it's on the Thibs. It's been true all season, the lineup dieta shows that the starters are not a good unit together. All of the top units for net rating have Deuce McBride in them. If they want to win the series. they need to play Mitchell Robinson and McBride more than 20 minutes a game.
Agree but in both Mitch/Deuce getting more time Hart needs to be on bench.
jskinny35 wrote:If we want to beat Boston we need to play with better ball movement and spacing. Boston is now the aggressive team after 2 games of us looking tough and gritty. We sucker punched them and they were stunned...now they've punched back and remembered they've beat us up most of the year. Next game's energy will tell if it was 2 fluke wins or that we are able to regroup and punch back harder because it will take that to beat Boston 2 more times. Can't wait for game 4 Monday!
I think winner will be determined by which D is more forceful and is able to extend opposition offense out closer to 1/2 court with heavy / contained ball pressure. Not sure we can do this without more Mitch/Deuce minutes.
DLeethal wrote:This is hard to watch and definitely looks like full blown KAT DROP and not just miscommunication on KATs part
It’s simple.
If Kat is dropping per Thibs direction that’s on Thibs.
If Kat is dropping because he’s dumb/lazy he needs to be benched immediately until he gets message.
I think Thibs went back to drop - no idea why other than to prove a point he believes in (stubborn).
DLeethal wrote:This is hard to watch and definitely looks like full blown KAT DROP and not just miscommunication on KATs part
Ok just watched that more closely.
Almost all of those wear off drop coverage.
There were 2 late in clip with OG/Kat where they do exact opposite.
1st 1 OG bitches at Kat because he thinks Kat is low/late to come up for switch (Tatum 3).
2nd 1 Kat steps up to switch to Tatum but inexplicably now OG leaves Horford to run over to Kat and double Tatum.
Just switch everything play solid man and don’t bail them out fouling on drives —- leave Jalen/Kat 1 on 1 and live with it.
ToddTT wrote:DLeethal wrote:This is hard to watch and definitely looks like full blown KAT DROP and not just miscommunication on KATs part
I think KAT has developed a style of defense that helps him avoid fouling out in one quarter.
Hahaha - yep guard nobody and afterwards just throw hands up in frustration.
Philc1 wrote:ToddTT wrote:DLeethal wrote:This is hard to watch and definitely looks like full blown KAT DROP and not just miscommunication on KATs part
I think KAT has developed a style of defense that helps him avoid fouling out in one quarter.
If KAT actually tries to play defense the refs will bench him in the first qtr. that’s what happened game 1.
That’s on him though — he keeps reaching and pushing for no reason. Just defend for christ sakes.
Let me add - you can see the D is not all on Kat because when you watch the clip of the Celtics 1st half 3’s there are multiple instances where the guy guarding the ball is fighting to get over the screen.
If we were switching there is no fighting over the screen it’s a simple player hand-off / exchange.
LivingLegend wrote:Philc1 wrote:houston20 wrote:ccch wrote:VDesai wrote:Hack a Mitch when up 30?
Will Thibs learn?
Joe Mouslla is idiot but Mitch Robinson is a bad free throw shooter who doesn’t work on his free throw. It’s time to take the training wheels off Mitch Robinson and actually work on the basics like free throw shooting.
Anthony Mason got his free throws up to 73%. Granted he used a very unorthodox shooting technique but who cares if it goes in?
Mase had talent, could initiate offense, dribble and score even against 2 defenders.
Mitch needs a fork to control ball and sometimes struggles to score against the rim.
I loved Mase but no way could he exist in today’s nba.
LivingLegend wrote:Let me add - you can see the D is not all on Kat because when you watch the clip of the Celtics 1st half 3’s there are multiple instances where the guy guarding the ball is fighting to get over the screen.If we were switching there is no fighting over the screen it’s a simple player hand-off / exchange.
Because if you fight over a screen Porzingis would flop like the Trump stock market.
HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:
Sounds crazy but if KAT comes off the bench it prevents him from going into early foul trouble and Celtics can’t do Hack a Mitch for at least first 10 minutes of the 1st qtr.
Media will have a field day but f ck em
If I was coaching (give it time), my starting five would be:
MR
KAT
OG
Bridges
Brunson
With my bench being
Cam
Deuce
Hart
Precious.
Get it done and we losing 6 and Thibs gets fired .
But seriously, how much can it hurt to try for a half?
I like the big lineup with Mitch and KAT and it has given both the pistons and Celtics problems but you can’t have both on the floor against the Celtics because the refs are out for blood with KAT and the Celtics will go into the penalty on purpose to do Hack-a-Mitch.
If you start Mitch or even more subtly start KAT then sub him out early for Mitch it f cks up the Celtics and refs’ strategy. KAT cannot go into foul trouble early and it’s too early in the first quarter to initiate Hack-a-Mitch.
It just seems the Knicks are less than the sum of their parts.
Mitch got start making his free throws at least 60 percent that’s. If the Knicks are down 6 to 8 points and Mitch gets fouled misses free throws then they hit 2 threes and down 14 because I will break something in my house. I can’t take this miss free throw nonsense it will be worse if he in final seconds gets fouled down by 1 point and misses both free throws. At some point Mitch has to take responsibility for this bad free throw shooting he really does.
