Can't believe we were so desperate for JR F-ing Smith that we put Chris Smith on our bench - what a disgrace that was.
JR = The Greek
Either Kidd gets an extension with Dallas or the saga continues.
SergioNYK wrote:
Jenkins lifetime coaching winning percentage is a bit over .500.
Despite having a solid core of Ja Morant , J Jackson and Bane.
Got fired prior to playoffs after failing to get team where ownership thought they should be after 6 years.
But he knows how to get us a chip?
HofstraBBall wrote:SergioNYK wrote:
Jenkins lifetime coaching winning percentage is a bit over .500.
Despite having a solid core of Ja Morant , J Jackson and Bane.
Got fired prior to playoffs after failing to get team where ownership thought they should be after 6 years.
But he knows how to get us a chip?
Not really fair conclusions here - its more like .540 and his only losing seasons were Ja's rookie year and the season before last where Ja was suspended half the team missed most of the season. Overall his record with this core is really good, he got them winning ahead of schedule, developed a lot of young guys and played a deep rotation. He is a young coach who did really well on his first stop and was definitely the victim of tough circumstances. The front office imposed major changes on him after what was really an out of context season he had little control over. They were fielding G leaguers for the majority of 2023-2024. For most of this past year they were 2nd in the West behind OKC and were 44-29 when they let him go.
Did Michael Scotto say that Johnny Bryant is returning to Cavs??
Maybe Jenkins can grow and be even better from that experience. He might be the guy.
PassTheBall wrote:Maybe Jenkins can grow and be even better from that experience. He might be the guy.
I mean, Lisalo is a bit more of a PNR coach. The Finnisher. Taylor Jenkins is a bit of a modern offense guy. I mean, the GM replaced Jenkins coaches and they had no meaningful defense to talk about. I’d argue he would need a strong defensive coach as sidekick. Same goes for James Borrego. I’d really like to see them make a play for Sean Sweeney out of Dallas. Pretty sure that Sydney Sweeney is included in that deal.
Memphis likes the hot assistant dudes promotions…..Bickerstaff, Joerger, Fizdale, and Jenkins!
PUt glasses on Jenkins he is “White Fiz”!
Lot of media gonna eat crow if Kidd wiggles out of Dallas to knicks.
Part of the pocess.
VDesai wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SergioNYK wrote:
Jenkins lifetime coaching winning percentage is a bit over .500.
Despite having a solid core of Ja Morant , J Jackson and Bane.
Got fired prior to playoffs after failing to get team where ownership thought they should be after 6 years.
But he knows how to get us a chip?
Not really fair conclusions here - its more like .540 and his only losing seasons were Ja's rookie year and the season before last where Ja was suspended half the team missed most of the season. Overall his record with this core is really good, he got them winning ahead of schedule, developed a lot of young guys and played a deep rotation. He is a young coach who did really well on his first stop and was definitely the victim of tough circumstances. The front office imposed major changes on him after what was really an out of context season he had little control over. They were fielding G leaguers for the majority of 2023-2024. For most of this past year they were 2nd in the West behind OKC and were 44-29 when they let him go.
Seems like a lot of excuses for the guy that is considered a better chip option than Thibs, who we both know did a lot more here with the Knicks.
Genuinely think folks are too focused on the head coach and ignore the assistants and associate head coach. For example, if they could pull Garrett Jackson from Ime Udoka’s staff or Trevor Henry from Kenny Arkinson’s team - then a modern offense guy/ analytics guy like Taylor Jenkins makes a lot of sense. You get a guy willing to use the numbers to craft sets that favor his player’s abilities together with assistants that can pound the X’s and O’s.
HofstraBBall wrote:VDesai wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SergioNYK wrote:
Jenkins lifetime coaching winning percentage is a bit over .500.
Despite having a solid core of Ja Morant , J Jackson and Bane.
Got fired prior to playoffs after failing to get team where ownership thought they should be after 6 years.
But he knows how to get us a chip?
Not really fair conclusions here - its more like .540 and his only losing seasons were Ja's rookie year and the season before last where Ja was suspended half the team missed most of the season. Overall his record with this core is really good, he got them winning ahead of schedule, developed a lot of young guys and played a deep rotation. He is a young coach who did really well on his first stop and was definitely the victim of tough circumstances. The front office imposed major changes on him after what was really an out of context season he had little control over. They were fielding G leaguers for the majority of 2023-2024. For most of this past year they were 2nd in the West behind OKC and were 44-29 when they let him go.
Seems like a lot of excuses for the guy that is considered a better chip option than Thibs, who we both know did a lot more here with the Knicks.
The same dismissiveness could be used to say Thibs 13 seasons of head coaching without winning a "chip" show you he is not the guy to get you over the hump and that he is too rigid to ever adjust his style.
The fact is we are where we are and Thibs is not the coach and won't be, so time to move on and evaluate the best guys. Jenkins for a 40 yr old coach has impressive accomplishments and an impressive record. He also has shown he will play a deep rotation and develop younger players with no experience. He is an excellent candidate for the job and probably a big contrast from Thibs. No one knows for sure if he is the guy, but just because Malone and Bud have won doesn't mean they are either.
Fact is Memphis front office overreacted to a season where the starting lineup basically missed the whole year - made too many changes and took away the reins from Jenkins who had shown he deserved their trust. Maybe we made the same mistake with Thibs. Who knows. In general I think coaching changes are overreactive when you fire a cosch with a winning track record.
VDesai wrote:Fact is Memphis front office overreacted to a season where the starting lineup basically missed the whole year - made too many changes and took away the reins from Jenkins who had shown he deserved their trust. Maybe we made the same mistake with Thibs. Who knows. In general I think coaching changes are overreactive when you fire a cosch with a winning track record.
I think Kleiman was angry at Jenkins for not playing Edey more and he wanted a more traditional coach like Iasalo to run Edey more. Maybe validate the draft position they used in him. The defense was suffering.
EwingsGlass wrote:VDesai wrote:Fact is Memphis front office overreacted to a season where the starting lineup basically missed the whole year - made too many changes and took away the reins from Jenkins who had shown he deserved their trust. Maybe we made the same mistake with Thibs. Who knows. In general I think coaching changes are overreactive when you fire a cosch with a winning track record.
I think Kleiman was angry at Jenkins for not playing Edey more and he wanted a more traditional coach like Iasalo to run Edey more. Maybe validate the draft position they used in him. The defense was suffering.
I like Edey and I think he was being underrated pre-dradt, but he never made sense on Memphis roster with their core. Strange move by them.
Jenkins comes from the San Antonio/Pop school. You have a lot of strong coaches coming out of there - Budenholzer, Udoka, Hardy, Borrego, even Mike Brown. Kerr also heavily influenced by Pop with 5 years playing for him.
There are many things about evaluation of a coach and while results matter so does the the roster the FO gave him.
Do we blame Jenkins for the incredible Jah Morant issues plaguing the team the last few years and his inablity to stay on the court due to his stubborn character and reckless play that leads to injury? What about the locker room? How did Jah’s leadership help or hinder?
What was the true reason for the discourse where FO collided with Jenkins? Context matters. I think how fans evaluate coach often is on the results which is fair but to a degree. Many great coaches dont’ succeed after a chip automatically Bud? Larry Brown from Detroit to Knicks? WFT???? He forget how to coach?
Thibs thus far is not the guy to take you all the way but he gets you closer and up to this year can wring out more results than what is thought. Jenkins was the wunderkind up until this year. If he is a great coach it takes different experiences to get you there. So perhaps this is when you get him. A bit wiser with more experience.
Sometimes thats the path. Sometimes not. Ask Joe Torre? Sure he don’t win without great players but not like they were racking them up before or after him. PHil Jax? “He don’t win wihtout Kobe or Jordan”. They dont’ win without him either. Fact.
No hiring is absolute. You can hire either of the current finals coaches and it won’t necessarily translate to a return trip next season. The starphuch in all of us would enjoy the hope never the less.
Critical that we get a coach who can work with our current squad. Of course there may be tweaks but not rebuild
I say this because I think Jenkins record w Memphis is almost irrelevant. That was a fundamentally different roster. This doesn’t disqualify him but we’d need to know what he would do w this roster
SergioNYK wrote:
Mavericks want draft picks. I like Kidd a lot for our vacancy but I’m not giving up future draft picks
VDesai wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:VDesai wrote:Fact is Memphis front office overreacted to a season where the starting lineup basically missed the whole year - made too many changes and took away the reins from Jenkins who had shown he deserved their trust. Maybe we made the same mistake with Thibs. Who knows. In general I think coaching changes are overreactive when you fire a cosch with a winning track record.
I think Kleiman was angry at Jenkins for not playing Edey more and he wanted a more traditional coach like Iasalo to run Edey more. Maybe validate the draft position they used in him. The defense was suffering.
I like Edey and I think he was being underrated pre-dradt, but he never made sense on Memphis roster with their core. Strange move by them.Jenkins comes from the San Antonio/Pop school. You have a lot of strong coaches coming out of there - Budenholzer, Udoka, Hardy, Borrego, even Mike Brown. Kerr also heavily influenced by Pop with 5 years playing for him.
Jenkins helped Bud turn the Hawks around and followed him to Milwaukee for that 60 win season.
