Knicks · The Offense (page 1)

Uptown @ 11/8/2025 5:17 PM
Good stuff here:

Uptown @ 11/8/2025 5:33 PM
Uptown @ 11/8/2025 5:38 PM
I remember having a convo on this forum last year about trying to figure out a way for the Knicks to generate more 3's. Some thought losing Randle and Divo is what hurt us mort becuase Randle actually did a decent job of passing the ball to the corners for open 3s. And Divo took the most attempts from 3 the year before...

Looks like Brown has cracked the code, at least early on...The tempo as increased, the early run-outs to the cormers, ball and player movement has increased and the ability to get multiple paint touches which allows for kick-outs to the 3-line.

EwingsGlass @ 11/8/2025 8:31 PM
Uptown wrote:I remember having a convo on this forum last year about trying to figure out a way for the Knicks to generate more 3's. Some thought losing Randle and Divo is what hurt us mort becuase Randle actually did a decent job of passing the ball to the corners for open 3s. And Divo took the most attempts from 3 the year before...

Looks like Brown has cracked the code, at least early on...The tempo as increased, the early run-outs to the cormers, ball and player movement has increased and the ability to get multiple paint touches which allows for kick-outs to the 3-line.

Triple double Randle is the best version of him on any team.

martin @ 11/9/2025 11:28 AM
Uptown wrote:I remember having a convo on this forum last year about trying to figure out a way for the Knicks to generate more 3's. Some thought losing Randle and Divo is what hurt us mort becuase Randle actually did a decent job of passing the ball to the corners for open 3s. And Divo took the most attempts from 3 the year before...

Looks like Brown has cracked the code, at least early on...The tempo as increased, the early run-outs to the cormers, ball and player movement has increased and the ability to get multiple paint touches which allows for kick-outs to the 3-line.

I’ll layer onto this.

I think a bunch of things have to align for this type of offensive output and we are starting to see that. System, willingness, understanding, and execution, from players and coaching staff alike. And then having enough player passers, movers, ball handlers, shooters from 8+ guys to make those things work. We are seeing it. Knicks as a team needed a few more guys (Clarkson, Yabu) or just all of them being healthy (Deuce, Mitch, Shamet) or just the next evolution of some players (Deuce, KAT, Brunson, Mikal).

When watching second half of Minny game, it was the first time I thought the Knicks had both the players and the depth to pull it off and all the guys were on the same page and that page was pretty high level. Easily ECF participant level. Like Spo had a couple months with guys and this is what we are seeing. And it looks super fun and playoff winnable. Still learning of course but absolutely headed in right direction.

Yabu still gotta figure his role and I think we all waiting to see how the bench ball handling and offense goes without Brunson or a more traditional PG to rub offensive sets. Kolek just doesn’t seem to have enough yet.

For me it feels like health will be the biggest determinant for the team long term. They got enough pieces or are razor thin close to it.

Brunson Mikal OG KAT Mitch
Deuce Clarkson Shamet Hart Yabu Huk
Kolek Dadiet Diawara
2ways McCullar Jemison Evbuomwan

It’s a pretty bad ass rotation.

Brunson KAT Mitch are such unique players to scheme against, ungodly tough for opposing teams, and no one has figured out Mitch yet except Embiid falling on him. The depth can kill you if the pace is fast and Knicks don’t get too careless with the ball or the 3point shot eludes the whole team, and they are VERY good from distance with very smart cutters.

Knicks have split on-ball dribbling responsibility away from Brunson and added more ball handlers. They do have more answers for teams putting centers on Hart while stifling KAT with a wing.

IMHO it’s just now about can the Knicks get to the consistency level of OKC or Indy from last year. And not fuck up defensively.

martin @ 11/9/2025 11:34 AM
Shot chart evolution: excellent

martin @ 11/9/2025 11:38 AM
martin @ 11/9/2025 11:42 AM
Also this

martin @ 11/9/2025 2:40 PM
Philc1 @ 11/9/2025 9:24 PM
Uptown wrote:

Good

martin @ 11/9/2025 10:10 PM
HofstraBBall @ 11/10/2025 7:29 AM
martin wrote:

Who would have thunk that if you give a team some time with new toys they will get better.
I remember the start Miami had with Bron and their big three. Media was writing them off by the fifth game.
So far I love the pace and ball movement.
Question will be in bigger games when stars seem to get sticky hands.
I have faith that winning will encourage all players to stay with the system.

blkexec @ 11/10/2025 8:23 AM
martin wrote:

That’s nba2k offense. The corner 3s are like prime real estate on the game. Glad to see Brown using what we have. Using what Leon built. Leon gave Thibs offensive roster and was hoping thibs could make offensive players play hard on defense. But what we needed was an offensive minded coach or 3 like brown on Thibs coaching staff.

nycericanguy @ 11/10/2025 8:39 AM
this really isn't fair to Thibs though, he started last season without Mitch and Shamet and obviously no Clarkson. and with a completely new roster who hadn't gelled yet. Brown has already shortened the rotation to 9 guys, now imagine if you take away 3 of those 9 guys?

Mikal was clearly trying to find his role on this team last season, how much of that is on Thibs? IDK, but its not unusual for new guys to take a bit to acclimate, always said Mikal would be primed for a big year two here.

fishmike @ 11/10/2025 9:47 AM
nycericanguy wrote:this really isn't fair to Thibs though, he started last season without Mitch and Shamet and obviously no Clarkson. and with a completely new roster who hadn't gelled yet. Brown has already shortened the rotation to 9 guys, now imagine if you take away 3 of those 9 guys?

Mikal was clearly trying to find his role on this team last season, how much of that is on Thibs? IDK, but its not unusual for new guys to take a bit to acclimate, always said Mikal would be primed for a big year two here.

right.. with a different roster Thibs fielded a top 5 offense and had us 2 games from the finals.

This is an upgraded roster so I expect another good year. Its all about finishing

SergioNYK @ 11/10/2025 10:08 AM
It's all nice and all right now but let's see if we can actually run this type of offense in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.
martin @ 11/10/2025 10:09 AM
martin @ 11/10/2025 10:11 AM
SergioNYK wrote:It's all nice and all right now but let's see if we can actually run this type of offense in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.

That's the catch with every team. And it's also why you have Brunson and KAT to pick up the offense when team actions are stopped.

SGA and Brunson are there for a reason.

martin @ 11/10/2025 11:27 AM
The transition of Brunson being more off ball with less up the court ball handling may be the key to unlocking this offense, obviously with other stuff going on in addition

martin @ 11/10/2025 1:39 PM
Not bad

Nalod @ 11/10/2025 2:26 PM
martin wrote:Not bad

How many minutes have they been together or % of time?
The Mitch "Conundrum" is solved with a contract that incentivizes a higher salary structure that is based on time on the court. Few doubt his impact as a player. Its his health.
These type of contracts can level havoc on a teams cap numbers as one has to plan for a maximum payout to avoid apron consequences.

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