EwingsGlass wrote:I’m in on Giannis. I’d love to keep Mikal and OG. I’d be more willing to make KAT, Brunson, Hart, Mitch… available.
KAT / Bridges / Dadiet for Giannis / Turner works.
Brunson / Hart for Giannis works straight up. The numbers are surprisingly accurate.
I know “play with Brunson” is the media claim, but for me Bridges / OG / Giannis is the best trio you can end up with in a Giannis based team.
I value guys that play both sides of the ball much higher than anything. I think the sport fundamentally undervalues guys like OG and Mikal.
In my gut I agree with you on the 2-way players and your Bridges/OG/Greek trio potentially being best combo we could have BUT just seems highly unrealistic that Brunson wouldn't be HERE for his career and if I'm Bucks I have ZERO interest in Brunson/Hart package.
While I don't typically like small scoring guards Jalen is very special and has shown to be heart/leader of franchise -- hard to give that up. His impact in Milwaukee wouldn't be nearly the same IMO.
martin wrote:Oh this’ll make it interesting
Is that a real injury of just the Greek negotiating?
Clean wrote:ToddTT wrote:martin wrote:Oh this’ll make it interesting
Offer Mitch + Trevor Keels.
Please don't remind me of the abomination of a draft pick that Trevor Keels was. From the first minutes of watching him play in summer league I did not understand what they saw in him. Still have no idea of a single skill he had at or above an average level.
I had high hopes but watching Keels made me think of guarding over-weight +40 somethings at the gym.
Few young 1st year players looked more out of shape or showing flop sweat in limited minutes than Keels.
jskinny35 wrote:I could easily part with KAT, Hart, Mitch, Hukiporti, Kolek, Yabu, Clarkson (and only if needed Deuce) + picks but would not move OG if traded with KAT. I realize Milw can easily get a better deal but really thinks keeping Brunson means we need OG to stay. Love Hart as he is the glue but we can't really play effectively with Hart and Giannis both being subpar outside shooters (yes Hart has shot well lately but historically not that great). I would rather move KAT in the Phx deal Narddog proposed and add depth with Brooks, Grayson and Nic Richards.
Wish Phoenix weren't playing so tough/well right now as they would be a nice destination for Kat (given Booker relationship).
Would love to get hands on Brooks, Gillespie (perfect back-up PG), Dunn and their other young big (Iodora - spelling?).
SergioNYK wrote:I know it's a little different then LeBum in 2010 and KD in 2019 cause Giannis is rumored to 'want' to come here but I'm not getting my hopes up or allowing my brain and emotions to entertain this too much cause it seems way too difficult to execute. It just doesn't make any sense for Milwaukee from a financial and asset standpoint. We do not have the draft capital or the young players to make this work. And I just do not see a third team willing to jump in and send picks and young players to the Bucks either for our stuff. Plus we are not the Lakers. Nobody helps us when it comes to these things. And I highly doubt the Bucks want players like KAT or OG anyway. And does a Giannis trade really makes us better if it severely weakens the depth and bench? Would Giannis be willing to play Center? Cause Giannis and Mitch wouldn't work too well with spacing. Does Giannis even work with the Captain? When I think about it, as great as Giannis is, he's not a plug in play star like LeBum or KD. You kind of need to have specific skillsets and build around him.
So I'd put the Giannis traded here to about 1%.
Yeah - I've watched a bunch of Giannis this year after the news this summer of interest in Knicks.
While he's obviously great - he is totally ball dominant in the 1/2 court and if no ball in his hands he's standing/resting for most part.
Having seen how poorly the Greek/Dame combo worked it is reasonable to wonder how Greek/Jelen would work. Also - given how Jalen really hasn't raised Kat up in the 2 man game and Kat's a shooter it would be interesting to see Jalen/Greek.
Major things that could be a positive - Jalen would respect Giannis more, Jalen showing ability to play off ball, Greek major upgrade to Kat defensively so better able to hide Jalen vs trying to hide Jalen & Kat.
It's not clear we will be significantly better post a Giannis trade but biggest thing for me is Kat being very suspect as 2nd best player.
I don't care how many big games he has against Brooklyn/Charlotte I care more about dumb plays in big spots. On that front I think you know what you are going to get with Giannis in big spots.
Knicks can offer Towns, Deuce and a future pick. Then sign CP3
Philc1 wrote:Knicks can offer Towns, Deuce and a future pick. Then sign CP3
I think the Knicks are out of first picks to trade but I could be wrong on that, and that'll change after this season is over near draft time (2026, 2033?). Maybe they got swaps left but those don't amount to much I'd guess.
Lots of second rounders
More conspiracy theories!!!
Hate to think about it. But the offer is KAT, Hart, Mitch, Kolek & probably another prospect. Not counting whatever other draft capital Knicks are able to work in.
Knicks look to eat Turner's depreciating 4 year contract(available to be traded Dec 15th) by basically swapping him with Hart.
Which either end up a 3 team deal. Which a team offers draft capital for Hart, or Mitch or KAT which gets slid to the Bucks. Or they run a Rollins, Hart, Kuz, Towns, Mitch lineup. And look to trade these pieces eventually over time for draft capital.
Being able to dump Turner's contract and adding pieces like Kat, Hart, Mitch which they can flip for draft capital should be very appealing. Though probably more leg work they they probably would like.
LivingLegend wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:I’m in on Giannis. I’d love to keep Mikal and OG. I’d be more willing to make KAT, Brunson, Hart, Mitch… available.
KAT / Bridges / Dadiet for Giannis / Turner works.
Brunson / Hart for Giannis works straight up. The numbers are surprisingly accurate.
I know “play with Brunson” is the media claim, but for me Bridges / OG / Giannis is the best trio you can end up with in a Giannis based team.
I value guys that play both sides of the ball much higher than anything. I think the sport fundamentally undervalues guys like OG and Mikal.
In my gut I agree with you on the 2-way players and your Bridges/OG/Greek trio potentially being best combo we could have BUT just seems highly unrealistic that Brunson wouldn't be HERE for his career and if I'm Bucks I have ZERO interest in Brunson/Hart package.
While I don't typically like small scoring guards Jalen is very special and has shown to be heart/leader of franchise -- hard to give that up. His impact in Milwaukee wouldn't be nearly the same IMO.
Valid point. Giannis wouldn’t be here to play on Jalen’s team. I’m pretty objectively looking at the Wingstop trio, the flaws in having two 30+ usage ball dominant players, the floor spacing that Brunson loses with Giannis (and or Giannis and Hart, or Giannis, Hart, Mitch).
If you are looking at Giannis and paying a price, I think you are building around Giannis for the remainder of this cycle.
Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?
The more I think about this, the more I come back to the Bucks Championship run. Giannis+ shooters around him. Drive and kick offense. Those sprays that Brown loves. Brunson becomes a spot up shooter. Brown has actually wanted Jalen to do more of that and to play off the ball. KAT does not really drive and dish. It's more operating from the high post or even from behind the line. But Giannis does drive and dish. And does it well
martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?
It only works if 1) Thanasis is thrown in the deal and 2)if Dolan throws in a Kawhi level sponsorship deal to Giannis for the Sphere.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:Knicks can offer Towns, Deuce and a future pick. Then sign CP3
I think the Knicks are out of first picks to trade but I could be wrong on that, and that'll change after this season is over near draft time (2026, 2033?). Maybe they got swaps left but those don't amount to much I'd guess.
Lots of second rounders
They have a first from the wizards if it doesn’t vest due to win/loss (top 8 protected) record it becomes a bunch of seconds.
martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?
He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
newyorknewyork wrote:Hate to think about it. But the offer is KAT, Hart, Mitch, Kolek & probably another prospect. Not counting whatever other draft capital Knicks are able to work in. Knicks look to eat Turner's depreciating 4 year contract(available to be traded Dec 15th) by basically swapping him with Hart.
Which either end up a 3 team deal. Which a team offers draft capital for Hart, or Mitch or KAT which gets slid to the Bucks. Or they run a Rollins, Hart, Kuz, Towns, Mitch lineup. And look to trade these pieces eventually over time for draft capital.
Being able to dump Turner's contract and adding pieces like Kat, Hart, Mitch which they can flip for draft capital should be very appealing. Though probably more leg work they they probably would like.
Pass on that trade. Knicks have to be careful not to over pursue they already have a championship contender roster yes Giannis obviously makes us better but we don’t have great depth to begin with if we give up too much for Giannis you end up with Huk starting at C and no bench, whatsoever.
I think Giannis goes to San Antonio or Lakers anyway
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?
He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?
Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.
I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?
He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?
Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.
I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
I’m sorry but it’s hard to trade core young players for an aging star in the freak. He has a ton of miles on those legs. Still can’t shoot and is 34 yo. If it’s what brings us a chip so be it… if not that could end up being a devastating trade .
I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.
I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
