Knicks · Giannis trade watch (page 4)
I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.
I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
fitzfarm wrote:I’m sorry but it’s hard to trade core young players for an aging star in the freak. He has a ton of miles on those legs. Still can’t shoot and is 34 yo. If it’s what brings us a chip so be it… if not that could end up being a devastating trade .I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
You are right. But then we would have to be set on resigning Towns and covering up for his weakness like Minnesota did. I wonder how the offense would look tho if we did trade for Giannis
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
It's a complete flip from what the Knicks do, so it's another tough transition.
If you have non shooting PF in Giannis with Mitch, how does the offense operate? Jalen's ability to get to rim is very very tough.
You would need to find another 5 who could shoot 3's.
I actually can't figure out how that particular lineup would work
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
It's a complete flip from what the Knicks do, so it's another tough transition.
If you have non shooting PF in Giannis with Mitch, how does the offense operate? Jalen's ability to get to rim is very very tough.
You would need to find another 5 who could shoot 3's.
I actually can't figure out how that particular lineup would work
It's a spacing nightmare. Pretty sure Giannis operates best in a 4-1 setup. Him in the paint and 4 three point shooters outside.So the Center needs to shoot 3, like Bropez did and now Turner do
ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
It's a complete flip from what the Knicks do, so it's another tough transition.
If you have non shooting PF in Giannis with Mitch, how does the offense operate? Jalen's ability to get to rim is very very tough.
You would need to find another 5 who could shoot 3's.
I actually can't figure out how that particular lineup would work
It's a spacing nightmare. Pretty sure Giannis operates best in a 4-1 setup. Him in the paint and 4 three point shooters outside.So the Center needs to shoot 3, like Bropez did and now Turner do
Right, unless you have Giannis at the 5. With like a OG Mikal Deuce Brunson lineup.
martin wrote:ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
It's a complete flip from what the Knicks do, so it's another tough transition.
If you have non shooting PF in Giannis with Mitch, how does the offense operate? Jalen's ability to get to rim is very very tough.
You would need to find another 5 who could shoot 3's.
I actually can't figure out how that particular lineup would work
It's a spacing nightmare. Pretty sure Giannis operates best in a 4-1 setup. Him in the paint and 4 three point shooters outside.So the Center needs to shoot 3, like Bropez did and now Turner doRight, unless you have Giannis at the 5. With like a OG Mikal Deuce Brunson lineup.
That lineup with him at the 5 actually looks deadly
fitzfarm wrote:I’m sorry but it’s hard to trade core young players for an aging star in the freak. He has a ton of miles on those legs. Still can’t shoot and is 34 yo. If it’s what brings us a chip so be it… if not that could end up being a devastating trade .I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
Some valid points here, but clarification needed. Giannis turns 31 tomorrow. Add a few more years onto the timeline.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:Knicks can offer Towns, Deuce and a future pick. Then sign CP3I think the Knicks are out of first picks to trade but I could be wrong on that, and that'll change after this season is over near draft time (2026, 2033?). Maybe they got swaps left but those don't amount to much I'd guess.
Lots of second rounders
Yeah - think I read we have the Wiz pick which will convert to 2nds. Outside of that we have 3 or 4 pick swaps we could send (can’t trade future 1’s due to Stephan rule and Mikal traded picks). Also have like 8 2nd rounders that could be traded.
martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?
I think that’s right in small/medium doses but if we were to bring back a shooting big (assuming Kat goes) like a Turner or some older vet like B Lopez then Greek can play some PF.
Problem with him at center is again we have weak wing rebounders in OG/Mikal - though Hart makes up for that some but kills us on spacing next to Greek.
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
Kat starts as our center and the way Mitch looks would end as our center so barring a center coming back and Kat going out Giannis would be our starting center. Nobody is counting on Mitch - not even to tie his shoe laces,
Philc1 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Hate to think about it. But the offer is KAT, Hart, Mitch, Kolek & probably another prospect. Not counting whatever other draft capital Knicks are able to work in.Knicks look to eat Turner's depreciating 4 year contract(available to be traded Dec 15th) by basically swapping him with Hart.
Which either end up a 3 team deal. Which a team offers draft capital for Hart, or Mitch or KAT which gets slid to the Bucks. Or they run a Rollins, Hart, Kuz, Towns, Mitch lineup. And look to trade these pieces eventually over time for draft capital.
Being able to dump Turner's contract and adding pieces like Kat, Hart, Mitch which they can flip for draft capital should be very appealing. Though probably more leg work they they probably would like.
Pass on that trade. Knicks have to be careful not to over pursue they already have a championship contender roster yes Giannis obviously makes us better but we don’t have great depth to begin with if we give up too much for Giannis you end up with Huk starting at C and no bench, whatsoever.
I think Giannis goes to San Antonio or Lakers anyway
Outside of the small stretch post OG trade and pre Randle injury and subsequent trade have the Knicks played like a title contender.
Yes we are good but in no way, shape or form are we title contenders with current squad.
Giannis may or may not help but he’s at least a legit superstar who shows up when it counts.
I agree with your premise we can’t give up too much but again we are flawed as is.
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
I agree with Nalod in regard to Mitch — hard to count on him and the term conceptual serviceable center is a key for this team. Right now Mitch doesn’t function offensively and Kat doesn’t function defensively—- would be ideal if deal is swung to come out of it with a center who can legit fit next to Greek so he’s not only / primary center.
Mitch next to Greek is clunky as hell and we can’t play Mitch in clutch due to hack a Mitch.
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
If you dislike that lineup that’s an interesting contrarian planet you are lost in.
Its a planet were adults talk it thru. I said I Was not sure I loved it. You did nothing to add to it. See how others chimed in like adults to discuss it? No insults? Just talk hoop.
While its hardly an argument Giannis is and has been a notch above KAT, there are trade ramifications to other pieces being moved and the money aspects. What a roster looks like in the aftermath would matter beyond Giannis.
NO, I don't love Giannis/Mitch combo with him as PF thru the playoffs. Not sure I hate it either. Giannis at center is more logical. Maybe Im still in the camp KAT is not awful.
Its not that im not sold on GIannis as a knick. Its how it all fits together im not sold on.
ramtour420 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I’m sorry but it’s hard to trade core young players for an aging star in the freak. He has a ton of miles on those legs. Still can’t shoot and is 34 yo. If it’s what brings us a chip so be it… if not that could end up being a devastating trade .I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
You are right. But then we would have to be set on resigning Towns and covering up for his weakness like Minnesota did. I wonder how the offense would look tho if we did trade for Giannis
Valid points but if we do nothing — I don’t view us as serious contenders either defensively or on boards.
The Aaron Rodgers comp is a bit of a reach as Greek is 31 and still throwing up 30/10/10 season averages.
Is there risk - ABSOLUTELY. Will he fall apart physically - MAYBE.
But if we can put together a reasonable deal maybe with 2 key players going out but other non-Greek pieces coming back to us that help —- I’d rather take my chance with 2 GREAT players vs counting on Kat to play Robin.
Now - I might be more apt to move Kat somewhere else outside of Giannis trade if we could find something that boosts our D without killing our offense. I like Kat but don’t trust him —- seems to dominate shitty teams.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Giannis on the Knicks only really works if he is willing to play C?He would primarily be in KAT’s slot at PF.
If so, assuming KAT is the primary asset moved, how does the line up look?
JB
MIkal
OG
Giannis
Mitch?Not sure I love this.
Reality is while Giannis can say he wants Knicks and only knicks he does not have a no trade clause and not heading into his option year.
Teams like Rockets and Thunder can make far better offer than us for likley what they want in return and still compete for a chip.
If bodies are being traded we need to move MItch as part of a bigger deal and bring a conceptual servicable center in return.I can't imagine giannis faked an injury like that. If he going into diva tank mode you wake up with tendanitius and say you can't play. Not sit down on the court and do a "Actors studio" thespian master class.
From a starphuch perspective this "Giannis to knicks" is kind of fun to ponder about on!
I would prefer to believe he faked it because if that is a legitimate calf strain I would need to know more about the location to ensure it isn't the KD precursor to an eventual achilles injury.
Brunson
KAT
Hart
For
Giannis
Turner
Kuzma
Deuce / Clarkson
Bridges / [Dink?]
OG / Kuzma
Giannis / Yabu
Turner / Mitch / Huk
Got a few gaps. That defense would be stifling though 1-5. That second unit would be gunslinging mayhem with low eFG.
LivingLegend wrote:ramtour420 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I’m sorry but it’s hard to trade core young players for an aging star in the freak. He has a ton of miles on those legs. Still can’t shoot and is 34 yo. If it’s what brings us a chip so be it… if not that could end up being a devastating trade .I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
You are right. But then we would have to be set on resigning Towns and covering up for his weakness like Minnesota did. I wonder how the offense would look tho if we did trade for Giannis
Valid points but if we do nothing — I don’t view us as serious contenders either defensively or on boards.
The Aaron Rodgers comp is a bit of a reach as Greek is 31 and still throwing up 30/10/10 season averages.
Is there risk - ABSOLUTELY. Will he fall apart physically - MAYBE.
But if we can put together a reasonable deal maybe with 2 key players going out but other non-Greek pieces coming back to us that help —- I’d rather take my chance with 2 GREAT players vs counting on Kat to play Robin.
Now - I might be more apt to move Kat somewhere else outside of Giannis trade if we could find something that boosts our D without killing our offense. I like Kat but don’t trust him —- seems to dominate shitty teams.
My bad I thought he was 34 but 31 changes my mind a little bit… could we convince them into a OG and Mitch for the Greek?
fitzfarm wrote:LivingLegend wrote:ramtour420 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I’m sorry but it’s hard to trade core young players for an aging star in the freak. He has a ton of miles on those legs. Still can’t shoot and is 34 yo. If it’s what brings us a chip so be it… if not that could end up being a devastating trade .I’d do Kat and a few picks. I wouldn’t add anything more. Also there contracts match up perfectly .
But you have to ask yourself if that’s worth a trade? Kat is just getting into his prime age years he’s a better shooter and rebounder. Honestly he’s the best center we’ve seen in a Knick uniform since Ewing . His stats are insane …
The Greek is putting up big numbers on a terrible team. He will not average 30pts on this knicks roster … and we will see a rapid decline in production.
This would be a boom or bust trade that could potentially see our GM get canned over. Especially if it doesn’t get us a chip this year. If it does give us a chip then it will look brilliant.I think you need to ask yourself if you trade Kat for the Greek will this roster beat the thunder to win a chip?
If the answer is yes you do it … if it’s a idk or a no then there’s no point in making this trade especially if we have to give up more then the best center in the league in Kat .
We shouldn’t give up any other talent than one core player for an aging Greek. And there’s not another team that can offer a better player than Kat for an aging star that only has a few good years left in the tank.
To me this has Aaron Rogers to the jets kinda vibe.
You are right. But then we would have to be set on resigning Towns and covering up for his weakness like Minnesota did. I wonder how the offense would look tho if we did trade for Giannis
Valid points but if we do nothing — I don’t view us as serious contenders either defensively or on boards.
The Aaron Rodgers comp is a bit of a reach as Greek is 31 and still throwing up 30/10/10 season averages.
Is there risk - ABSOLUTELY. Will he fall apart physically - MAYBE.
But if we can put together a reasonable deal maybe with 2 key players going out but other non-Greek pieces coming back to us that help —- I’d rather take my chance with 2 GREAT players vs counting on Kat to play Robin.
Now - I might be more apt to move Kat somewhere else outside of Giannis trade if we could find something that boosts our D without killing our offense. I like Kat but don’t trust him —- seems to dominate shitty teams.
My bad I thought he was 34 but 31 changes my mind a little bit… could we convince them into a OG and Mitch for the Greek?
Logically it would be either a multitude of picks for a total rebuild or a similar value player, preferably playing the same spot
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