Knicks · Cup Final Game: Knicks vs Spurs (Not OKC!) 12/16 8:30 (Prime) (page 11)

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I know it sounds kind of crazy to say but I was listening to Lowe pod and they think making a Giannis move would actually have high potential to backfire. The chemistry and depth is really good on this team. It's hard to break it up - seismic moves don't always make you better, especially when they deplete the depth. Getting one more wing/big might be all we need. Beating OKC will be a long shot anyway, but this team has a shot against anyone. Giannis is almost 32 and getting injury prone, been hurt in the last few playoffs. Our guys are 3-4 years younger and our team is a contender. IDK if that's something you mess with.

I also want no part of trading Kolek for a more seasoned guard like Alvarado. Kolek can do his job just fine and we have plenty of guard depth.

i agree, but if its straight up for KAT + filler it;s hard to pass that up.

but i'm fine where we are, we beat a healthy defending champs BOS team last year and we have a much better overall team this year.

i'm not even sure I trade Kolek for DDV at this point. Kolek has that TJ scrappy energy and he's a legit pure PG which is something this roster doesn't have. He makes some really great passes and reads out there. He's also young, hungry and cheap.

Yabu + Dadiet + the WSH picks should be able to get us a really good $10m ish player.

I agree that KAT + filler would be hard to pass up, but our chemistry with KAT is starting to gel so it is very risky to eff with that.

Giannis is an upgrade on defense and he makes fewer dumb mistakes than KAT (and he is treated like a god by the refs).

Giannis would not lead the league in scoring with our squad. We have too many mouths to feed.

But I enjoy watching Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce and Kolek so much I really don't want any of them to go.

And we're already the best team in the East with plenty of room for improvement.

I think the only question to ask about a Giannis trade is:

Does he help us beat OKC and the other top teams in the West in the Finals?

If you think we can slay OKC with KAT then maybe we should roll with this current roster.

Anyone else notice that after the final buzzer the whole team started celebrating on the court... except the Captain who immediately walked over and shook everyone on the Spurs hand? Talk about a class act.

gradyandrew wrote:Anyone else notice that after the final buzzer the whole team started celebrating on the court... except the Captain who immediately walked over and shook everyone on the Spurs hand? Talk about a class act.

Indeed

And all of the Spurs reciprocated except Wemby who ignored Brunson as he walked by. Jalen patted him on the chest for good measure.

EDIT: Just read Wemby's grandmother died earlier in the day so he was legit sad.

gradyandrew wrote:Anyone else notice that after the final buzzer the whole team started celebrating on the court... except the Captain who immediately walked over and shook everyone on the Spurs hand? Talk about a class act.

Yeah, I was really impressed by it. There is an excellent story. When judo was added to the Olympics there was a year when the Japanese favorite to take gold participated with a major injury and lost. The Dutch winner of the match stretched his arms to stop his team from running onto the tatami. This was out of respect for the opponent, which is deeply ingrained in judo.

martin wrote:Why does Luke Kornet kill the Knicks

Probably because the Knicks let him walk in 2019 for nothing and it gives him a little extra motivation. I never understood that decision to just let him walk. I liked his potential as a stretch big. I thought they were going to keep him and develop him as Mitch's backup. However, they let him walk for nothing despite him have some nice games at the time. Interesting that he and KP would form a championship frontcourt in Boston. I guess that was the one thing that the Phil Jackson regime got right.

BlueKnickers wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I know it sounds kind of crazy to say but I was listening to Lowe pod and they think making a Giannis move would actually have high potential to backfire. The chemistry and depth is really good on this team. It's hard to break it up - seismic moves don't always make you better, especially when they deplete the depth. Getting one more wing/big might be all we need. Beating OKC will be a long shot anyway, but this team has a shot against anyone. Giannis is almost 32 and getting injury prone, been hurt in the last few playoffs. Our guys are 3-4 years younger and our team is a contender. IDK if that's something you mess with.

I also want no part of trading Kolek for a more seasoned guard like Alvarado. Kolek can do his job just fine and we have plenty of guard depth.

i agree, but if its straight up for KAT + filler it;s hard to pass that up.

but i'm fine where we are, we beat a healthy defending champs BOS team last year and we have a much better overall team this year.

i'm not even sure I trade Kolek for DDV at this point. Kolek has that TJ scrappy energy and he's a legit pure PG which is something this roster doesn't have. He makes some really great passes and reads out there. He's also young, hungry and cheap.

Yabu + Dadiet + the WSH picks should be able to get us a really good $10m ish player.

I agree that KAT + filler would be hard to pass up, but our chemistry with KAT is starting to gel so it is very risky to eff with that.

Giannis is an upgrade on defense and he makes fewer dumb mistakes than KAT (and he is treated like a god by the refs).

Giannis would not lead the league in scoring with our squad. We have too many mouths to feed.

But I enjoy watching Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce and Kolek so much I really don't want any of them to go.

And we're already the best team in the East with plenty of room for improvement.

I think the only question to ask about a Giannis trade is:

Does he help us beat OKC and the other top teams in the West in the Finals?

If you think we can slay OKC with KAT then maybe we should roll with this current roster.

If there was a KAT/Giannis swap with extras, either the Knicks as a team or Giannis would have to majorly change their game. Giannis usage is 37%. KAT usage is 26%. Brunson is at 31%.

The Knicks would probably turn from an offensive heavy team to something more even between defense and offense.

Knicks would gain an elite driver. Knicks would gain ball handling. Knicks would gain defense.

Knicks would lose spacing. No idea how that would effect Brunson, OG, Mikal, Hart as cutters and mid range but think more in line with iHart and Randle version of Knicks.

Knicks would presumably lose depth.

I'd guess that Giannis would need to really change his game to fit into what the Knicks got going on instead of the other way around?

Even in a 1-for-1 swap this year, it's a bet on being able to adjust and fit going into the last stretch of the season, big risk I think.

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gradyandrew wrote:Anyone else notice that after the final buzzer the whole team started celebrating on the court... except the Captain who immediately walked over and shook everyone on the Spurs hand? Talk about a class act.

That's the GULF of difference in class between Brunson, the consummate professional gentleman, and a punk ass bitch like Haliburton.

Panos wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Anyone else notice that after the final buzzer the whole team started celebrating on the court... except the Captain who immediately walked over and shook everyone on the Spurs hand? Talk about a class act.

That's the GULF of difference in class between Brunson, the consummate professional gentleman, and a punk ass bitch like Haliburton.

Truth

martin wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I know it sounds kind of crazy to say but I was listening to Lowe pod and they think making a Giannis move would actually have high potential to backfire. The chemistry and depth is really good on this team. It's hard to break it up - seismic moves don't always make you better, especially when they deplete the depth. Getting one more wing/big might be all we need. Beating OKC will be a long shot anyway, but this team has a shot against anyone. Giannis is almost 32 and getting injury prone, been hurt in the last few playoffs. Our guys are 3-4 years younger and our team is a contender. IDK if that's something you mess with.

I also want no part of trading Kolek for a more seasoned guard like Alvarado. Kolek can do his job just fine and we have plenty of guard depth.

i agree, but if its straight up for KAT + filler it;s hard to pass that up.

but i'm fine where we are, we beat a healthy defending champs BOS team last year and we have a much better overall team this year.

i'm not even sure I trade Kolek for DDV at this point. Kolek has that TJ scrappy energy and he's a legit pure PG which is something this roster doesn't have. He makes some really great passes and reads out there. He's also young, hungry and cheap.

Yabu + Dadiet + the WSH picks should be able to get us a really good $10m ish player.

I agree that KAT + filler would be hard to pass up, but our chemistry with KAT is starting to gel so it is very risky to eff with that.

Giannis is an upgrade on defense and he makes fewer dumb mistakes than KAT (and he is treated like a god by the refs).

Giannis would not lead the league in scoring with our squad. We have too many mouths to feed.

But I enjoy watching Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce and Kolek so much I really don't want any of them to go.

And we're already the best team in the East with plenty of room for improvement.

I think the only question to ask about a Giannis trade is:

Does he help us beat OKC and the other top teams in the West in the Finals?

If you think we can slay OKC with KAT then maybe we should roll with this current roster.

If there was a KAT/Giannis swap with extras, either the Knicks as a team or Giannis would have to majorly change their game. Giannis usage is 37%. KAT usage is 26%. Brunson is at 31%.

The Knicks would probably turn from an offensive heavy team to something more even between defense and offense.

Knicks would gain an elite driver. Knicks would gain ball handling. Knicks would gain defense.

Knicks would lose spacing. No idea how that would effect Brunson, OG, Mikal, Hart as cutters and mid range but think more in line with iHart and Randle version of Knicks.

Knicks would presumably lose depth.

I'd guess that Giannis would need to really change his game to fit into what the Knicks got going on instead of the other way around?

Even in a 1-for-1 swap this year, it's a bet on being able to adjust and fit going into the last stretch of the season, big risk I think.

Giannis has had seasons with usage in the low 30's, and KAT has had seasons in the very high 20's.

It's all about who's around them. Giannis is very high this year but he has no one. He's never had a core like he would have here. I think he'd settle into a similar low 30's/high 20's usage.

It's a huge risk either way, but Giannis when healthy is arguably the best player in the NBA, and a TWO WAY player at that. I mean my goodness he averaged 30/12/7 on 60% shooting last season. Sure we lose spacing, but we gain so much more. We lose spacing with Mitch out there over KAT as well, but I'll tell you what, if Mitch could be counted on to play 30mpg and 65+ games like KAT does, call me crazy but I'd take Mitch over KAT. I'd take KP over KAT too if KP could do the same.

Was out of the US but was able to catch second half.
Great to see the Knicks put it together and have a true “team” win!
Congrats!!