And I'm not going to unload as hard on Brunson right now, but it would be a bad assumption to think he can elevate this team by himself. He's not that kind of guy. Being clutch is cool, but that is something entirely different and only useful if you have the full foundation in place to contend for a ring. He's not quite a leader that some people think he is. He's pretty much a SG playing PG and it does not always lead to an effective offense as a whole. He's not a plus defender so as long as he tries to play D I'm already inclined to give him a pass for that compared to the other starters. But our offensive chemistry is completely hit and miss with no consistency and often with zero cohesion. Part of it is how Brunson plays and some of it may be Brown not running plays for the other guys, especially KAT. That first half was a joke for KAT. How can he not be fed the PnR at least half a dozen times a game? If Brunson can't bring himself to make it happen, then Brown needs to make him do it.
24 assists is just not good enough against a great defense. That and getting out rebounder is a sure loss
We will struggle against the Pistons and OKC because we lost out toughness identity with Thibs. Maybe Brown can eventually figure out a new identity but that has always been the question with him - he can coach but things always go south sooner than later with him. And it doesn't help you have Brunson and KAT with poor offensive games while they give you so little defensively.
We should be #4 in a few days, and possibly #5 soon after that.
Last year we could blame injuries and needing to build chemistry.
This year we’re just showing what we are.
Yesterday really sucked. At first I didn’t care if we won the game, but then eventually got annoyed because it felt like we should have been easily winning that game. They missed so many open threes that it was getting frustrating. We definitely have a more talented roster, but so far it looks like they’re the better team. I would like to see one thing though, and I know it’s alot to ask of a rookie, but I would’ve liked to see Diawara run the point for a few minutes in a lineup like:
Diawara
Shamet
OG
Sochan
KAT
Then just switch everything on defense. Run everything through the post on offense. Curious to see how the Pistons would have responded to that one.
ToddTT wrote:We should be #4 in a few days, and possibly #5 soon after that.Last year we could blame injuries and needing to build chemistry.
This year we’re just showing what we are.
Despite what the curmudgeons on WFAN have been saying for 25 years the NBA regular season is important. The Knicks getting the 2 seed is HUGE this year they need to start accumulating W’s.
fitzfarm wrote:How many wide open threes are we going to miss
It's been the story for the Knicks for many years...we do not have any consistant shooters we can depend on except Brunson. Also, we're lacking a big man who can take it to the basket in traffic. KAT looks like a uncoordinated oversized grade schooler when he tries. We miss DEVO...could have been our dependable 3 point shooter.
Hopefully this lights a fire under some asses
I don’t know how many people remember Robert Parrish but I swear everyone of his interviews stressed the importance of playing the full 48 minutes. Knicks would benefit from adopting that advice. They are not good enough to simply turn it on
If Brown wanted my advice he would severely limit Jose’s minutes when playing Detroit. He’d be better served playing sochan and mo against Cade than having Jose out there. Also he may want to consider belichek strategy of finding a way to better address the other teams best player. I mean honestly you stop Cade and you stop Detroit. Not saying that’s easy to do but the strategy is simple. I was hoping OG or Mikal was up to the task.
I’ll say it again, We need a PG who makes others better. Despite 8 dimes, Brunson seldom sets others up for easy shots. Most are off double teams and not from a desired focus. We spent a lot of money on KAT, OG and Bridges. There are many games where their only offense comes from forcing it themselves . JB is one of the best clutch players we have had. Great scorer. But he has to find a way to get others in the game early and ready to help.
Pistons have a whole bunch of big athletic dogs.
We have a short alpha, $55m soft pussy KAT and two other high priced players who I sometimes wonder if they have a pulse. (Frustration and fear we don’t do anything in playoffs talking. )
If these guys don’t get it going, which I expect they will, I’ll start my rebuild with Hart and Jose and bring back guys like Randle, IHart and Divo. Despite their flaws, they seemed to be ready for a dog fight every night.
Hoping we don’t shoot 22% from three in the next one. Which is our usual reason for losing.
ccch wrote:fitzfarm wrote:How many wide open threes are we going to miss
It's been the story for the Knicks for many years...we do not have any consistant shooters we can depend on except Brunson. Also, we're lacking a big man who can take it to the basket in traffic. KAT looks like a uncoordinated oversized grade schooler when he tries. We miss DEVO...could have been our dependable 3 point shooter.
KAT shouldn’t have to be dribbling. Brown needs to scheme a way to get him the ball in the paint not at the 3 point line not at the top of the key. If Brown can’t do it why was he hired?
KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.
Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
DLeethal wrote:Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
Fear is that we lack the physicality. Something you need to beat this type of team.
HofstraBBall wrote:DLeethal wrote:Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
Fear is that we lack the physicality. Something you need to beat this type of team.
100%
DLeethal wrote:Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
agree 100%. Plus they (particularly Cade) were hitting their shots better than expected.
DLeethal wrote:Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
Yeah we’ve been here before. No one gave us a shot at beating the Celtics last year who also went 4-0 against us in the regular season. ESPN is already declaring our season over.
Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
Yeah we’ve been here before. No one gave us a shot at beating the Celtics last year who also went 4-0 against us in the regular season. ESPN is already declaring our season over.
Celts didn't beat us up and stand there smiling each game - they outshot us and outhustled us. To beat the Pistons we need to hit back and I don't see enough guys on our roster with that mentality.
SergioNYK wrote:KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.
How should he be used? Let him shoot 10 3's per game? Or maybe let him drive from the 3 point land 10 times per game? Let him ISO 10 times per game? What is your solution?
I think he should be getting 10 assists per game. He has the skill for it. Every time he has the ball palmed in his hand behind the 3 point line and everyone on the team( Brunson I am looking at you ,in particular because you are the leader), just starts looking down at the floor like they lost their keys I am fking screaming at the monitor " CUT TO THE BASKET YOU FKING TOOLS" This is on Brown
jskinny35 wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Pistons are better than us but I still wouldn't put it past us to win a series against them ala Boston last year. Playoffs are just different. We missed a ton of open shots yesterday, it wasn't all about their defense. How many wide open no one even in sight 3s did OG alone miss?
Yeah we’ve been here before. No one gave us a shot at beating the Celtics last year who also went 4-0 against us in the regular season. ESPN is already declaring our season over.
Celts didn't beat us up and stand there smiling each game - they outshot us and outhustled us. To beat the Pistons we need to hit back and I don't see enough guys on our roster with that mentality.
Long time long time suffering combat veteran Knicks fan here. I was there in 1992 when the bulls who swept us 4-0 during the regular season after sweeping us in the playoffs year before with Michael and Scottie both in their primes and referees kissing their asses nightly we beat them in their building game 1 and took it to 7 games. Been there for other upsets in the playoffs as well where we didn’t even have home court advantage like Heat in 1998, 1999 and 2000 and Pacers in 1999.
The media loves to declare seasons over based on the outcomes of regular season games. Yes this Pistons team is tough I have a lot of respect for them I didn’t want to face them last year in the playoffs but don’t count us out.
ramtour420 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.
How should he be used? Let him shoot 10 3's per game? Or maybe let him drive from the 3 point land 10 times per game? Let him ISO 10 times per game? What is your solution?
Figure out a way to get him the ball in the crease. Even at full strength the pistons don’t have the ability to stop KAT in the paint without hacking him
Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.
How should he be used? Let him shoot 10 3's per game? Or maybe let him drive from the 3 point land 10 times per game? Let him ISO 10 times per game? What is your solution?
Figure out a way to get him the ball in the crease. Even at full strength the pistons don’t have the ability to stop KAT in the paint without hacking him
They will hack him. He will flail and complain. No points will be put on the scoreboard. Next solution please
