ramtour420 wrote:ToddTT wrote:SergioNYK wrote:ToddTT wrote:NYKBocker wrote:
Always with the drama. I can’t believe we had a teenage girl for a center.
I doubt this played into the decision not to go over the 2nd apron and give Mitch a long term deal but it is very annoying to me as a fan and I absolutely despise it when grown men act like teenage girls on social media. It says a lot about their mental toughness and character imo. Like you would NEVEER see Brunson do something like this! Mitch is one of those guys who should delete social media or make it private cause it makes him look immature and childish.
The people around him have failed him on the mental health front.
Luckily 47 million bucks can make up for some of that.
He didn't want WHAT to happen? Get payed on a different team? Then why did he do it? I wish he could just be honest, but I am pretty sure he himself isn't being truthful to HIMSELF. Just say, yeah I got payed, yeah I traded all of you for a payday. Just be fking honest bro. The truth might come out, GTFOH
No clue what happened behind the scenes. But if we are, in fact, determined not to go into the second apron, would you really be surprised if we didn't make an offer?
Very disappointed, but I'll trust the FO knows what they're doing better then I do.
MaTT4281 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:ToddTT wrote:SergioNYK wrote:ToddTT wrote:NYKBocker wrote:
Always with the drama. I can’t believe we had a teenage girl for a center.
I doubt this played into the decision not to go over the 2nd apron and give Mitch a long term deal but it is very annoying to me as a fan and I absolutely despise it when grown men act like teenage girls on social media. It says a lot about their mental toughness and character imo. Like you would NEVEER see Brunson do something like this! Mitch is one of those guys who should delete social media or make it private cause it makes him look immature and childish.
The people around him have failed him on the mental health front.
Luckily 47 million bucks can make up for some of that.
He didn't want WHAT to happen? Get payed on a different team? Then why did he do it? I wish he could just be honest, but I am pretty sure he himself isn't being truthful to HIMSELF. Just say, yeah I got payed, yeah I traded all of you for a payday. Just be fking honest bro. The truth might come out, GTFOH
No clue what happened behind the scenes. But if we are, in fact, determined not to go into the second apron, would you really be surprised if we didn't make an offer?
Very disappointed, but I'll trust the FO knows what they're doing better then I do.
I wouldn't be surprised only if we hadn't cleared some capspace. That 8 mil was all his , I believe. But, of course, we don't really know.What he took was not a team friendly deal. He is not a starter. Shamet and Alvarado took team friendly deals.
This makes me sad but the non emotional take in me says this contract was not a wise one for us to give. Mitch played like 12mpg in the playoffs for us. Hard to replace what he does but he’s not going to sink the ship. It hurts to picture him getting booed though.
ramtour420 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:ToddTT wrote:SergioNYK wrote:ToddTT wrote:NYKBocker wrote:
Always with the drama. I can’t believe we had a teenage girl for a center.
I doubt this played into the decision not to go over the 2nd apron and give Mitch a long term deal but it is very annoying to me as a fan and I absolutely despise it when grown men act like teenage girls on social media. It says a lot about their mental toughness and character imo. Like you would NEVEER see Brunson do something like this! Mitch is one of those guys who should delete social media or make it private cause it makes him look immature and childish.
The people around him have failed him on the mental health front.
Luckily 47 million bucks can make up for some of that.
He didn't want WHAT to happen? Get payed on a different team? Then why did he do it? I wish he could just be honest, but I am pretty sure he himself isn't being truthful to HIMSELF. Just say, yeah I got payed, yeah I traded all of you for a payday. Just be fking honest bro. The truth might come out, GTFOH
No clue what happened behind the scenes. But if we are, in fact, determined not to go into the second apron, would you really be surprised if we didn't make an offer?
Very disappointed, but I'll trust the FO knows what they're doing better then I do.
I wouldn't be surprised only if we hadn't cleared some capspace. That 8 mil was all his , I believe. But, of course, we don't really know.What he took was not a team friendly deal. He is not a starter. Shamet and Alvarado took team friendly deals.
Looking at the cap, Knicks might have only been able to offer 6 million per if they wanted to stay under the cap- and that's with bringing in both picks on regular minimum contracts.
Y1 (2026–27): $6,920,560 (eats all remaining apron room)
Y2 (2027–28): $6,920,560 + $553,645 = $7,474,205
Y3 (2028–29): $7,474,205 + $553,645 = $8,027,850
Y4 (2029–30): $8,027,850 + $553,645 = $8,581,495
Total: ~$31,004,110 over 4 years.
gradyandrew wrote:ramtour420 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:ToddTT wrote:SergioNYK wrote:ToddTT wrote:NYKBocker wrote:
Always with the drama. I can’t believe we had a teenage girl for a center.
I doubt this played into the decision not to go over the 2nd apron and give Mitch a long term deal but it is very annoying to me as a fan and I absolutely despise it when grown men act like teenage girls on social media. It says a lot about their mental toughness and character imo. Like you would NEVEER see Brunson do something like this! Mitch is one of those guys who should delete social media or make it private cause it makes him look immature and childish.
The people around him have failed him on the mental health front.
Luckily 47 million bucks can make up for some of that.
He didn't want WHAT to happen? Get payed on a different team? Then why did he do it? I wish he could just be honest, but I am pretty sure he himself isn't being truthful to HIMSELF. Just say, yeah I got payed, yeah I traded all of you for a payday. Just be fking honest bro. The truth might come out, GTFOH
No clue what happened behind the scenes. But if we are, in fact, determined not to go into the second apron, would you really be surprised if we didn't make an offer?
Very disappointed, but I'll trust the FO knows what they're doing better then I do.
I wouldn't be surprised only if we hadn't cleared some capspace. That 8 mil was all his , I believe. But, of course, we don't really know.What he took was not a team friendly deal. He is not a starter. Shamet and Alvarado took team friendly deals.
Looking at the cap, Knicks might have only been able to offer 6 million per if they wanted to stay under the cap- and that's with bringing in both picks on regular minimum contracts.
Y1 (2026–27): $6,920,560 (eats all remaining apron room)
Y2 (2027–28): $6,920,560 + $553,645 = $7,474,205
Y3 (2028–29): $7,474,205 + $553,645 = $8,027,850
Y4 (2029–30): $8,027,850 + $553,645 = $8,581,495
Total: ~$31,004,110 over 4 years.
True, it's not 8 it's 7. It would still be waay more than 4.5 Shamet got. And Shamet was just as important off the bench, probably contributed even more
And Jordan Clarkson! Go back and rewatch Game 4 vs. Atlanta. Knicks were on the ropes in the series and Brunson had to leave the game with an injury. Jose and Clarkson come in to steady the ship and the rest is history.
ramtour420 wrote:
True, it's not 8 it's 7. It would still be waay more than 4.5 Shamet got. And Shamet was just as important off the bench, probably contributed even more
You can also plug and play Shamet vs having to use Mitch Rob in only specific circumstances. Mitch was probably upset that even though the Knicks could have paid him more than anyone else, the organization decided to keep their powder dry. It's understandable from both sides. Still Mitch was able to secure one of the more lucrative back up Center contracts in the league. Kudos to Leon- guys who play in NY get paid!
gradyandrew wrote:ramtour420 wrote:
True, it's not 8 it's 7. It would still be waay more than 4.5 Shamet got. And Shamet was just as important off the bench, probably contributed even more
You can also plug and play Shamet vs having to use Mitch Rob in only specific circumstances. Mitch was probably upset that even though the Knicks could have paid him more than anyone else, the organization decided to keep their powder dry. It's understandable from both sides. Still Mitch was able to secure one of the more lucrative back up Center contracts in the league. Kudos to Leon- guys who play in NY get paid!
Pretty sure the Celtics want him to start
Probably right. It always made sense just from a foul limit perspective to have Robinson start. How does that sit with Queta though?
gradyandrew wrote:Probably right. It always made sense just from a foul limit perspective to have Robinson start. How does that sit with Queta though?
Mitch is too brittle and winded to start.
martin wrote:
What a dumb take by minimizing his impact.
jaydh wrote:martin wrote:
What a dumb take by minimizing his impact.
The point is taken that we're still s contending team without him on the floor, and in fact were limited in the minutes we got out of him...but yeah, I agree with you. They were impactful minutes, and opposing teams still had to strategize around him.
The same people brushing off this loss are going to be the same ones complaining about rebounding and an open paint next year, and the irony is they'll never concede Mitch's loss has anything to do with it.
But onto the next either way. Will feel much better once Leon settles on (and gets) his target.
I'm bummed about the loss too, however, when I really think about it logically instead of emotionally, I think the reality is there is a pretty good chance that Mitch does not play out his contract. He has serious, repeated injuries to his ankles, and that he has a much higher probability of a career ending injury in the next couple of years than most other players. I hope it doesn't happen, but FO can't operate on hope. I think there's more stuff behind the scenes that we're not privy too. And kudos to FO for not airing dirty laundry. I think the broken pinky was a thing. I think not being able to improve, nay, to actually REGRESS, at free throws during his 8 years here and being taken out of the game at will with hacking, I think all these things contribute.
What I don't understand is not retaining Huk, if you know you're losing Mitch. At least have SOME big body on the bench. But I'll wait for all the chips to fall.
jaydh wrote:martin wrote:
What a dumb take by minimizing his impact.
It’s funny because honestly, both sides are wrong here.
I’m tired of the doom and gloom for losing Mitch as if he was the main reason we won the chip. He was an important part, with many important minutes and one of the most important rebounds in history. Yes. But he was also having a very subpar postseason, looking out of shape and that is without thinking at his mystery pinky issue and his weird posts.
Mitch will always be remembered and he’ll always be a part of this historic accomplishment.
Now, the Knicks very well than repeat of they do their work and get the right backup center.
Knicksfan wrote:jaydh wrote:martin wrote:
What a dumb take by minimizing his impact.
It’s funny because honestly, both sides are wrong here.
I’m tired of the doom and gloom for losing Mitch as if he was the main reason we won the chip. He was an important part, with many important minutes and one of the most important rebounds in history. Yes. But he was also having a very subpar postseason, looking out of shape and that is without thinking at his mystery pinky issue and his weird posts.
Mitch will always be remembered and he’ll always be a part of this historic accomplishment.
Now, the Knicks very well than repeat of they do their work and get the right backup center.
Agreed.
2nd apron is about the next 3-4 seasons, not just now.
Mitch has value of a kind. He's a provisional player we managed to squeeze the juice out of with load management this year.
All it takes is for the Celtics to mismanage him even for a few games and he can miss half a season just like that. This is Mitch's history.
I am literally waiting to see Mazulla misread Mitch's capacity and play him 30 minutes in consecutive games. See what happens then.
For 10-15 minutes a game, his impact was real, but this overall value in terms of salary is questionable.
He was not worth going over the 2nd considering what it would do to the FO's future roster flexibility.
This is not about Mitch. It is about the 2nd apron. He's not a starter, he's a bench player.
Our FO will work it out with our coaches.
BlueKnickers wrote:Knicksfan wrote:jaydh wrote:martin wrote:
What a dumb take by minimizing his impact.
It’s funny because honestly, both sides are wrong here.
I’m tired of the doom and gloom for losing Mitch as if he was the main reason we won the chip. He was an important part, with many important minutes and one of the most important rebounds in history. Yes. But he was also having a very subpar postseason, looking out of shape and that is without thinking at his mystery pinky issue and his weird posts.
Mitch will always be remembered and he’ll always be a part of this historic accomplishment.
Now, the Knicks very well than repeat of they do their work and get the right backup center.
Agreed.
2nd apron is about the next 3-4 seasons, not just now.
Mitch has value of a kind. He's a provisional player we managed to squeeze the juice out of with load management this year.
All it takes is for the Celtics to mismanage him even for a few games and he can miss half a season just like that. This is Mitch's history.
I am literally waiting to see Mazulla misread Mitch's capacity and play him 30 minutes in consecutive games. See what happens then.
For 10-15 minutes a game, his impact was real, but this overall value in terms of salary is questionable.
He was not worth going over the 2nd considering what it would do to the FO's future roster flexibility.
This is not about Mitch. It is about the 2nd apron. He's not a starter, he's a bench player.
Our FO will work it out with our coaches.
100% I don't know if ppl realize, I know it took me weeks for it to sink in. We just won a title. So that puts us into a different category of teams for the first time like ever. The one where smart guys take paycuts to be here. It's a legit chance to chase a ring. This is not a team where you get " paid" there are 29 other teams for that. Yes, unfortunate for Mitch to have to make that decision this particular year. But also very fortunate for him to have his value at an all time high level. So good for him, he got his payday.
Obviously it sucks losing his defense and rebounding. But I am pretty sure that a bench center can be had for a lot less. Probably at half the salary that Mitch got. Especially for a Championship team.
I think spending $103M between Queta and Mitch is dumb.
BlueKnickers wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I think spending $103M between Queta and Mitch is dumb.
What or Who is Queta?
Sounds like the AI app on my cell phone.
Alpha1971 wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I think spending $103M between Queta and Mitch is dumb.
What or Who is Queta?
Sounds like the AI app on my cell phone.
I thought it meant the hole in the ground left by the impact of a vagina from outer space
