The New York Post reports that the Yankees plan to pursue Mike Cameron if the Brewers decline his $10 million option for 2009.
"I am not going to tell you that's right or not," general manager Brian Cashman said. "We are going to do whatever to make the team better, that's the bottom line." Cameron has long been among the game's most underrated players and would be worth a one-year, $10 million commitment from Milwaukee after hitting .243/.331/.477 with 25 homers and strong defense in center field this season.
Those aren't stunning stats. The OPS is acceptable but not great for an outfielder. Maybe if we pick up Tex and/or Manny and at least one ACE and another very solid pitcher, then we can get away with Cameron in CF. I'd rather add K Griffey Jr though and have him share time with Gardner.
$10 mil for a .243 hitter w/a low OBP & SLG is not my idea of great value... Cameron's a decent player but hardly what i'd call a big upgrade over Johnny Damon overall... i'd much rather put that money towards signing Manny or Tex & just dealing w/a weak hitting good defensive CFer w/elite speed like Gardner next year, then using the rest of the freed up cash to go after the big arms in the rotation.
Posted by TMS:
$10 mil for a .243 hitter w/a low OBP & SLG is not my idea of great value... Cameron's a decent player but hardly what i'd call a big upgrade over Johnny Damon overall... i'd much rather put that money towards signing Manny or Tex & just dealing w/a weak hitting good defensive CFer w/elite speed like Gardner next year, then using the rest of the freed up cash to go after the big arms in the rotation.
Yeah, I agree the more I think about it. Cameron makes no sense for this team.
I wouldn't touch Cameron with a 100ft pole...
He also fanned 142 times in 444 at-bats last year... please stay away from this guy!
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
yankme? you gotta come up with a better name than that...
I'll definitely agree with that comment!
Make that three. What an insulting name to a legendary franchise.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.
Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM
I think Cashman will be gone after this next season, if the Yankees don't make great improvement after next season.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Getting the right coach is the GM's responsibility, just like getting the right players is.
to be fair, Torre wasn't hired by Cashman... everyone knows George did all the hiring in NY when he was in charge, & his sons are doing the hiring now w/the choice of Joe Girardi.
Actually, I think most fans liked the Girardi move. He was a favorite and it's not like the Yankees went into complete depression and totally bombed, we have to keep that in mind. Let's see what he can do with this team this next season.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Those aren't stunning stats. The OPS is acceptable but not great for an outfielder. Maybe if we pick up Tex and/or Manny and at least one ACE and another very solid pitcher, then we can get away with Cameron in CF. I'd rather add K Griffey Jr though and have him share time with Gardner.
Yeah, numbers, numbers, numbers. They can give me numbers all day long. But what I want to know is if 'he's a clutch player'??
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Getting the right coach is the GM's responsibility, just like getting the right players is.
to be fair, Torre wasn't hired by Cashman... everyone knows George did all the hiring in NY when he was in charge, & his sons are doing the hiring now w/the choice of Joe Girardi.
Actually, I think most fans liked the Girardi move. He was a favorite and it's not like the Yankees went into complete depression and totally bombed, we have to keep that in mind. Let's see what he can do with this team this next season.
i personally was in favor of bringing Bobby V in here cuz i felt he was a nice anti-thesis to Joe Torre's approach & i always thought he was 1 of the game's best game strategists, but i wasn't against Joe G's hire either... all i'm saying is the Steinbrenners hired Joe Torre & the Steinbrenners hired Joe Girardi.
I can't understand why Cashman would put up with an owner making all the decisions he's supposed to be making (*if hypothetically what you're saying is true*). Is he just greedy and he likes going to the team that will pay him the biggest salary? Is he afraid of making big decisions and he's happy the Steinbrenners will do them for him?
when u work for the Yankees u do it w/the understanding that u don't have complete autonomy when it comes to personnel decisions... that's how the Steinbrenners have run this franchise since they bought it & that's never gonna change... i don't think Cashman has a problem being paid what he's making to be the GM of the #1 professional franchise in sports.
If what you're saying is correct (and I have to keep adding that qualification), then I'd rather take a paycut and have the power to make my own decisions. Maybe Brian likes being emasculated though
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-27-2008 08:41 AM]
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.
Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM
Do you suppose it wasn't the GM's fault after all, since Torre lost in the second round with the Dodgers?
Not sure what you're saying? That it was somehow Torre's fault?
Posted by Bonn1997:
If what you're saying is correct (and I have to keep adding that qualification), then I'd rather take a paycut and have the power to make my own decisions. Maybe Brian likes being emasculated though
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-27-2008 08:41 AM]
how do u view taking a higher paying job w/less autonomy while working in the toughest & most pressure filled market in sports as meaning he enjoys being emasculated? name me 1 GM in baseball who'd refuse to take the highest paid executive's job in baseball if it meant having a little less autonomy over personnel decisions? Cashman currently makes almost 3 times the median average salary for MLB GM's... ur seriously trying to tell me u'd pass up a job that paid u 3 times as much as ur current job if it meant having less autonomy & you'd be ashamed every time u cashed ur paycheck? i have a hard time believing you.
Posted by TMS:
when u work for the Yankees u do it w/the understanding that u don't have complete autonomy when it comes to personnel decisions... that's how the Steinbrenners have run this franchise since they bought it & that's never gonna change... i don't think Cashman has a problem being paid what he's making to be the GM of the #1 professional franchise in sports.
Not to mention George brought us eight more world series, six of them championships. So he must have been doing 'something' right! On one hand he was mighty. On the other, well......he was a little self destructive. Let's hope his son is at least half a man his pop was.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.
Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM
Do you suppose it wasn't the GM's fault after all, since Torre lost in the second round with the Dodgers?
Not sure what you're saying? That it was somehow Torre's fault?
Well, a lot of people say Cashman has to go, because of Yankee woes and that Joe was a mistake to let go. Well, with Joe not making it to the w.s., maybe Cashman wasn't all that bad after all, you think? And we are' kind of in a rebuilding mode right now to and Giardi's first season. Not bad really. At least they played well above .500 and had a good run at the end and at least we know why' we didn't make it, so I don't think the entire blame should go on Cashman. That's what I mean and I'm just trying to look at it fairly.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
If what you're saying is correct (and I have to keep adding that qualification), then I'd rather take a paycut and have the power to make my own decisions. Maybe Brian likes being emasculated though
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-27-2008 08:41 AM]
how do u view taking a higher paying job w/less autonomy while working in the toughest & most pressure filled market in sports as meaning he enjoys being emasculated? name me 1 GM in baseball who'd refuse to take the highest paid executive's job in baseball if it meant having a little less autonomy over personnel decisions? Cashman currently makes almost 3 times the median average salary for MLB GM's... ur seriously trying to tell me u'd pass up a job that paid u 3 times as much as ur current job if it meant having less autonomy & you'd be ashamed every time u cashed ur paycheck? i have a hard time believing you.
I wouldn't have become a professor if I believed in letting money determine the big decisions in my life.
Emasculated: "to deprive of strength or vigor; weaken" (according to dictionaryreference.com). If Steinbrenner took away Cashman's power to make the big decisions (according to you), then they emasculated him (basically by definition).
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.
Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM
Do you suppose it wasn't the GM's fault after all, since Torre lost in the second round with the Dodgers?
Not sure what you're saying? That it was somehow Torre's fault?
Well, a lot of people say Cashman has to go, because of Yankee woes and that Joe was a mistake to let go. Well, with Joe not making it to the w.s., maybe Cashman wasn't all that bad after all, you think? And we are' kind of in a rebuilding mode right now to and Giardi's first season. Not bad really. At least they played well above .500 and had a good run at the end and at least we know why' we didn't make it, so I don't think the entire blame should go on Cashman. That's what I mean and I'm just trying to look at it fairly.
Torre took a team with lower expectations and much less salary than ours to the 2nd round. We haven't been that far in like 5 years. There's really very little positive in this organization. Unless Cashman has learned from his mistakes, I think we could easily be fighting with Toronto for 3rd vs. 4th place for many years to come.
Torre took them as far as Manny could carry them. I'm just happy they destroyed the scrubs. That made my year!
And don't get me wrong. I'm not all giddy over Cashman, but he does need that Stienbrenner hand to help him out.
One thing we can count on that no one else has in baseball. 'The greatest tradition that sports has ever witnessed'! So important for the kids to win that first game in the new Yankee Stadium.
Isn't it great though and have any of you noticed this? It's being called Yankee Stadium, when all other new parks are basically taking 'corporate names'. Sorry Mets fans.
