Posted by TMS:
Moose is retiring
Damn. I was hoping he'd reconsider but he's always been a funny old duck so it doesn't surprise me. Look for the Yankees to move quickly on Andy Pettitte now. Wouldn't be surprised if they sign up Andy by the end of the week.
i think Andy on a 1 year deal is a good option for us as the #5 guy... if we land CC & another bigname pitcher to add to Wang, Joba & Andy we'll be set.
Posted by jaydh:
FoxSports - The Yankees' farm system is strong and deep enough to match up with the Padres if the teams revive their discussions on right-hander Jake Peavy.
The Padres, according to one major-league source, told the Yankees that a deal would be possible even if the Yankees declined to offer right-hander Phil Hughes.
San Diego scouted Hughes in a recent Arizona Fall League game, but the Yankees have zero intention of trading him.
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Haven't they learned anything from passing up on Santana? Burnett move is a mistake as well, Carl Pavano part 2.
Burnett's got much better stuff than Pavano but I gotta admit his injury history does scare me a little bit when that kind of money's being talked about (I'm hearing 80 mil.). Even so, the team's built to win now so you gotta go out there and take a chance on him, even if it means giving him the 5th year...
So the Padres would make a deal with us for Peavy that wouldn't require Hughes huh? Interesting. Strange but I can believe it. Funny how Hughes' stock seems to have really fallen off. I really had the feeling Hughes just wasn't the goods as advertised ever since the first time I saw him pitch against the Jays at home with the pin straight short-arm fastball coming in at 88-90. I said it then and I still feel the same way - I just don't see this kid eventually dominating as a #1 like the Yanks expected and like we were led to believe. And it looks like the Padres might feel the same way. For them to say that (that Hughes wouldn't have to be in the deal) really speaks volumes. Hughes might actually have more value to us just remaining with organization at this point. No doubt the Pads are gonna want pitching back in return though and I betcha they consider guys like Brackman and Betances guys with much higher upside than Hughes. And I betcha they like Melancon & H. Sanchez as potential bullpen guys - Hoffman's not getting any younger and could depart as a FA anyway...
[Edited by - finestrg on 11-19-2008 8:42 PM]
Posted by TMS:
i think Andy on a 1 year deal is a good option for us as the #5 guy... if we land CC & another bigname pitcher to add to Wang, Joba & Andy we'll be set.
The starting rotation will be set but the offense will still need major upgrades.
no doubt... we need a big bopper.
Posted by TMS:
no doubt... we need a big bopper.
My feeling right now is that if we upgrade the rotation enough we can survive w/o getting Mark Tex. (who's clearly the biggest bat out there not counting Manny who I don't want btw -- I can hear Boston nation now, 'they did it with our guy.' No thank you. Pass on Manny, who's been a big headache the past few years. He's Torre's problem now). You plug Swisher in at 1st who's a nice cost effective addition for about 25 HRs, 30+ doubles with a batting average closer to .260+ than what he put up last year and maybe Abreu back in RF (I heard today that the Yankees are prepared to offer Bobby arbitration - if he accepts you bring him back for next year put him back in right (close to .300, 20+ HR, 100 runs, 100 RBI), Nady in left and spot Damon with Gardner/Melky in CF (if that happens maybe it opens up a minor trade to dump Damon who's nearing the end anyway - we might be able to get something useful for Damon off the good year offensively). Along with Posada and Matsui coming back, that should be enough. That would be the perfect scenario for me. Now if Bobby declines we get the two draft picks and move on but that does leave us a bat short. Maybe then we look to make another Swisher type deal for a bat - I just don't see us breaking the bank for CC & AJ then also adding Mark T. See what happens....
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by TMS:
no doubt... we need a big bopper.
My feeling right now is that if we upgrade the rotation enough we can survive w/o getting Mark Tex. (who's clearly the biggest bat out there not counting Manny who I don't want btw -- I can hear Boston nation now, 'they did it with our guy.' No thank you. Pass on Manny, who's been a big headache the past few years. He's Torre's problem now). You plug Swisher in at 1st who's a nice cost effective addition for about 25 HRs, 30+ doubles with a batting average closer to .260+ than what he put up last year and maybe Abreu back in RF (I heard today that the Yankees are prepared to offer Bobby arbitration - if he accepts you bring him back for next year put him back in right (close to .300, 20+ HR, 100 runs, 100 RBI), Nady in left and spot Damon with Gardner/Melky in CF (if that happens maybe it opens up a minor trade to dump Damon who's nearing the end anyway - we might be able to get something useful for Damon off the good year offensively). Along with Posada and Matsui coming back, that should be enough. That would be the perfect scenario for me. Now if Bobby declines we get the two draft picks and move on but that does leave us a bat short. Maybe then we look to make another Swisher type deal for a bat - I just don't see us breaking the bank for CC & AJ then also adding Mark T. See what happens....
This was the 7th best offensive team in the AL last year and all our veterans are only going to be a year older and more injury prone. We're in a tough division. It would be a shame to spend all that money on the starting rotation and finish 3rd because the team didn't upgrade the offense.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by TMS:
no doubt... we need a big bopper.
My feeling right now is that if we upgrade the rotation enough we can survive w/o getting Mark Tex. (who's clearly the biggest bat out there not counting Manny who I don't want btw -- I can hear Boston nation now, 'they did it with our guy.' No thank you. Pass on Manny, who's been a big headache the past few years. He's Torre's problem now). You plug Swisher in at 1st who's a nice cost effective addition for about 25 HRs, 30+ doubles with a batting average closer to .260+ than what he put up last year and maybe Abreu back in RF (I heard today that the Yankees are prepared to offer Bobby arbitration - if he accepts you bring him back for next year put him back in right (close to .300, 20+ HR, 100 runs, 100 RBI), Nady in left and spot Damon with Gardner/Melky in CF (if that happens maybe it opens up a minor trade to dump Damon who's nearing the end anyway - we might be able to get something useful for Damon off the good year offensively). Along with Posada and Matsui coming back, that should be enough. That would be the perfect scenario for me. Now if Bobby declines we get the two draft picks and move on but that does leave us a bat short. Maybe then we look to make another Swisher type deal for a bat - I just don't see us breaking the bank for CC & AJ then also adding Mark T. See what happens....
This was the 7th best offensive team in the AL last year and all our veterans are only going to be a year older and more injury prone. We're in a tough division. It would be a shame to spend all that money on the starting rotation and finish 3rd because the team didn't upgrade the offense.
Well I just layed out my plan. What do you suggest?
Bobby is reportedly looking for a multi-year deal... the only reason we offered him arbitration is so we can cash in on those compensation picks... he's probably not in our plans for next season.
if we don't get Mark T or Manny, i still say we need to upgrade the offense... Nick Swisher is not the guy that's gonna replace Abreu & Giambi's production, let's be real about it.
Posted by TMS:
Bobby is reportedly looking for a multi-year deal... the only reason we offered him arbitration is so we can cash in on those compensation picks... he's probably not in our plans for next season.
if we don't get Mark T or Manny, i still say we need to upgrade the offense... Nick Swisher is not the guy that's gonna replace Abreu & Giambi's production, let's be real about it.
I so dont want Bobby Abreu back....he's afraid of the wall and afraid to simply play baseball imho.
I can deal with Swisher at 1st....yanks need to upgrade other positions the ones Melky and his boy Cano hold.....Yanks need speed and power out of those spots. I think the Yanks might get Manny. He would be a king here in NY. Corny ass Dominican's will turn trade their Boston hats for Yankee hats finally. Dumb asses.
anyway....pitching, 2b, Center field and right field.....and we are good again.
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by TMS:
no doubt... we need a big bopper.
My feeling right now is that if we upgrade the rotation enough we can survive w/o getting Mark Tex. (who's clearly the biggest bat out there not counting Manny who I don't want btw -- I can hear Boston nation now, 'they did it with our guy.' No thank you. Pass on Manny, who's been a big headache the past few years. He's Torre's problem now). You plug Swisher in at 1st who's a nice cost effective addition for about 25 HRs, 30+ doubles with a batting average closer to .260+ than what he put up last year and maybe Abreu back in RF (I heard today that the Yankees are prepared to offer Bobby arbitration - if he accepts you bring him back for next year put him back in right (close to .300, 20+ HR, 100 runs, 100 RBI), Nady in left and spot Damon with Gardner/Melky in CF (if that happens maybe it opens up a minor trade to dump Damon who's nearing the end anyway - we might be able to get something useful for Damon off the good year offensively). Along with Posada and Matsui coming back, that should be enough. That would be the perfect scenario for me. Now if Bobby declines we get the two draft picks and move on but that does leave us a bat short. Maybe then we look to make another Swisher type deal for a bat - I just don't see us breaking the bank for CC & AJ then also adding Mark T. See what happens....
This was the 7th best offensive team in the AL last year and all our veterans are only going to be a year older and more injury prone. We're in a tough division. It would be a shame to spend all that money on the starting rotation and finish 3rd because the team didn't upgrade the offense.
Well I just layed out my plan. What do you suggest?
Sign Tex and/or Manny
Posted by TMS:
i think Andy on a 1 year deal is a good option for us as the #5 guy... if we land CC & another bigname pitcher to add to Wang, Joba & Andy we'll be set.
Man if we can hit the trifecta - CC, AJ and Lowe - Andy at the botoom of the rotation and Joba setting up Mariano we're not going to need alot of run support to win 90 games
Sign Sabathia, Texeira and then Lowe to a 3 year deal and we'll be good to go. We need another bat in the lineup.
Posted by GKFv2:
Sign Sabathia, Texeira and then Lowe to a 3 year deal and we'll be good to go. We need another bat in the lineup.
Lowe over AJ?
Posted by GKFv2:
Sign Sabathia, Texeira and then Lowe to a 3 year deal and we'll be good to go. We need another bat in the lineup.
We should get some solid run support back with a healthy Matsui and Posada (close to 200 rbi's there). We also won't have a huge hole in our line up with the subtraction of the Giambi curse (anyone else notice we haven't won a championship since he's been on the team). Texiera would be nice, but Boras is his agent so.....I wouldn't count on the Yankess going to far with that one.
We also won't have a huge hole in our line up with the subtraction of the Giambi curse (anyone else notice we haven't won a championship since he's been on the team).
if u wanna get technical that "curse" actually started when Moose got here, the year before Giambi was signed... but to be fair the team did get to 2 world series & both those guys helped them to get there... sometimes the ball doesn't bounce ur way, sometimes they do.
[Edited by - TMS on 11-20-2008 1:43 PM]
how about Jermaine Dye if we miss out on Tex & Manny? the guy is still putting up some impressive #'s at his age (.292 / 34 / 96 / .885 OPS) & still has a cannon for an arm in RF... would give us some nice pop from the right side to backup ARod, that's for sure... the White Sox are reportedly looking to shed his contract... maybe an offer of Kennedy & Melky could get er done?
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by GKFv2:
Sign Sabathia, Texeira and then Lowe to a 3 year deal and we'll be good to go. We need another bat in the lineup.
Lowe over AJ?
Yes. AJ Burnett is an injury risk an his best season is a 4 ERA. Giving this man 5 or 6 years is a mistake. Lowe is the better pitcher and would take less years because of his age.
I am going to miss moose. I wish we could have gotten him a ring.. he came oh so close...
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by GKFv2:
Sign Sabathia, Texeira and then Lowe to a 3 year deal and we'll be good to go. We need another bat in the lineup.
Lowe over AJ?
Yes. AJ Burnett is an injury risk an his best season is a 4 ERA. Giving this man 5 or 6 years is a mistake. Lowe is the better pitcher and would take less years because of his age.
Fair enough. AJ's best season was not a 4 ERA, though. It was just the season where he had the most run support and had the most starts. His career ERA is actually BELOW 4. Basically, AJ makes about 75% of his starts. So I think if you sign him, then in any given playoff game, there's about a 75% chance he'll be healthy and hard to hit and a 25% chance he'll be unhealthy and we'll have to use our 5th starter.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-20-2008 9:27 PM]
Posted by TMS:
We also won't have a huge hole in our line up with the subtraction of the Giambi curse (anyone else notice we haven't won a championship since he's been on the team).
if u wanna get technical that "curse" actually started when Moose got here, the year before Giambi was signed... but to be fair the team did get to 2 world series & both those guys helped them to get there... sometimes the ball doesn't bounce ur way, sometimes they do.
[Edited by - TMS on 11-20-2008 1:43 PM]
I don't know, Moose was a big game pitcher and a veteran presence on the mound that Torre had confidence in (game 7 2003 ALCS). Giambi was always sure to get a hit when we were up by a bunch of runs but he never seemed to come up big in the clutch. Two outs, two on and down by a run and he never got on base, plus he was always a great candidate to hit into the double play and kill an inning. The championship teams had guys that didn't always put up big numbers, but they always got the clutch hit. Brosius, Martinez just to name two.
