Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Melky's putting up way better numbers
Just to be clear: Exactly which of Melky's #s are way better than Andrew Jones'?
did i say way better than Jones? no, i said way better than Griffey Jr... i said he's outplaying both Griffey & Jones this year
Melky .342 BA / 4 HR / 10 RBI
Jones .340 BA / 3 HR / 8 RBI
Griffey .205 BA / 2 HR / 5 RBI
[Edited by - TMS on 05-08-2009 7:56 PM]
OK, how is he outplaying Jones? The only difference I notice is a 200 point OPS advantage for Jones. Are you talking about the .002 batting average advantage for Melky?
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-09-2009 06:56 AM]
Posted by TMS:
feel free to tell me who u expected us to have on the bench ready to fill in when our key players go down to injury.
Just to be clear for the record:
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Garcia and Jones would both be very low cost moves that could have a good reward and are worth getting.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-09-2009 07:33 AM]
Texeira is batting .192. Terrible.
Posted by GKFv2:
Texeira is batting .192. Terrible.
If the tendinitis in the wrist is the problem, he needs to sit and Swisher needs to play first. Having him healthy is too important.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
dude, have u checked what Jr's stats look like this year? he's been HORRIBLE!... Melky's putting up way better numbers... yeah, i suggested him and & i suggested Andruw Jones too... Andruw's had a nice bounceback year so far, but guess what? Melky's outplaying both those guys.
Agreed; that's why we both decided there were better options available--options Cashman was blind to. Melky's been better? So what? We have no backup outfielder now. Damon's an old man who can't field and we're depending on him to stay healthy and never need rest. That's a mistake but it pales in comparison to the stupidity of Cashman's handling of the starting rotation last year and bullpen this year.
LOL... so it's Cashman's fault that we don't have an able 5th reserve OFer on the bench to backup Melky? hahaha... this is getting funnier by the moment... Brett Gardner's no hitting star but he can defend all 3 OF positions... he's as good as any team has on their bench as a 5th OFer... Cashman didn't exactly expect Nady to be injured this year either... he made a very smart trade to bring in Nick Swisher, but of course he doesn't get any credit for such moves... the bullpen on paper looked to be very good to start off the season but then Bruney gets injured, Marte gets injured, Mo gives up a few shocking late inning HR's & blows some saves & things go downhill from there... u gonna blame Cashman for all these things? get real.
Man I totally agree. People make Cash out to be some kind of boob who runs around here walking into walls. WTF? Enough already with the throwing out blame every which-way - Cashman sucks, Girardi needs to go. Gimmie a break. Brian Cashman knows what he's doing. Has he never made trades to bring in reinforcments before??? Has he never made decisions to reach into the minors and bring up players to help? In case you've been living under a rock, scroll back a little and just look at the list TMS put up there... Bottom line right now - we're only 30 games into this and I think he's probably still in the process of evaluating EVERYTHING. The guy's had to deal with a Chien-Ming Wang meltdown completely out of leftfield plus key injuries to A-Rod, Xavier Nady, Brian Bruney, Demaso Marte, Jorge Posada, and now Jose Molina plus the recent realization that Mariano might be becoming human. WTF do people want him do? Go out and wave the magic wand and make instant trades for a starting RFer, a frontline starter, two 8th inning bullpen guys, a replacement closer & a starting catcher all within the next week?????? It doesn't work that way. It's a process. Step 1 completed - we got A-Rod back and he had an immediate impact. The other injured players are a little further away and we're just gonna have to be patient. Nothing else we can do right now. 30 games into the season is way too early for any team out there to start thinking about unloading their top talent. There's not a single team out there who thinks they're out of the race already only 30 games in. Houston Astros for example - I think guys like Roy Oswalt and maybe even a Carlos Lee might become available at some point but not right now. It's too early man. The Astros are still in the process of evaluating their own situation. Now if Houston continue to faulter 75 games in, then maybe Cash can talk to them and work something out. Hopefully 75 games in over here, we'll have this straightened out somewhat and not have a need for Roy Oswalt... As far as replacements from within go -- we have some pitchers who are ready for the majors and some who aren't, specifically the younger guys (Dellin Betances for example) & the guys who are still feeling their way back from TJ surgery (Andrew Brackman, Christian Garcia, Humberto Sanchez who we just got back). As far as minor league position players go, we have some good ones (A-Jax and Jesus Montero immediately come to mind) but I think they want to be patient with those guys. If you rush young guys to the majors and throw them in the Bronx pressure cooker right now, you run the risk of ruining them if they don't perform. And that's the last thing they want.
Hey the situation sucks right now although it got a little brighter last night. I'm the first one to come on here and rant about how terrible and lifeless they've been lately. But in the overall scheme of things, only 30 games in, ya gotta be patient and let Cashman properly evaluate the situation. The man's got a lot on his plate right now but I'm confident that he'll make good, sound decisions when the time comes. He always has. Then it's all up to the players he's either brought up or brought in to perform up to their abilities. That's it...
[Edited by - finestrg on 05-09-2009 12:04 PM]
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
dude, have u checked what Jr's stats look like this year? he's been HORRIBLE!... Melky's putting up way better numbers... yeah, i suggested him and & i suggested Andruw Jones too... Andruw's had a nice bounceback year so far, but guess what? Melky's outplaying both those guys.
Agreed; that's why we both decided there were better options available--options Cashman was blind to. Melky's been better? So what? We have no backup outfielder now. Damon's an old man who can't field and we're depending on him to stay healthy and never need rest. That's a mistake but it pales in comparison to the stupidity of Cashman's handling of the starting rotation last year and bullpen this year.
LOL... so it's Cashman's fault that we don't have an able 5th reserve OFer on the bench to backup Melky? hahaha... this is getting funnier by the moment... Brett Gardner's no hitting star but he can defend all 3 OF positions... he's as good as any team has on their bench as a 5th OFer... Cashman didn't exactly expect Nady to be injured this year either... he made a very smart trade to bring in Nick Swisher, but of course he doesn't get any credit for such moves... the bullpen on paper looked to be very good to start off the season but then Bruney gets injured, Marte gets injured, Mo gives up a few shocking late inning HR's & blows some saves & things go downhill from there... u gonna blame Cashman for all these things? get real.
Man I totally agree. People make Cash out to be some kind of boob who runs around here walking into walls. WTF? Enough already with the throwing out blame every which-way - Cashman sucks, Girardi needs to go. Gimmie a break. Brian Cashman knows what he's doing. Has he never made trades to bring in reinforcments before??? Has he never made decisions to reach into the minors and bring up players to help? In case you've been living under a rock, scroll back a little and just look at the list TMS put up there... Bottom line right now - we're only 30 games into this and I think he's probably still in the process of evaluating EVERYTHING. The guy's had to deal with a Chien-Ming Wang meltdown completely out of leftfield plus key injuries to A-Rod, Xavier Nady, Brian Bruney, Demaso Marte, Jorge Posada, and now Jose Molina plus the recent realization that Mariano might be becoming human. WTF do people want him do? Go out and wave the magic wand and make instant trades for a starting RFer, a frontline starter, two 8th inning bullpen guys, a replacement closer & a starting catcher all within the next week?????? It doesn't work that way. It's a process. Step 1 completed - we got A-Rod back and he had an immediate impact. The other injured players are a little further away and we're just gonna have to be patient. Nothing else we can do right now. 30 games into the season is way too early for any team out there to start thinking about unloading their top talent. There's not a single team out there who thinks they're out of the race already only 30 games in. Houston Astros for example - I think guys like Roy Oswalt and maybe even a Carlos Lee might become available at some point but not right now. It's too early man. The Astros are still in the process of evaluating their own situation. Now if Houston continue to faulter 75 games in, then maybe Cash can talk to them and work something out. Hopefully 75 games in over here, we'll have this straightened out somewhat and not have a need for Roy Oswalt... As far as replacements from within go -- we have some pitchers who are ready for the majors and some who aren't, specifically the younger guys (Dellin Betances for example) & the guys who are still feeling their way back from TJ surgery (Andrew Brackman, Christian Garcia, Humberto Sanchez who we just got back). As far as minor league position players go, we have some good ones (A-Jax and Jesus Montero immediately come to mind) but I think they want to be patient with those guys. If you rush young guys to the majors and throw them in the Bronx pressure cooker right now, you run the risk of ruining them if they don't perform. And that's the last thing they want.
Hey the situation sucks right now although it got a little brighter last night. I'm the first one to come on here and rant about how terrible and lifeless they've been lately. But in the overall scheme of things, only 30 games in, ya gotta be patient and let Cashman properly evaluate the situation. The man's got a lot on his plate right now but I'm confident that he'll make good, sound decisions when the time comes. He always has. Then it's all up to the players he's either brought up or brought in to perform up to their abilities. That's it...
[Edited by - finestrg on 05-09-2009 12:04 PM]
Man you haven't been paying attention to this thread for the past couple years if you think these 30 games are *the reason* (rather than just being consistent with long-given reasons) many want Cashman replaced. This organization has gradually but steadily gone downhill ever since Cashman got full decision making authority put into his contract. Is it just a coincidence? That's not a question we can answer. But he has made enough decisions (including
inaction) that I've spoken out against and gotten poor enough results for me to feel confident that we need a more astute GM.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-09-2009 1:59 PM]
I said my peace on Brian Cashman. You feel a different way, hey good for you. You're entitled to your opinion just like the rest of the overreactors out there that keep calling up sports radio calling for the man's head. Scroll back a little pal - the proof chronicling his competence is right there in front of you. Over time, he's shown that he's done his due diligence regarding personnel matters. He's continually brought in talent either from the outside or up from the minors that on paper --in theory-- should've been able to help the club at those particular times. Tell you what, as a fan of this team, that's all you can ask of the man. And just like every single GM out there, some moves panned out, others didn't... I feel no need to regurgitate Cashman any further. It's clear as day to me that he is not the problem. Sadly, some key components to this team are on the downside of their careers. Hey it happens. And just like any other successful team---excuse me dynasty---over a long period, we've been successful enough over that period where we haven't had top-tier draft picks to re-stock with like all the inferior teams. We've had a good run though. A damn good run. And that's not to say I believe we're done this year. Hardly. If this year's team ever gets close to full strength and we can get the top talent to do what's expected of them, I think we're still one of the premier teams in the game.
[Edited by - finestrg on 05-09-2009 2:22 PM]
Ian Kennedy has an anuerysm. Best wishes to him for a speedy recovery:
Yanks' Ian Kennedy has aneurysm in right shoulder
Times have certainly changed for New York Yankees' prospect Ian Kennedy(notes). Thirteen months ago he was a top prospect, who earned a spot in the starting rotation out of spring training after an impressive September callup in 2007.
But that's where the good news ended, according to the New York Daily News. A disastrous rookie season landed him back in the minors, but he had been pitching well in April before landing on the disabled list with what was initially diagnosed as a vasospasm in his right middle finger. Tuesday, Kennedy will undergo surgery after doctors discovered an aneurysm in an artery near his right shoulder, bringing his season to a grinding halt and leaving the former first-round pick to wonder when he'll throw again.
According to Joe Girardi, doctors took another look at Kennedy's MRI after the vasospasm wasn't getting any better, spotting a possible aneurysm. A second test was done to get a closer look, showing the aneurysm.
This isn't the first time a Yankees pitcher has dealt with this situation, as David Cone underwent surgery for the same condition in 1996. Dr. George Todd, who performed Cone's surgery, will also operate on Kennedy. Girardi said there would be no timetable for Kennedy's return to the mound until after the surgery, the Daily News reported.
Source: New York Daily News
Jesus, I figured I wouldn't miss much if I watched the end of the NBA game instead of the start of the Yankees game. Hughes has given up 7 runs already?!
Did Islesfan get banned again or is he pulling a MisterEarl?
Hughes sucks. Maybe I'll give him one more chance to redeem himself but right now he's a bust to me.
Posted by GKFv2:
Hughes sucks. Maybe I'll give him one more chance to redeem himself but right now he's a bust to me.
I haven't given up on him but he's been a big time disappointment. I was cautiously optimistic after that first start this year but man what a bummer he's been again since then.
The ironic thing is this team is a pretty consistent run producing team. They could win a lot of regular season games if they could just get pitchers capable of pitching to a 4.50 ERA but that appears to be asking too much.
hughes ain't ready. he was rushed up again b/c of injuries. he was still working on stuff in AAA.
i hate this but yankees just don't have the luxury of developing players. it worked in the early 90's b/c the team was crappy for many years. but now that they've been successful, fans ain't gonna stand for it. expectations are through the roof. i hope they stick with the kids and let them develop but i fear that it's just not a reality for this yankee franchise right now.
He and Kennedy (pre-aneurysm obviously) have been dominant at every level of the minors for a long time now. What more would they need to demonstrate in the minors before *any* organization would conclude that they should be able to take the next step? Most people here thought that they were both ready *last year* to be consistent starters. I didn't hear any complaints at least about them being penciled in to start 2 out of every 5 games.
bonn, it's quite possible that they just aren't that good. they may just be AAAA pitchers. but it's tough to give up on a 23 and 22 year old. but for every start they make, cashman looks worse and worse for not making the johan deal.
Oh I definitely haven't given up on them. Even if they turn out to be respectable or great starters, I still think it was a poor gamble to keep them rather than getting Johan. I never expected them to be this terrible either. Having Johan would have entirely changed the complexion of last season and this season, though. Mussina won 20 games last year and Johan was definitely pitching better than Mussina last season. Johan's #s this year are just out of this world so far.
Slightly off topic, but whats good with Big Papi? No homeruns? Looking extra frail and weak at the plate. I'm sure his bat speed is just slower now. Yeah, thats it. His extreme drop off couldnt be due to anything else.
Damon has been great at the plate this year...can the Yanks pen protect a two run leadue for three innings? Joba really settled down after a terrible first inning...
Good win. Coke came in and gave us to good innings to set up Mo.
we mount late inning rallies - much different from last year.
now we need to go to toronto and take 2 of 3 there.
