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we mount late inning rallies - much different from last year.

now we need to go to toronto and take 2 of 3 there.

Posted by VDesai:

Damon has been great at the plate this year...can the Yanks pen protect a two run leadue for three innings? Joba really settled down after a terrible first inning...

Damon's on pace for 50 HR!

Posted by djsunyc:

we mount late inning rallies - much different from last year.

now we need to go to toronto and take 2 of 3 there.

We got a lot of work to do just to get to the .550 winning % we had last year.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by VDesai:

Damon has been great at the plate this year...can the Yanks pen protect a two run leadue for three innings? Joba really settled down after a terrible first inning...

Damon's on pace for 50 HR!

test him immediately

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by VDesai:

Damon has been great at the plate this year...can the Yanks pen protect a two run leadue for three innings? Joba really settled down after a terrible first inning...

Damon's on pace for 50 HR!

test him immediately

HA! These days, I don't give ANY player the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by Finestrg:
The guy's had to deal with a Chien-Ming Wang meltdown completely out of leftfield plus key injuries to A-Rod, Xavier Nady, Brian Bruney, Demaso Marte, Jorge Posada, and now Jose Molina plus the recent realization that Mariano might be becoming human. WTF do people want him do? Go out and wave the magic wand and make instant trades for a starting RFer, a frontline starter, two 8th inning bullpen guys, a replacement closer & a starting catcher all within the next week??????

of course Johan... we should've had 3 Allstars on the Johan bench ready to take over for 1 of our injured starters Johan, & our bullpen Johan should have a steady stream of every quality Johan arm in the majors ready to step in when other guys aren't getting the Johan job done... how can you not blame Cashman for this Johan? & Cashman's directly responsible for Johan Teixeria's slump to start the season & for Mariano Johan getting older & not having another Mariano clone ready Johan to take over so we can make Mariano the setup Johan guy... we all know how those alltime great Johan closers grow on trees... oh, & i wanted Johan.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Finestrg:
The guy's had to deal with a Chien-Ming Wang meltdown completely out of leftfield plus key injuries to A-Rod, Xavier Nady, Brian Bruney, Demaso Marte, Jorge Posada, and now Jose Molina plus the recent realization that Mariano might be becoming human. WTF do people want him do? Go out and wave the magic wand and make instant trades for a starting RFer, a frontline starter, two 8th inning bullpen guys, a replacement closer & a starting catcher all within the next week??????

of course Johan... we should've had 3 Allstars on the Johan bench ready to take over for 1 of our injured starters Johan, & our bullpen Johan should have a steady stream of every quality Johan arm in the majors ready to step in when other guys aren't getting the Johan job done... how can you not blame Cashman for this Johan? & Cashman's directly responsible for Johan Teixeria's slump to start the season & for Mariano Johan getting older & not having another Mariano clone ready Johan to take over so we can make Mariano the setup Johan guy... we all know how those alltime great Johan closers grow on trees... oh, & i wanted Johan.

I'll give you credit for effort. You do try hard

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Finestrg:
The guy's had to deal with a Chien-Ming Wang meltdown completely out of leftfield plus key injuries to A-Rod, Xavier Nady, Brian Bruney, Demaso Marte, Jorge Posada, and now Jose Molina plus the recent realization that Mariano might be becoming human. WTF do people want him do? Go out and wave the magic wand and make instant trades for a starting RFer, a frontline starter, two 8th inning bullpen guys, a replacement closer & a starting catcher all within the next week??????

of course Johan... we should've had 3 Allstars on the Johan bench ready to take over for 1 of our injured starters Johan, & our bullpen Johan should have a steady stream of every quality Johan arm in the majors ready to step in when other guys aren't getting the Johan job done... how can you not blame Cashman for this Johan? & Cashman's directly responsible for Johan Teixeria's slump to start the season & for Mariano Johan getting older & not having another Mariano clone ready Johan to take over so we can make Mariano the setup Johan guy... we all know how those alltime great Johan closers grow on trees... oh, & i wanted Johan.

I'll give you credit for effort. You do try hard

LMAO!

Nice comeback win today. Poor 1st inning again for Joba but he & the rest of the guys kept us in the game after that. Huff says he wasn't trying to show Joba up today with the two big fist pumps. Yeah OK buddy. I believe that like I believe the moon is made of cheese. That's OK though - Huff won that battle but we won the war and that's what it's all about. Left for the in-laws after it was 3-1 Os, gonna go fire up the DVR real quick - Just curious - I gotta go check out Huff's next at-bat against Joba. Glad they won today. Just keep focus on winning series after series. Already got A-Rod back. More reinforcements to come soon enough...

Apparently it's the 3rd straight year we've started 15-16

Posted by Finestrg:
Nice comeback win today. Poor 1st inning again for Joba but he & the rest of the guys kept us in the game after that. Huff says he wasn't trying to show Joba up today with the two big fist pumps. Yeah OK buddy. I believe that like I believe the moon is made of cheese. That's OK though - Huff won that battle but we won the war and that's what it's all about. Left for the in-laws after it was 3-1 Os, gonna go fire up the DVR real quick - Just curious - I gotta go check out Huff's next at-bat against Joba. Glad they won today. Just keep focus on winning series after series. Already got A-Rod back. More reinforcements to come soon enough...

i don't believe Huff either, but i can't blame him for doing that to Joba when Joba's done that to him after striking him out in the past... only thing that bothers me about guys who whine about Joba is how come we never hear anything about guys who are much more demonstrative on the mound like K-Rod, Valverde, Papelbon & guys like that? if Huff's got a problem with Joba, why doesn't he have the same beef with Papelbon? i'm pretty sure he's been struck out by him before & had to see him do his usual after the save celebrations on the mound... if he's got a personal beef w/Joba other than the fist pump display, that's 1 thing, but to single out 1 guy for doing it when there's a lotta other guys doing the same thing is just the typical Yankee hating type bias that i can't stand.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

feel free to tell me who u expected us to have on the bench ready to fill in when our key players go down to injury.

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Garcia and Jones would both be very low cost moves that could have a good reward and are worth getting.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-09-2009 07:33 AM]

funny u'd bring that post up as if those were guys you came up with when u needed me & VDesai to make the suggestions in the first place before you even knew they were available... you're the same guy who praised the Red Sox for "making some really smart, inexpensive, high potential reward decisions" by adding guys like Brad Penny, Rocco Baldelli & John Smoltz over the offseason, yet they're the same team that lost out on Mark Teixieria, CC Sabathia & AJ Burnett... if the Yankees had missed out on the big 3 this offseason you'd be lambasting Cashman like there's no tomorrow for not being able to land the big names in free agency & having to settle for lesser names... you are a typical spoiled Yankee fan that expects his cake & wants to eat it too every season, & then complains about every decision that's made that doesn't work out exactly the way you hoped it would... all this criticism of the job Cashman's doing from you as if you're so much more informed on judging baseball talent than someone who's been doing it for the better part of his lifetime... you wanted Johan just like me & a ton of other Yankee fans, but because it doesn't happen & you act like Cashman stole your dog or something... my advice to u would be to stop & cut your losses... either that or become more informed before voicing your criticisms, because that will help your case when you try & defend them... & that wasn't meant as an insult to you, but i really do think you need to become more informed before tossing out your overly simplistic criticisms of the job that the most successful GM in baseball is doing for this franchise.

If we can get Bruney back, I'd love for him and Coke to be the Nelson/Stanton duo. I think you gotta give these guys the job and let them work through it because they have the talent to do so. What will really help is our starters going 6-7 innings a game and we know that Sabathia, Burnett and Pettite are capable of doing this and Wang if healthy and confident certainly can do it as well.

Bottom line is the Yankees have a lot GREAT players that are not getting the job done the way they are capable of doing now- not good, but Great players. Once these guys figure things out it will make a major impact.

As far as Huff today that was bush league. Yeah Joba's histrionics are a bit much, but everyone reacts differently to success...some people generally get more pumped up than others. Huff's stuff was so obviously orchestrated to mock Joba....the fact that he stopped to do it twice was even more bush league.

Huff wants to make it a beef, then so be it... i agree, it was a cheaply orchestrated & premeditated showing up of another player which is worse than the emotional displays that Joba throws w/his fist pumps, but considering the fact that Huff's never had a problem w/Pedro Martinez or those other names i mentioned from what i know is what i find puzzling... maybe there's something else there, who knows? i'm sure it's not gonna stop Joba from doing it & it's not the last time Huff's gonna have his feathers ruffled over it either... will be interesting to see what happens the next game they play & the Yankees have a comfortable lead late in the game... if Huff wants to play like he's an old school style baller then he should be expecting one high & tight on him for what he pulled today.


Coke & Bruney as a modern day Stanton & Nelson i don't think is gonna happen... Bruney can't stay healthy long enough for that symbiosis to even develop it seems... Coke reminds me a lot of Paul Quantrill actually in his mannerisms & the way he goes after hitters, even tho Quantrill was a righty & threw more sinkers... dude is bigtime into MMA... i was almost hoping Coke would drill Huff late in the game & Huff would rush the mound... Huff looks like no pushover either so it would be an interesting fight, that's for sure.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-10-2009 8:49 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

feel free to tell me who u expected us to have on the bench ready to fill in when our key players go down to injury.

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Garcia and Jones would both be very low cost moves that could have a good reward and are worth getting.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-09-2009 07:33 AM]

funny u'd bring that post up as if those were guys you came up with when u needed me & VDesai to make the suggestions in the first place before you even knew they were available

I don't think you understand what a GM does. A GM needs to evaluate trade ideas, which may or may not be his own. I fail to see your point, if you even have one. If you want to accuse me of being outstanding at evaluating others' suggestions, I will plead guilty as charged.

I appreciate the advice about putting my head in the sand regarding the biggest mistake a Yankees GM has made in my lifetime. I'll give it at least one tenth of a second of consideration.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-11-2009 07:35 AM]

Posted by TMS:

Huff wants to make it a beef, then so be it... i agree, it was a cheaply orchestrated & premeditated showing up of another player which is worse than the emotional displays that Joba throws w/his fist pumps, but considering the fact that Huff's never had a problem w/Pedro Martinez or those other names i mentioned from what i know is what i find puzzling... maybe there's something else there, who knows? i'm sure it's not gonna stop Joba from doing it & it's not the last time Huff's gonna have his feathers ruffled over it either... will be interesting to see what happens the next game they play & the Yankees have a comfortable lead late in the game... if Huff wants to play like he's an old school style baller then he should be expecting one high & tight on him for what he pulled today.


Coke & Bruney as a modern day Stanton & Nelson i don't think is gonna happen... Bruney can't stay healthy long enough for that symbiosis to even develop it seems... Coke reminds me a lot of Paul Quantrill actually in his mannerisms & the way he goes after hitters, even tho Quantrill was a righty & threw more sinkers... dude is bigtime into MMA... i was almost hoping Coke would drill Huff late in the game & Huff would rush the mound... Huff looks like no pushover either so it would be an interesting fight, that's for sure.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-10-2009 8:49 PM]

Bruney's been lights out lately when he can pitch. I agree he needs to prove he can stay healthy. I'm really high on Coke. He's done a decent job of brushing off some of hte homers he's given up. He has good stuff and should start asserting himself as the setup man.

Joba Chamberlain said he didn’t see Aubrey Huff celebrate his first-inning home run. But he didn’t have a problem with it.

“Good for him,” he said. “He’s paid to hit home runs.”

Here’s what Huff had to say:

“He’s done it a couple of times to me when he’s struck me out. For me, it’s just in good fun. I always told the guys that if I get him, I’m going to give him a nice fist pump. For me, it wasn’t really showing anybody up. I was just trying to have some fun with it. He does it all the time and I figured you know what, why not?”

Is he worried about retribution: “Why would he hit me? If he’s going to do that all the time, he’s got to understand that guys are going to be gunning for him you would think. If you want to do that stuff, you got to expect the hitters to get you, too.”

i just wanna see someone pull a Papelbon triple fist pump / constipated at the toilet maneuver when they cross homeplate... that would be an alltime classic moment.

Posted by Bonn1997:
I fail to see your point

Point:

my advice to u would be to stop & cut your losses... either that or become more informed before voicing your criticisms, because that will help your case when you try & defend them

let me know if u need me to repeat it for ya.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-11-2009 2:56 PM]

So you don't disagree that you don't understand what a GM does? Thank for conceding that point. I respect your newly found humility.

Posted by TMS:

for 1 last time & just to clear up once & for all:

CASHMAN'S NOTABLE MOVES AS YANKEES' GM '98-'08:

Trades:
2/6/1998 traded Brian Buchanan, Christian Guzman, Eric Milton, Danny Mota and cash for Chuck Knoblauch - GOOD TRADE
2/1/1999 traded Mike Lowell for Mark Johnson, Todd Noel and Ed Yarnall - BAD TRADE
2/18/1999 traded Homer Bush, Graeme Lloyd and David Wells for Roger Clemens - EXCELLENT TRADE
12/22/1999 traded Hideki Irabu for Jake Westbrook and 2 PTBNL: Ted Lilly and Christian Parker - EXCELLENT TRADE
6/20/2000 traded Jim Leyritz for Jose Vizcaino and cash - GOOD TRADE
6/29/2000 traded Ricky Ledee, Jake Westbrook, and Zach Day for David Justice - EXCELLENT TRADE
7/12/2000 traded Ed Yarnall, Drew Henson, Jackson Melian and Brian Reith for Mike Frank and Denny Neagle - WASH
7/21/2000 traded Ben Ford and Oswaldo Mairena for Glenallen Hill - GOOD TRADE
8/7/2000 traded Chris Spurling for Luis Sojo - GOOD TRADE
3/21/2001 traded Wily Mo Pena for Drew Henson and Michael Coleman - BAD TRADE
3/30/2001 traded Craig Dingman for PTBNL: Jorge de Paula - GOOD TRADE
6/13/2001 traded Damaso Marte for Enrique Wilson - BAD TRADE
6/23/2001 traded D'Angelo Jimenez for Jay Witasick - BAD TRADE
7/1/2001 traded Ricardo Aramboles for Mark Wohlers - WASH
7/4/2001 traded Brian Boehringer for Bobby Estalella and Joe Smith - GOOD TRADE
7/30/2001 traded Brett Jodie and Darren Blakely for Sterling Hitchcock - GOOD TRADE
8/31/2001 traded 2 PTBNL: Rosman Garcia and Randy Flores for Randy Velarde - WASH
12/7/2001 traded David Justice for Robin Ventura - GOOD TRADE
12/13/2001 traded Jay Witasick for John Vander Wal - WASH
7/1/2002 traded Scott Wiggins for Raul Mondesi - GOOD TRADE
7/5/2002 traded Ted Lilly, Jason Arnold and John Ford Griffin for Jeff Weaver - BAD TRADE
1/15/2003 traded Orlando Hernandez for Antonio Osuna and Delvis Lantigua - BAD TRADE
3/19/2003 traded Rondell White for Bubba Trammell, Mark Phillips and cash - WASH
6/6/2003 traded Marcus Thames for Ruben Sierra - GOOD TRADE
6/25/2003 traded Cash for Karim Garcia - GOOD TRADE
6/25/2003 traded PTBNL for Dan Miceli - GOOD TRADE
7/16/2003 traded Jason Anderson, Ryan Bicondoa and Anderson Garcia for Armando Benitez - BAD TRADE
7/22/2003 traded PTBNL for Jesse Orosco - GOOD TRADE
7/29/2003 traded Raul Mondesi and cash for David Dellucci, Bret Prinz and John Prowl - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2003 traded PTBNL for Gabe White - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2003 traded Brandon Claussen, Charlie Manning and cash for Aaron Boone - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2003 traded Robin Ventura for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor - GOOD TRADE
8/6/2003 traded Armando Benitez for Jeff Nelson - GOOD TRADE
8/22/2003 traded Sterling Hitchcock for Justin Pope and Ben Julianel - BAD TRADE
8/31/2003 traded Jesse Orosco for PTBNL: Juan Padilla - WASH
12/13/2003 traded Jeff Weaver, Brandon Weeden, Yhency Brazoban and cash for Kevin Brown - WASH
12/16/2003 traded Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera and Randy Choate for Javier Vazquez - BAD TRADE
12/18/2003 traded Chris Hammond and cash for Eduardo Sierra and J.T. Stotts - BAD TRADE
2/5/2004 traded Jose Garcia for Mike Lamb - GOOD TRADE
2/16/2004 traded Alfonso Soriano and a PTBNL: Joaquin Arias for Alex Rodriguez and cash - EXCELLENT TRADE
3/25/2004 traded Mike Lamb for Juan DeLeon - BAD TRADE
5/15/2004 traded Brian Myrow for Tanyon Sturtze - GOOD TRADE
6/18/2004 traded Gabe White for Charlie Manning and cash - WASH
7/31/2004 traded Jose Contreras and cash for Esteban Loaiza - BAD TRADE
12/3/2004 traded Felix Heredia for Mike Stanton - GOOD TRADE
12/3/2004 traded Kenny Lofton for Felix Rodriguez - WASH
1/11/2005 traded Javier Vazquez, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro and cash for Randy Johnson - GOOD TRADE
3/29/2005 traded Bret Prinz for Wil Nieves - WASH
7/2/2005 traded Paul Quantrill for Darrell May, Tim Redding and cash - WASH
7/16/2005 traded PTBNL for Al Leiter - GOOD TRADE
7/28/2005 traded Ramon Ramirez and Eduardo Sierra for Shawn Chacon - GOOD TRADE
8/27/2005 traded Justin Berg for Matt Lawton - WASH
11/16/2005 traded Ben Julianel for Ron Villone - GOOD TRADE
12/8/2005 traded Tony Womack and cash for Kevin Howard and Benjamin Himes - WASH
5/24/2006 traded Cash for Nick Green - WASH
7/26/2006 traded Hector Made for Sal Fasano - GOOD TRADE
7/30/2006 traded C.J. Henry, Matt Smith, Jesus Sanchez and Carlos Monastrios for Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle - EXCELLENT TRADE
7/31/2006 traded Shawn Chacon for Craig Wilson - WASH
11/10/2006 traded Gary Sheffield for Anthony Claggett, Humberto Sanchez and Kevin Whelan - GOOD TRADE
11/12/2006 traded Jaret Wright and cash for Chris Britton - BAD TRADE
1/9/2007 traded Randy Johnson and cash for Luis Vizcaino, Ross Ohlendorf, Alberto Gonzalez and Steven Jackson - WASH
7/21/2007 traded Jeff Kenard for Jose Molina - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2007 traded Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit - WASH
12/4/2007 traded Tyler Clippard for Jonathan Albaladejo - GOOD TRADE

FA Signings:
3/23/1998 signed Orlando Hernandez for 4 years/ $6.6M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
9/29/1998 signed Alfonso Soriano for 5 years/ $3.15M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
11/29/1999 signed Mike Stanton for 4 years/ $9.4M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/6/1999 signed David Cone for 1 year/ $9.5M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
1/28/2000 signed Andy Pettitte (extension) to 3 years/ $25.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
5/5/2000 signed Chien-Ming Wang to $1.9M Signing Bonus (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
8/3/2000 signed Roger Clemens (extension) to 2 years/ $30.9M (GOOD SIGNING)
8/7/2000 signed Jose Canseco off Waivers (WASH)
11/30/2000 signed Mike Mussina for 6 years/$88.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/5/2001 signed Robinson Cano as an Amateur Free Agent (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
2/11/2001 signed Mariano Rivera (extension) to 4 years/ $39.99M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
2/10/2001 signed Derek Jeter (extension) to 10 years/ $189M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
11/13/2001 signed Melky Cabrera as an Amateur Free Agent (GOOD SIGNING)
12/7/2001 signed Steve Karsay for 4 years/ $22.25M (BAD SIGNING)
12/13/2001 signed Jason Giambi for 7 years/ $120M (WASH)
12/17/2001 signed Rondell White for 2 years/ $10M (BAD SIGNING)
12/18/2001 signed Sterling Hitchcock for 2 years/ $11M (WASH)
1/17/2002 signed David Wells for 2 years/ $5.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/20/2002 signed Jorge Posada (extension) to 4 years/ $52.4M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/6/2002 signed Robin Ventura for 2 years/ $13.5M (WASH)
12/19/2002 signed Hideki Matsui for 3 years/ $21M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
12/30/2002 signed Roger Clemens (Re-signed) to 1 year/ $10.1M (GOOD SIGNING)
2/4/2003 signed Jon Lieber for 2 years/ $3.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
2/6/2003 signed Jose Contreras for 4 years/ $32M (BAD SIGNING)
12/16/2003 signed Tom Gordon for 2 years/ $7.25M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/19/2003 signed Gary Sheffield for 3 years/ $39M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/6/2004 signed Kenny Lofton for 2 years/ $6.2M (WASH)
3/12/2004 signed Orlando Hernandez for 1 year/ $500K (GOOD SIGNING)
12/20/2004 signed Carl Pavano for 4 years/ $39.95 (BAD SIGNING)
12/20/2004 signed Tony Womack for 1 year/ $2M (WASH)
12/28/2004 signed Jaret Wright for 3 years/ $20M (BAD SIGNING)
12/5/2005 signed Kyle Farnsworth for 3 years/ $17M (BAD SIGNING)
1/3/2006 signed Johnny Damon for 4 years/ $52M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/4/2006 signed Octavio Dotel for 1 year/ $2M (WASH)
2/10/2006 signed Darrell Rasner off Waivers (GOOD SIGNING)
5/?/2006 signed Brian Bruney off Waivers (GOOD SIGNING)
11/27/2006 signed Mike Mussina (Re-signed) to 2 years/ $23M (WASH)
12/8/2006 signed Andy Pettitte for 1 year/ $16M (WASH)
12/19/2006 signed Kei Igawa for 5 years/ $20M (BAD SIGNING)
1/8/2007 signed Doug Mientkiewicz for 1 year/ $1.5M (WASH)
5/6/2007 signed Roger Clemens for 1 year/Pro-rated from 6/9/07 for $17.4M (BAD SIGNING)
11/13/2007 signed Jorge Posada (Re-signed) to 4 years/ $52.4M (?)
11/19/2007 signed Mariano Rivera (Re-signed) to 3 years/ $45M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/12/2007 signed Andy Pettitte (Re-signed) to 1 year/ $16M (WASH)
12/13/2007 signed Alex Rodriguez (Re-signed) to 10 years/ $275M (?)
2/7/2008 signed Robinson Cano (extension) to 4 years/ $30M (GOOD SIGNING)

Draft Picks:
1998 drafted Mark Prior 1st rd. supplemental (did not sign)
1998 drafted Randy Keisler 2nd rd.
1998 drafted Drew Henson 3rd rd.
1998 drafted Nook Logan 40th rd.
2001 drafted Shelley Duncan 2nd rd.
2001 drafted Chase Wright 3rd rd.
2001 drafted Philip Humber (Did not sign) 29th rd.
2003 drafted Tyler Clippard 9th rd.
2003 drafted Jeff Karstens 19th rd.
2004 drafted Philip Hughes 23rd rd. Compensatory (Andy Pettitte)
2005 drafted Austin Jackson 8th rd.
2006 drafted Ian Kennedy 1st rd. Compensatory (Tom Gordon)
2006 drafted Joba Chamberlain 1st rd. Supplemental (Tom Gordon)

You guys already know the moves he made this past offseason in acquiring Swisher, CC, AJB, Pettitte, Berroa & Ramiro Pena looks to be a nice young SS prospect for us to groom for the future.


As you can see, he's made his fair share of good moves & bad moves, & other moves that were a comparable wash, but for the most part the good moves outweigh the bad, & there's absolutely no denying the results achieved in terms of championships & division titles & overall games won during his tenure, which is unmatched by any other GM in baseball... the only young players he's traded away that have amounted to much in the majors that he didn't get good value in return for has been Mike Lowell & Ted Lilly... there have been other young players he's traded away like Juan Rivera, Nick Johnson, Dioner Navarro, Marcus Thames & Christian Guzman who have become quality players in the majors, but he got back good players in every 1 of those deals that helped this team... he's also signed a good amount of quality young talent for our minor leagues like Soriano, Wang & Cano, as well as drafted some very good young talent like Hughes, Kennedy, Joba & Austin Jackson while completely rebuilding the farm system from 1 of the worst in baseball to 1 of the best.

so yeah, take ur digs at Cashman, call him a bad GM or below average GM or whatever else u wanna call him, but there's really no arguing w/the facts here, & i still have yet to hear anyone tell me who would have done such a better job than he has over the time he's been here.

A list of pleasant trades doesn't make a an outstanding GM. (Just saw this list again.) There doesn't seem to be any philosophy underlying these moves other than "If we get big number producing hitters, we can outscore everyone." All I see here is a GM who put about 80% of his mental energy into big name hitters and until this last off-season, saved the remaining 20% for pitching. That's probably part of why we were in the desperate situation we were in for pitching this off-season and simply had to gamble on the guys we gambled on.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

for 1 last time & just to clear up once & for all:

CASHMAN'S NOTABLE MOVES AS YANKEES' GM '98-'08:

Trades:
2/6/1998 traded Brian Buchanan, Christian Guzman, Eric Milton, Danny Mota and cash for Chuck Knoblauch - GOOD TRADE
2/1/1999 traded Mike Lowell for Mark Johnson, Todd Noel and Ed Yarnall - BAD TRADE
2/18/1999 traded Homer Bush, Graeme Lloyd and David Wells for Roger Clemens - EXCELLENT TRADE
12/22/1999 traded Hideki Irabu for Jake Westbrook and 2 PTBNL: Ted Lilly and Christian Parker - EXCELLENT TRADE
6/20/2000 traded Jim Leyritz for Jose Vizcaino and cash - GOOD TRADE
6/29/2000 traded Ricky Ledee, Jake Westbrook, and Zach Day for David Justice - EXCELLENT TRADE
7/12/2000 traded Ed Yarnall, Drew Henson, Jackson Melian and Brian Reith for Mike Frank and Denny Neagle - WASH
7/21/2000 traded Ben Ford and Oswaldo Mairena for Glenallen Hill - GOOD TRADE
8/7/2000 traded Chris Spurling for Luis Sojo - GOOD TRADE
3/21/2001 traded Wily Mo Pena for Drew Henson and Michael Coleman - BAD TRADE
3/30/2001 traded Craig Dingman for PTBNL: Jorge de Paula - GOOD TRADE
6/13/2001 traded Damaso Marte for Enrique Wilson - BAD TRADE
6/23/2001 traded D'Angelo Jimenez for Jay Witasick - BAD TRADE
7/1/2001 traded Ricardo Aramboles for Mark Wohlers - WASH
7/4/2001 traded Brian Boehringer for Bobby Estalella and Joe Smith - GOOD TRADE
7/30/2001 traded Brett Jodie and Darren Blakely for Sterling Hitchcock - GOOD TRADE
8/31/2001 traded 2 PTBNL: Rosman Garcia and Randy Flores for Randy Velarde - WASH
12/7/2001 traded David Justice for Robin Ventura - GOOD TRADE
12/13/2001 traded Jay Witasick for John Vander Wal - WASH
7/1/2002 traded Scott Wiggins for Raul Mondesi - GOOD TRADE
7/5/2002 traded Ted Lilly, Jason Arnold and John Ford Griffin for Jeff Weaver - BAD TRADE
1/15/2003 traded Orlando Hernandez for Antonio Osuna and Delvis Lantigua - BAD TRADE
3/19/2003 traded Rondell White for Bubba Trammell, Mark Phillips and cash - WASH
6/6/2003 traded Marcus Thames for Ruben Sierra - GOOD TRADE
6/25/2003 traded Cash for Karim Garcia - GOOD TRADE
6/25/2003 traded PTBNL for Dan Miceli - GOOD TRADE
7/16/2003 traded Jason Anderson, Ryan Bicondoa and Anderson Garcia for Armando Benitez - BAD TRADE
7/22/2003 traded PTBNL for Jesse Orosco - GOOD TRADE
7/29/2003 traded Raul Mondesi and cash for David Dellucci, Bret Prinz and John Prowl - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2003 traded PTBNL for Gabe White - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2003 traded Brandon Claussen, Charlie Manning and cash for Aaron Boone - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2003 traded Robin Ventura for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor - GOOD TRADE
8/6/2003 traded Armando Benitez for Jeff Nelson - GOOD TRADE
8/22/2003 traded Sterling Hitchcock for Justin Pope and Ben Julianel - BAD TRADE
8/31/2003 traded Jesse Orosco for PTBNL: Juan Padilla - WASH
12/13/2003 traded Jeff Weaver, Brandon Weeden, Yhency Brazoban and cash for Kevin Brown - WASH
12/16/2003 traded Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera and Randy Choate for Javier Vazquez - BAD TRADE
12/18/2003 traded Chris Hammond and cash for Eduardo Sierra and J.T. Stotts - BAD TRADE
2/5/2004 traded Jose Garcia for Mike Lamb - GOOD TRADE
2/16/2004 traded Alfonso Soriano and a PTBNL: Joaquin Arias for Alex Rodriguez and cash - EXCELLENT TRADE
3/25/2004 traded Mike Lamb for Juan DeLeon - BAD TRADE
5/15/2004 traded Brian Myrow for Tanyon Sturtze - GOOD TRADE
6/18/2004 traded Gabe White for Charlie Manning and cash - WASH
7/31/2004 traded Jose Contreras and cash for Esteban Loaiza - BAD TRADE
12/3/2004 traded Felix Heredia for Mike Stanton - GOOD TRADE
12/3/2004 traded Kenny Lofton for Felix Rodriguez - WASH
1/11/2005 traded Javier Vazquez, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro and cash for Randy Johnson - GOOD TRADE
3/29/2005 traded Bret Prinz for Wil Nieves - WASH
7/2/2005 traded Paul Quantrill for Darrell May, Tim Redding and cash - WASH
7/16/2005 traded PTBNL for Al Leiter - GOOD TRADE
7/28/2005 traded Ramon Ramirez and Eduardo Sierra for Shawn Chacon - GOOD TRADE
8/27/2005 traded Justin Berg for Matt Lawton - WASH
11/16/2005 traded Ben Julianel for Ron Villone - GOOD TRADE
12/8/2005 traded Tony Womack and cash for Kevin Howard and Benjamin Himes - WASH
5/24/2006 traded Cash for Nick Green - WASH
7/26/2006 traded Hector Made for Sal Fasano - GOOD TRADE
7/30/2006 traded C.J. Henry, Matt Smith, Jesus Sanchez and Carlos Monastrios for Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle - EXCELLENT TRADE
7/31/2006 traded Shawn Chacon for Craig Wilson - WASH
11/10/2006 traded Gary Sheffield for Anthony Claggett, Humberto Sanchez and Kevin Whelan - GOOD TRADE
11/12/2006 traded Jaret Wright and cash for Chris Britton - BAD TRADE
1/9/2007 traded Randy Johnson and cash for Luis Vizcaino, Ross Ohlendorf, Alberto Gonzalez and Steven Jackson - WASH
7/21/2007 traded Jeff Kenard for Jose Molina - GOOD TRADE
7/31/2007 traded Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit - WASH
12/4/2007 traded Tyler Clippard for Jonathan Albaladejo - GOOD TRADE

FA Signings:
3/23/1998 signed Orlando Hernandez for 4 years/ $6.6M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
9/29/1998 signed Alfonso Soriano for 5 years/ $3.15M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
11/29/1999 signed Mike Stanton for 4 years/ $9.4M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/6/1999 signed David Cone for 1 year/ $9.5M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
1/28/2000 signed Andy Pettitte (extension) to 3 years/ $25.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
5/5/2000 signed Chien-Ming Wang to $1.9M Signing Bonus (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
8/3/2000 signed Roger Clemens (extension) to 2 years/ $30.9M (GOOD SIGNING)
8/7/2000 signed Jose Canseco off Waivers (WASH)
11/30/2000 signed Mike Mussina for 6 years/$88.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/5/2001 signed Robinson Cano as an Amateur Free Agent (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
2/11/2001 signed Mariano Rivera (extension) to 4 years/ $39.99M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
2/10/2001 signed Derek Jeter (extension) to 10 years/ $189M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
11/13/2001 signed Melky Cabrera as an Amateur Free Agent (GOOD SIGNING)
12/7/2001 signed Steve Karsay for 4 years/ $22.25M (BAD SIGNING)
12/13/2001 signed Jason Giambi for 7 years/ $120M (WASH)
12/17/2001 signed Rondell White for 2 years/ $10M (BAD SIGNING)
12/18/2001 signed Sterling Hitchcock for 2 years/ $11M (WASH)
1/17/2002 signed David Wells for 2 years/ $5.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/20/2002 signed Jorge Posada (extension) to 4 years/ $52.4M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/6/2002 signed Robin Ventura for 2 years/ $13.5M (WASH)
12/19/2002 signed Hideki Matsui for 3 years/ $21M (EXCELLENT SIGNING)
12/30/2002 signed Roger Clemens (Re-signed) to 1 year/ $10.1M (GOOD SIGNING)
2/4/2003 signed Jon Lieber for 2 years/ $3.5M (GOOD SIGNING)
2/6/2003 signed Jose Contreras for 4 years/ $32M (BAD SIGNING)
12/16/2003 signed Tom Gordon for 2 years/ $7.25M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/19/2003 signed Gary Sheffield for 3 years/ $39M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/6/2004 signed Kenny Lofton for 2 years/ $6.2M (WASH)
3/12/2004 signed Orlando Hernandez for 1 year/ $500K (GOOD SIGNING)
12/20/2004 signed Carl Pavano for 4 years/ $39.95 (BAD SIGNING)
12/20/2004 signed Tony Womack for 1 year/ $2M (WASH)
12/28/2004 signed Jaret Wright for 3 years/ $20M (BAD SIGNING)
12/5/2005 signed Kyle Farnsworth for 3 years/ $17M (BAD SIGNING)
1/3/2006 signed Johnny Damon for 4 years/ $52M (GOOD SIGNING)
1/4/2006 signed Octavio Dotel for 1 year/ $2M (WASH)
2/10/2006 signed Darrell Rasner off Waivers (GOOD SIGNING)
5/?/2006 signed Brian Bruney off Waivers (GOOD SIGNING)
11/27/2006 signed Mike Mussina (Re-signed) to 2 years/ $23M (WASH)
12/8/2006 signed Andy Pettitte for 1 year/ $16M (WASH)
12/19/2006 signed Kei Igawa for 5 years/ $20M (BAD SIGNING)
1/8/2007 signed Doug Mientkiewicz for 1 year/ $1.5M (WASH)
5/6/2007 signed Roger Clemens for 1 year/Pro-rated from 6/9/07 for $17.4M (BAD SIGNING)
11/13/2007 signed Jorge Posada (Re-signed) to 4 years/ $52.4M (?)
11/19/2007 signed Mariano Rivera (Re-signed) to 3 years/ $45M (GOOD SIGNING)
12/12/2007 signed Andy Pettitte (Re-signed) to 1 year/ $16M (WASH)
12/13/2007 signed Alex Rodriguez (Re-signed) to 10 years/ $275M (?)
2/7/2008 signed Robinson Cano (extension) to 4 years/ $30M (GOOD SIGNING)

Draft Picks:
1998 drafted Mark Prior 1st rd. supplemental (did not sign)
1998 drafted Randy Keisler 2nd rd.
1998 drafted Drew Henson 3rd rd.
1998 drafted Nook Logan 40th rd.
2001 drafted Shelley Duncan 2nd rd.
2001 drafted Chase Wright 3rd rd.
2001 drafted Philip Humber (Did not sign) 29th rd.
2003 drafted Tyler Clippard 9th rd.
2003 drafted Jeff Karstens 19th rd.
2004 drafted Philip Hughes 23rd rd. Compensatory (Andy Pettitte)
2005 drafted Austin Jackson 8th rd.
2006 drafted Ian Kennedy 1st rd. Compensatory (Tom Gordon)
2006 drafted Joba Chamberlain 1st rd. Supplemental (Tom Gordon)

You guys already know the moves he made this past offseason in acquiring Swisher, CC, AJB, Pettitte, Berroa & Ramiro Pena looks to be a nice young SS prospect for us to groom for the future.


As you can see, he's made his fair share of good moves & bad moves, & other moves that were a comparable wash, but for the most part the good moves outweigh the bad, & there's absolutely no denying the results achieved in terms of championships & division titles & overall games won during his tenure, which is unmatched by any other GM in baseball... the only young players he's traded away that have amounted to much in the majors that he didn't get good value in return for has been Mike Lowell & Ted Lilly... there have been other young players he's traded away like Juan Rivera, Nick Johnson, Dioner Navarro, Marcus Thames & Christian Guzman who have become quality players in the majors, but he got back good players in every 1 of those deals that helped this team... he's also signed a good amount of quality young talent for our minor leagues like Soriano, Wang & Cano, as well as drafted some very good young talent like Hughes, Kennedy, Joba & Austin Jackson while completely rebuilding the farm system from 1 of the worst in baseball to 1 of the best.

so yeah, take ur digs at Cashman, call him a bad GM or below average GM or whatever else u wanna call him, but there's really no arguing w/the facts here, & i still have yet to hear anyone tell me who would have done such a better job than he has over the time he's been here.

A list of pleasant trades doesn't make a an outstanding GM. (Just saw this list again.) There doesn't seem to be any philosophy underlying these moves other than "If we get big number producing hitters, we can outscore everyone." All I see here is a GM who put about 80% of his mental energy into big name hitters and until this last off-season, saved the remaining 20% for pitching. That's probably part of why we were in the desperate situation we were in for pitching this off-season and simply had to gamble on the guys we gambled on.

those are just about ALL of the moves he's made as a GM since he took over, most of which have panned out nicely for the Yankees' franchise! i didn't just pick & choose some examples to suit my point like you like to do... u telling me i don't understand what a GM does when u can't even point out more than a handful of high profile moves you disagreed with over the past few years that you heard about on Sportscenter is a joke... watch a few more decades of baseball before u try & pretend like you can drop some knowledge on this topic... ur just making urself look more foolish with every post you make... take my advice & cut your losses.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-11-2009 5:48 PM]