Posted by MaTT4281:
Tough loss, especially with blatant missed calls in the mix (Jeter caught stealing, Hinske called out at 2nd).
Still, Yanks take 3 of 4 for the Jays, are 1.5 behind Boston with 6 games left before the All Star break, and are playing some great ball with ARod coming back to life at the plate.
I didn't see the Hinske play but Jeter simply f'd up in the caught stealing. Umpires almost always call you out when the throw beats you by that much. If you're trying to steal 3rd with no outs, you better make it to the base before the catcher even releases the ball. Jeter's a great base-runner. I'll cut him slack but I'm not complaining about that call.
I definitely agree with you in your 2nd paragraph though. The team is playing very well and has as good a shot as any at winning the WS. They're not miles ahead of the competition like the late '90s teams were but they're way ahead of where they were last year.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Tough loss, especially with blatant missed calls in the mix (Jeter caught stealing, Hinske called out at 2nd).
Still, Yanks take 3 of 4 for the Jays, are 1.5 behind Boston with 6 games left before the All Star break, and are playing some great ball with ARod coming back to life at the plate.
I didn't see the Hinske play but Jeter simply f'd up in the caught stealing. Umpires almost always call you out when the throw beats you by that much. If you're trying to steal 3rd with no outs, you better make it to the base before the catcher even releases the ball. Jeter's a great base-runner. I'll cut him slack but I'm not complaining about that call.
I definitely agree with you in your 2nd paragraph though. The team is playing very well and has as good a shot as any at winning the WS. They're not miles ahead of the competition like the late '90s teams were but they're way ahead of where they were last year.
They need to figure out something with their starting pitching though. It's a problem. Wang is almost a no go. At least for this season, you can't trust him. Joba is way too inconsistent, and Andy has been quite average and also inconsistent. It's nice that Burnett is doing better and CC is doing well besides his last start. However, we're going to need more from our other starters if we're going to talk about winning world series.
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Tough loss, especially with blatant missed calls in the mix (Jeter caught stealing, Hinske called out at 2nd).
Still, Yanks take 3 of 4 for the Jays, are 1.5 behind Boston with 6 games left before the All Star break, and are playing some great ball with ARod coming back to life at the plate.
I didn't see the Hinske play but Jeter simply f'd up in the caught stealing. Umpires almost always call you out when the throw beats you by that much. If you're trying to steal 3rd with no outs, you better make it to the base before the catcher even releases the ball. Jeter's a great base-runner. I'll cut him slack but I'm not complaining about that call.
I definitely agree with you in your 2nd paragraph though. The team is playing very well and has as good a shot as any at winning the WS. They're not miles ahead of the competition like the late '90s teams were but they're way ahead of where they were last year.
They need to figure out something with their starting pitching though. It's a problem. Wang is almost a no go. At least for this season, you can't trust him. Joba is way too inconsistent, and Andy has been quite average and also inconsistent. It's nice that Burnett is doing better and CC is doing well besides his last start. However, we're going to need more from our other starters if we're going to talk about winning world series.
I agree. I think/hope Aceves is given a shot as a starter. With Hughes in the 'pen, we can afford to experiment with Aceves. Hughes looked mediocre at best as a starter but looks unhittable as a reliever. I think he's still a somewhat shaky kid. I don't want to keep changing his role. He's settled in nicely as a reliever. Aceves is 26 and I think he could handle the switch better.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-06-2009 9:14 PM]
ROBBIE CANO - WHADDAYA KNOW!!! the RISP streak is over!!!
Yankees own the Twins right now
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
Posted by TMS:
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
I think its starting to get blow out of proportion. JP Ricciardi said he wasn't shopping Halladay but he'd listen to offers if they came in...next thing you know NY papers are saying he's coming to the Yanks. Either way I don't see Toronto trading him within the division, and yes the cost would be prohibitive. I think you'd have to start with Hughes, Montero, Jackson and maybe even add more major league talent.
Posted by TMS:
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one
let's say the price is Hughes, Melky, Jackson & Montero, do you pull the trigger then?
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one
let's say the price is Hughes, Melky, Jackson & Montero, do you pull the trigger then?
I'd feel a little nauseous but I'd pull the trigger, yes, if they threw in Frasor too and probably yes if not... but I think they'd throw him with that package
[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-08-2009 4:21 PM]
I know you're not asking me but I'll give a resounding yes anyway. As long as superstar position players like Teix are gonna be abundant in the FA market (and I see no reason for that to change), I have no reluctance trading a position player for a Cy Young level pitcher in his prime. I like Hughes a lot and would give him up for only something very special. IMO, however, the odds are in favor of Halladay giving us more Cy Young level starting pitching seasons than Hughes. I'd rather include Cano than Hughes even if we have to eat some of Cano's salary, play Pena and potentially Hinske at 2nd base, and sign the best available FA at 2nd base, though.
Posted by Bonn1997:
I know you're not asking me but I'll give a resounding yes anyway. As long as superstar position players like Teix are gonna be abundant in the FA market (and I see no reason for that to change), I have no reluctance trading a position player for a Cy Young level pitcher in his prime. I like Hughes a lot and would give him up for only something very special. IMO, however, the odds are in favor of Halladay giving us more Cy Young level starting pitching seasons than Hughes. I'd rather include Cano than Hughes even if we have to eat some of Cano's salary, play Pena and potentially Hinske at 2nd base, and sign the best available FA at 2nd base, though.
I am agreement with this post
The other thing is I am a firm believer in matching the length of assets. The way the Yankees are currently built, they're at this weird level where they'll always be competitive but fail to make the post season or come up short in the post season. I'm okay with given up future production of guys that need to learn the ropes, almost or are already ready for the bigs, and not ready to contribute to a contender yet and who knows if they'll ever produce. You can do that with one or two players, but I don't like it when half the team is a bunch of vets with 150,000 miles and the other half hasn't been driven off the lot.
A playoff rotation of CC, Halladay, and Burnett does it for me in a way where I would be a one man bukkake show that makes Peter North look like an amateur
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one
let's say the price is Hughes, Melky, Jackson & Montero, do you pull the trigger then?
I'd feel a little nauseous but I'd pull the trigger, yes, if they threw in Frasor too and probably yes if not... but I think they'd throw him with that package
[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-08-2009 4:21 PM]
speaking for myself, i love Halladay but he's 32 right now & will probably gonna start on his decline in a year or 2... i realize having him on the team would improve our chances of winning the WS this year by a wide margin, but to go all in on a 1-2 year move & give up all that in young talent is a hard pill for me to swallow, especially now w/Hughes throwing as well as he is & Melky so clutch for us all year... if we could replace Hughes w/Kennedy in that package i'd say definitely yes, but you know TOR isn't biting on anything less than a mindblowingly great offer from us, & IMO even that original package i just proposed might not even be enough... they'd probably ask for both Hughes, Cano & another top prospect like Jax or Montero for Doc.
no to halladay. cost will be too much.
i'm fine going with cc + aj + hottest pitcher in the postseason...
Posted by djsunyc:
no to halladay. cost will be too much.
i'm fine going with cc + aj + hottest pitcher in the postseason...
The pieces we'd have to give up to get him are all replaceable.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.
The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one
let's say the price is Hughes, Melky, Jackson & Montero, do you pull the trigger then?
I'd feel a little nauseous but I'd pull the trigger, yes, if they threw in Frasor too and probably yes if not... but I think they'd throw him with that package
[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-08-2009 4:21 PM]
speaking for myself, i love Halladay but he's 32 right now & will probably gonna start on his decline in a year or 2... i realize having him on the team would improve our chances of winning the WS this year by a wide margin, but to go all in on a 1-2 year move & give up all that in young talent is a hard pill for me to swallow, especially now w/Hughes throwing as well as he is & Melky so clutch for us all year... if we could replace Hughes w/Kennedy in that package i'd say definitely yes, but you know TOR isn't biting on anything less than a mindblowingly great offer from us, & IMO even that original package i just proposed might not even be enough... they'd probably ask for both Hughes, Cano & another top prospect like Jax or Montero for Doc.
I feel you dude, I do. It's a lot to give up. But the Santana package seemed like a lot to give up and I regret that not happening. I would regret not getting Halladay even moreso because of his proven track record in the AL East--irregardless of hwo all the other players turn out. He's got 2-3 years left maybe as many 5. Who knows. But we know he's capable of winning a Cy Young for us...
That said I totally respect not wanting to give up a lot of value...
I'm a huge Halladay fan but I don't wanna be short-sighted. I still believe Hughes is gonna have a Halladay like career and Jackson and Montero could be 10 yr regulars. Both are doing outstanding things at a young age.
Posted by djsunyc:
no to halladay. cost will be too much.
i'm fine going with cc + aj + hottest pitcher in the postseason...
for the next 2 or 3 years the Yanks would almost assuredly win the first round with just hose three starting and Chamberlain moved to the pen for October and would be able to get 5 or 6 games out of two aces with a borderline third. That's awesome. And when Jeter, Posada, and Mo hang it up, the team will not be contending irregardless of who replaces them. Field the best team you can while they're playing or trade them to surround these young prospects more young prospects. I do not believe you can have it both ways and think it is a grave mistake to try
BTW Molina activated, Cervelli down. Cervelli did a great job for us when he was up- called a great game, great throwing arm, had some important hits. He should get the backup catcher job next year.
BTW, the Jays released BJ Ryan. Would anyone be interested in picking him up? He's struggled mightily this year and since his injury, but if he could settle in a bit he could be a great pickup
Posted by VDesai:
BTW, the Jays released BJ Ryan. Would anyone be interested in picking him up? He's struggled mightily this year and since his injury, but if he could settle in a bit he could be a great pickup
I'd take a flyer on him no problem. Any pitcher that's been good in the AL East I will never have a problem trying out. Lefty specialist, anyone?
G GS W L SV BS HLD CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
vs. Left 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9.1 9 - - 1 7 9 - 1.71 .250
vs. Right 25 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 0 11.1 13 - - 4 10 4 - 2.03 .333
