red sox fans really are a buncha douchebags....
Teacher and Sox Fan Tells His Student to Turn his Yankee Shirt Inside Out
By Cameron Martin
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 2:21 pm ET
Few things in this world are more pathetic than an adult subjecting children to their sports fanatacism. Take the Red Sox fan in Baldwinsville, New York, who allegedly ordered a 9-year-old student to turn his Yankees shirt inside out for the rest of the day. Is it this kid’s fault he’s a Yankees fan? No. He wasn’t even cognizant of his surroundings the last time the Yankees won the World Series (2000), so Nathan Johns’ allegiance is obviously based on his family and his unfortunate place of residence. But you can’t lay that on the kid. And you certainly can’t tell him to turn his CC Sabathia jersey inside out, even if that jersey speaks to the boy’s recently purchased loyalty.
Yet that’s what teacher Peter Addabbo allegedly did last Wednesday. And when Nathan Johns went home and told his parents? Whoa, boy. They insist the boy’s First Amendment rights were violated, and the story raised such a stink locally that the Yankees have now gotten involved and will now award Johns with some kind of loyalty reward.
Yankees Special Events, Alumni Services & Fan Services Manager, Robert Bernstein, received an article from the town paper describing what happened. Now, Nate’s expecting a gift basket from the team as a "thank you" for his loyalty.
Bernstein wouldn’t say what’s in the basket; he says the Yankees want to keep that a surprise.
Meanwhile, the school is investigating the complaint, Superintendent Jeanne Dangle said. She told reporters she’s still collecting the facts, and will contact the parents once she’s talked to the other students and the instructor at the center of the controversy. (WPIX.com)
Maybe the teacher was kidding. (Likely). Maybe it doesn’t matter. (Definitely). You don’t bring the stupidity of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry into the classroom, teacher. You wait for a student who’s a Red Sox fan to start a fight with this Yankee fan, then you wait till the Sox fan gets in a few good shots before breaking it up. Seriously, I should be a teacher.
Sox seem to be fading... the Angels don't scare me as much but they're playing the En Memorium of Nick Adenhart card. I'm hoping the Tigers (or Twins) burnout because I fear them playing for their postseason lives and subsequently being in playoff mode for the past month
Joba looks to become our fifth pitcher with double digit wins.
AJ has pitched better than his record. Look at the ratio of quality starts to wins of our three big pitchers
CC: 21 to 19
Pettitte: 17 to 14
AJ: 21 to 12
Any pitcher with 21 quality starts should have far more than 12 wins.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-30-2009 10:10 AM]
Just as an aside, Carl Pavano just got lit up by Detroit, in Minnesota's most important game of the season. I know the Twins only spend about a seven dollars in the offseason, but shame on them for entrusting their season to that clown. That fool had no remorse in his theft from the Yankees. He has no honor; no dignity.
Couldnt be happier. Go Bombers. Everything is right where it should be.
I've got nothing to say Joba.
^^^he got boo'ed pretty bad as he left the field last night. dont know whats up w him but he may become a liability for us in the post season. right now, i only trust cc and andy w the ball to start games. although burnett's looked ok in his last 5 starts, he's gotta prove his stuff in the playoffs.
The Yankees have literally ruined Joba. Ruined.
Posted by nyk4ever:
The Yankees have literally ruined Joba. Ruined.
they tried something that's never been tried before trying to preserve a pitcher's health. i have no issues with what they were trying to do. but during the first 2 months, they didn't restrict anything. he was allowed to start every 5 days and go as far as he could within 100 pitches. he was not throwing 95+ and he was nibbling and not throwing strikes. it seems he was 3-2 on every hitter. don't know what happened but it's quite possible that *this* is the pitcher joba is supposed to be, not the guy that looked dominant at times last year.
huge difference between throwing 94 and 98. i mean he was throwing 95/96 vs the redsox and the next start, doesn't crack 91 vs. the royals. what gives?
now, the past 2-3 months, they decided to do all that stuff to his routine and it looks like it didn't work. but ultimately, i think the goal was to preserve his arm for the long haul. next year, he should be up to a 180 innings limit so we'll see what he's made of. he needs to lose more weight and they need to figure out what happened to his velocity.
with all the arm surgeries for pitchers with less than 3 years MLB service time going on, i have absolutely no problems with the yanks trying something different to prevent that from happening to their guys.
[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-01-2009 10:20 AM]
Posted by jimimou:
^^^he got boo'ed pretty bad as he left the field last night. dont know whats up w him but he may become a liability for us in the post season. right now, i only trust cc and andy w the ball to start games. although burnett's looked ok in his last 5 starts, he's gotta prove his stuff in the playoffs.
postseason is a crapshoot. cc has not pitched well in the postseason. andy is old. and aj has never pitched there. don't know what you're gonna get from any of these guys. rockies went to the world series 2 years ago riding a wave of momentum (and being the wild card team) so the regular season doesn't have as much bearing as it used to in the post season.
with that said, i think the yanks have a really good team and hope their late inning performances this year hold up in the postseason.
my biggest concern is outfield defense. damon + swisher are not good fielders.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by jimimou:
^^^he got boo'ed pretty bad as he left the field last night. dont know whats up w him but he may become a liability for us in the post season. right now, i only trust cc and andy w the ball to start games. although burnett's looked ok in his last 5 starts, he's gotta prove his stuff in the playoffs.
postseason is a crapshoot. cc has not pitched well in the postseason. andy is old. and aj has never pitched there. don't know what you're gonna get from any of these guys. rockies went to the world series 2 years ago riding a wave of momentum (and being the wild card team) so the regular season doesn't have as much bearing as it used to in the post season.
with that said, i think the yanks have a really good team and hope their late inning performances this year hold up in the postseason.
my biggest concern is outfield defense. damon + swisher are not good fielders.
see su - we all have our own concerns....
Posted by nyk4ever:
The Yankees have literally ruined Joba. Ruined.
I'm with you. Pitchers pitch. What they don't do is pitch only at 4:03 with 0-15 MPH winds with blue skies and only when served meatloaf and only after catching an epsidoe of Seinfeld except when Obama is addressing the nation and only when the Dow Jones goes up not down.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
The Yankees have literally ruined Joba. Ruined.
they tried something that's never been tried before trying to preserve a pitcher's health. i have no issues with what they were trying to do. but during the first 2 months, they didn't restrict anything. he was allowed to start every 5 days and go as far as he could within 100 pitches. he was not throwing 95+ and he was nibbling and not throwing strikes. it seems he was 3-2 on every hitter. don't know what happened but it's quite possible that *this* is the pitcher joba is supposed to be, not the guy that looked dominant at times last year.
huge difference between throwing 94 and 98. i mean he was throwing 95/96 vs the redsox and the next start, doesn't crack 91 vs. the royals. what gives?
now, the past 2-3 months, they decided to do all that stuff to his routine and it looks like it didn't work. but ultimately, i think the goal was to preserve his arm for the long haul. next year, he should be up to a 180 innings limit so we'll see what he's made of. he needs to lose more weight and they need to figure out what happened to his velocity.
with all the arm surgeries for pitchers with less than 3 years MLB service time going on, i have absolutely no problems with the yanks trying something different to prevent that from happening to their guys.
[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-01-2009 10:20 AM]
I disagree with the babying of pitchers. Pitchers are going to get injured whether they start their careers out throwing 100 innings a year or throwing 200 innings in their first season. Where are the guys in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s getting injured because they weren't brought along slowly?
My bigger point is that Joba shouldnt be a starter anyway. He wasn't a good starter in college or the minors and they tried to make him into something he wasn't, just so they could "build a star." His stuff projects as a closer anyway so what was the point.
joba was 16-7 with a 3.37 era in college. 237k's in 200ip.
he was 4-0 in single A as a starter with a 2.03 era in 7 games.
then went 4-2 in AA as a starter with a 3.43 era in 7 games with 62 k's.
not to mention how good he looked as a starter last year.
that's, at the worst, being a decent starter.
the babying of pitchers is something that needs to be start at the single A level and is a organizational culture shift. yankees haven't done that yet so you gotta deal with joba's innings in the here and now.
imho, athletes are bigger, have different training methods, and different eating habits - so today's athlete is different from one 20 years ago. and technology has advanced to the stage where minor tears are recognized whereas in 1985, a guy would pitch through it without knowing what it was. plus, the $$$'s spent on these guys is way more today. i think there are valid reasons to protect an investment.
[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-01-2009 12:31 PM]
Posted by nyk4ever:
The Yankees have literally ruined Joba. Ruined.
His season was much better than the first full season most ace starters have. It's obvious his arm strength wasn't where it needed to be for the last quarter of the season. Having gone through this, he should be in a much better position for next season.
Posted by djsunyc:
joba was 16-7 with a 3.37 era in college. 237k's in 200ip.
he was 4-0 in single A as a starter with a 2.03 era in 7 games.
then went 4-2 in AA as a starter with a 3.43 era in 7 games with 62 k's.
not to mention how good he looked as a starter last year.
that's, at the worst, being a decent starter.
the babying of pitchers is something that needs to be start at the single A level and is a organizational culture shift. yankees haven't done that yet so you gotta deal with joba's innings in the here and now.
imho, athletes are bigger, have different training methods, and different eating habits - so today's athlete is different from one 20 years ago. and technology has advanced to the stage where minor tears are recognized whereas in 1985, a guy would pitch through it without knowing what it was. plus, the $$$'s spent on these guys is way more today. i think there are valid reasons to protect an investment.
[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-01-2009 12:31 PM]
Plus we don't know how many good careers were ruined by not babying pitchers. We tend to forget about all the promising players who were threw lots of innings early and never had good careers--or we attribute their poor careers to something else, even though we really don't know that the problem might have simply been damage due to overuse. I suspect the kinesiologists and orthopedists advising the Yankees know a lot more about this than anyone posting here.
But if Joba's whole career is ruined, as might as well waive him. Why waste a roster spot on someone whose career is ruined. Is that really what you guys are advocating or was it just an emotional reaction when you said his career was ruined?
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-01-2009 4:04 PM]
Bonn, I'm honestly not even so quick to blame the Yankees for this. Yes, I completely agree that they could have done a better job than this. However, it's still up to Joba to keep his head on his shoulders and his arm and mind prepared for the game. If Jobas not preparing himself well or if his head is not where it should be, then I have to give him a lot of the blame.
I don't think ANYBODY has mentioned this, but I bet he could try to lose some weight. It's amazing that CC is able to do it, but most people aren't CC and neither is Joba. If he lost maybe 15 lbs, even 20, I bet he's good to go.
You don't need to *blame* anyone because nothing blameworthy has happened IMO. I think people are expecting too much from Joba because he did very well in a relatively small sample of games previously--much like they did a couple of years ago after Ian Kennedy looked outstanding and much like I suspect they will do next year with Phil Hughes given what we observed of him for half of one season as a reliever.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-01-2009 6:43 PM]
Man ugly game so far and a bad one for CC. Didn't have his good stuff at all. 9-1 top 4. Maybe this is what he needed -- get a stinker out of the way before he dials it up and gets the juices flowing for a game one when it matters most. Coney & Kay saying the exact same thing now. He'll be ready for game 1...
i said it before & i'll say it again, Joba belongs in the bullpen... as a reliever he is absolutely dominant... as a starter he's just sorta average... the numbers below point out this fact clearly... also, the difference in his demeanor on the mound when he's coming in as a reliever is starkly different to the way he pitches when he's starting games IMO... nevermind the clear difference you see in his fastball velocity, which increases to the 97-98 mph range in his 1-2 inning stints out of the pen as opposed to his 93-94 mph fastballs as a starter which are clearly more hittable & not thrown with as much conviction.
Joba's career #'s
as a starter:
43 games
12W - 7L
4.18 ERA
8.4 K/9
.266 OPP AVG.
as a reliever:
50 games
3W - 2L
1.50 ERA
11.9 K/9
.182 OPP AVG.
personally i'd rather have this guy positively affecting 60 games a year in a relief role while putting up dominant #'s like this than to have him putting up non-spectacular #'s as a starter for our team... i've heard all the arguments in support of molding Joba into a starting pitcher & yeah i know he came up as a starter in the minors... but there's no arguing the fact that Joba's been a much, much more effective reliever than he's been a starting pitcher.
Posted by TMS:
i said it before & i'll say it again, Joba belongs in the bullpen... as a reliever he is absolutely dominant... as a starter he's just sorta average... the numbers below point out this fact clearly... also, the difference in his demeanor on the mound when he's coming in as a reliever is starkly different to the way he pitches when he's starting games IMO... nevermind the clear difference you see in his fastball velocity, which increases to the 97-98 mph range in his 1-2 inning stints out of the pen as opposed to his 93-94 mph fastballs as a starter which are clearly more hittable & not thrown with as much conviction.
Joba's career #'s
as a starter:
43 games
12W - 7L
4.18 ERA
8.4 K/9
.266 OPP AVG.
as a reliever:
50 games
3W - 2L
1.50 ERA
11.9 K/9
.182 OPP AVG.
personally i'd rather have this guy positively affecting 60 games a year in a relief role while putting up dominant #'s like this than to have him putting up non-spectacular #'s as a starter for our team... i've heard all the arguments in support of molding Joba into a starting pitcher & yeah i know he came up as a starter in the minors... but there's no arguing the fact that Joba's been a much, much more effective reliever than he's been a starting pitcher.
Thank you good sir.
Its a small major league sample size, and ace starters have come out of far worse numbers. Its easier to pitch in one inning spurs. Also his minor league dominance portends he will eventually have success in the majors. But for now, we need him in the bullpen for the first round.
On another note, A-Rod needs 2 hrs and 7 RBI to get 30/100 for a record 13th time, and he does it ONE INNING. How amazing is that guy....
