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Its a small major league sample size, and ace starters have come out of far worse numbers. Its easier to pitch in one inning spurs. Also his minor league dominance portends he will eventually have success in the majors. But for now, we need him in the bullpen for the first round.

On another note, A-Rod needs 2 hrs and 7 RBI to get 30/100 for a record 13th time, and he does it ONE INNING. How amazing is that guy....

I thought Joba wanted to be a starter and Yanks wanted him in relief?

Yankees invest millions in pitchers and do what they can to keep them healthy. Lots of teams will sign players and want them to pitch!!!!

Back to post season and teams: I am impressed over the Twins organization year in and year out doing what they do with what they spend!

Though not at the Yanks expense it would be good for the Tigers to make a run. Lord knows how low it must be like to live in or around Detroit these days! I remember our 2001 run and how good the city felt as the yanks progressed that year. Detroits economy is very tough.

Freaking A-rod had a quiet season after Roid-Gate Part 10 and his hip injury! 30 and 100 is over 162 is 49 and 130!

Posted by jimimou:

red sox fans really are a buncha douchebags....


Teacher and Sox Fan Tells His Student to Turn his Yankee Shirt Inside Out
By Cameron Martin
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 2:21 pm ET

Few things in this world are more pathetic than an adult subjecting children to their sports fanatacism. Take the Red Sox fan in Baldwinsville, New York, who allegedly ordered a 9-year-old student to turn his Yankees shirt inside out for the rest of the day. Is it this kid’s fault he’s a Yankees fan? No. He wasn’t even cognizant of his surroundings the last time the Yankees won the World Series (2000), so Nathan Johns’ allegiance is obviously based on his family and his unfortunate place of residence. But you can’t lay that on the kid. And you certainly can’t tell him to turn his CC Sabathia jersey inside out, even if that jersey speaks to the boy’s recently purchased loyalty.

Yet that’s what teacher Peter Addabbo allegedly did last Wednesday. And when Nathan Johns went home and told his parents? Whoa, boy. They insist the boy’s First Amendment rights were violated, and the story raised such a stink locally that the Yankees have now gotten involved and will now award Johns with some kind of loyalty reward.

Yankees Special Events, Alumni Services & Fan Services Manager, Robert Bernstein, received an article from the town paper describing what happened. Now, Nate’s expecting a gift basket from the team as a "thank you" for his loyalty.

Bernstein wouldn’t say what’s in the basket; he says the Yankees want to keep that a surprise.

Meanwhile, the school is investigating the complaint, Superintendent Jeanne Dangle said. She told reporters she’s still collecting the facts, and will contact the parents once she’s talked to the other students and the instructor at the center of the controversy. (WPIX.com)

Maybe the teacher was kidding. (Likely). Maybe it doesn’t matter. (Definitely). You don’t bring the stupidity of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry into the classroom, teacher. You wait for a student who’s a Red Sox fan to start a fight with this Yankee fan, then you wait till the Sox fan gets in a few good shots before breaking it up. Seriously, I should be a teacher.

The Yankees should get all the kids Yankee Jerseys to wear in class!

Then they should handcuff the teacher and let little Nathon "Aldo" Johns carve the Yankee "NY" on the mofo's farhead!

nalod - you one messed up dude, ya know that? that's a compliment btw...

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TMS:

i said it before & i'll say it again, Joba belongs in the bullpen... as a reliever he is absolutely dominant... as a starter he's just sorta average... the numbers below point out this fact clearly... also, the difference in his demeanor on the mound when he's coming in as a reliever is starkly different to the way he pitches when he's starting games IMO... nevermind the clear difference you see in his fastball velocity, which increases to the 97-98 mph range in his 1-2 inning stints out of the pen as opposed to his 93-94 mph fastballs as a starter which are clearly more hittable & not thrown with as much conviction.

Joba's career #'s

as a starter:
43 games
12W - 7L
4.18 ERA
8.4 K/9
.266 OPP AVG.

as a reliever:
50 games
3W - 2L
1.50 ERA
11.9 K/9
.182 OPP AVG.

personally i'd rather have this guy positively affecting 60 games a year in a relief role while putting up dominant #'s like this than to have him putting up non-spectacular #'s as a starter for our team... i've heard all the arguments in support of molding Joba into a starting pitcher & yeah i know he came up as a starter in the minors... but there's no arguing the fact that Joba's been a much, much more effective reliever than he's been a starting pitcher.

Thank you good sir.

team has won 103 games w/o joba in the pen. until they start losing games in the postseason b/c of joba starting, why not give him every chance to develop there? he may never be a 1 or 2 level starter but even if he's a 3 or 4 level guy, i would rather he start than relieve right now. and why is there no "hughes to the pen" talk? why is it always about joba?

joba in the pen in the alds and in the alcs if we get there - that i agree with. but for next season...he's in the starting rotation.

Posted by VDesai:

Its a small major league sample size, and ace starters have come out of far worse numbers. Its easier to pitch in one inning spurs. Also his minor league dominance portends he will eventually have success in the majors. But for now, we need him in the bullpen for the first round.

On another note, A-Rod needs 2 hrs and 7 RBI to get 30/100 for a record 13th time, and he does it ONE INNING. How amazing is that guy....

arod is awesome...always been a fan of his.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TMS:

i said it before & i'll say it again, Joba belongs in the bullpen... as a reliever he is absolutely dominant... as a starter he's just sorta average... the numbers below point out this fact clearly... also, the difference in his demeanor on the mound when he's coming in as a reliever is starkly different to the way he pitches when he's starting games IMO... nevermind the clear difference you see in his fastball velocity, which increases to the 97-98 mph range in his 1-2 inning stints out of the pen as opposed to his 93-94 mph fastballs as a starter which are clearly more hittable & not thrown with as much conviction.

Joba's career #'s

as a starter:
43 games
12W - 7L
4.18 ERA
8.4 K/9
.266 OPP AVG.

as a reliever:
50 games
3W - 2L
1.50 ERA
11.9 K/9
.182 OPP AVG.

personally i'd rather have this guy positively affecting 60 games a year in a relief role while putting up dominant #'s like this than to have him putting up non-spectacular #'s as a starter for our team... i've heard all the arguments in support of molding Joba into a starting pitcher & yeah i know he came up as a starter in the minors... but there's no arguing the fact that Joba's been a much, much more effective reliever than he's been a starting pitcher.

Thank you good sir.

team has won 103 games w/o joba in the pen. until they start losing games in the postseason b/c of joba starting, why not give him every chance to develop there? he may never be a 1 or 2 level starter but even if he's a 3 or 4 level guy, i would rather he start than relieve right now. and why is there no "hughes to the pen" talk? why is it always about joba?

joba in the pen in the alds and in the alcs if we get there - that i agree with. but for next season...he's in the starting rotation.

I think the talk is always about Joba to the pen because his temperament seems best suited as a reliever. The dude seems to get off on a late inning ending strikeout. He does the KRod scream thing and maybe he's a bit like Papelbon, who the Sox wanted to turn into a starter, except he said "no, I like it in the pen." There's nothing wrong with that and I think the pen best suits Joba's personality and I think that's why everyone liek to talk about Joba going back to the pen.

i would prefer joba in the pen. it not only helps our middle relief game, but as you say, suits him better. he just doesnt seem comfortable as a starter. its been an experiment and hasnt panned out. i think he'll be rejuvenated in the alds.

[Edited by - jimimou on 10-05-2009 4:37 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

Its a small major league sample size, and ace starters have come out of far worse numbers. Its easier to pitch in one inning spurs. Also his minor league dominance portends he will eventually have success in the majors. But for now, we need him in the bullpen for the first round.

On another note, A-Rod needs 2 hrs and 7 RBI to get 30/100 for a record 13th time, and he does it ONE INNING. How amazing is that guy....

arod is awesome...always been a fan of his.

The only Yankees jersey I ever bought was ARod's, but that had more to do with the fact that there were a lot of Sox fans at my college and I wanted to rub it in that he got traded to my team.

Turns out the surgery was the best thing that could happen... the guy is so great he puts such high expectations on himself. He's basically admitted that because of the injury this is the first season as a Yank he had no expectations, meaning there's no internal pressure. I think he finally has a big postseason this year because he's not expecting to hit .400 with an RBI each game

arod has always been about how he is perceived. he focused more on how he looked being good rather than just being good. so, he comes to ny, has a few rocky years w the media, madonna, divorce, stripper, fitting in w the yanks, playing 2nd to jeter, etc - this is his first year where he is being himself and it shows. i think youre right SC, he's gonna have a monster post season this year b/c i think this is the first year he has been comfortable being a yankee....

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

Its a small major league sample size, and ace starters have come out of far worse numbers. Its easier to pitch in one inning spurs. Also his minor league dominance portends he will eventually have success in the majors. But for now, we need him in the bullpen for the first round.

On another note, A-Rod needs 2 hrs and 7 RBI to get 30/100 for a record 13th time, and he does it ONE INNING. How amazing is that guy....

arod is awesome...always been a fan of his.

The only Yankees jersey I ever bought was ARod's, but that had more to do with the fact that there were a lot of Sox fans at my college and I wanted to rub it in that he got traded to my team.

Turns out the surgery was the best thing that could happen... the guy is so great he puts such high expectations on himself. He's basically admitted that because of the injury this is the first season as a Yank he had no expectations, meaning there's no internal pressure. I think he finally has a big postseason this year because he's not expecting to hit .400 with an RBI each game

The difference with A-Rod is this year is that his teammates actually like him. He's a more likable guy now and less of a prima donna than before. Whether that had to do with his injury or not, I don't know, but his change in attitude was a big thing to help build chemistry with this team. You can't have your best player basically be insulted and laughed at behind his back by his teammates and disliked among his peers. He had to change his ways and he did. Let's hope that means anything for October.

get ready for the showdown...

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by nyk4ever:

[quote]Posted by TMS:

i said it before & i'll say it again, Joba belongs in the bullpen... as a reliever he is absolutely dominant... as a starter he's just sorta average... the numbers below point out this fact clearly... also, the difference in his demeanor on the mound when he's coming in as a reliever is starkly different to the way he pitches when he's starting games IMO... nevermind the clear difference you see in his fastball velocity, which increases to the 97-98 mph range in his 1-2 inning stints out of the pen as opposed to his 93-94 mph fastballs as a starter which are clearly more hittable & not thrown with as much conviction.

Joba's career #'s

as a starter:
43 games
12W - 7L
4.18 ERA
8.4 K/9
.266 OPP AVG.

as a reliever:
50 games
3W - 2L
1.50 ERA
11.9 K/9
.182 OPP AVG.

personally i'd rather have this guy positively affecting 60 games a year in a relief role while putting up dominant #'s like this than to have him putting up non-spectacular #'s as a starter for our team... i've heard all the arguments in support of molding Joba into a starting pitcher & yeah i know he came up as a starter in the minors... but there's no arguing the fact that Joba's been a much, much more effective reliever than he's been a starting pitcher.

Thank you good sir.

team has won 103 games w/o joba in the pen. until they start losing games in the postseason b/c of joba starting, why not give him every chance to develop there? he may never be a 1 or 2 level starter but even if he's a 3 or 4 level guy, i would rather he start than relieve right now. and why is there no "hughes to the pen" talk? why is it always about joba?

joba in the pen in the alds and in the alcs if we get there - that i agree with. but for next season...he's in the starting rotation.

I don't see why that's must when u already have CC, AJ & Andy Pettitte likely coming back for another season in '10 along w/Hughes, Kennedy & possibly even that Cuban lefty fireballer kid Chapman being likely candidates to join the rotation next season... you also have guys like Gaudin & maybe Aceves who might make a play for a role as a #5 starter at some point next year also... IMO it's not written in stone that Joba's gonna stay in the rotation next year if he keeps pitching the way he has as a starter... he's gonna have to come out balls a blazing in ST as a starting pitcher to convince me that's the role best suited for him to begin next season.

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

Its a small major league sample size, and ace starters have come out of far worse numbers. Its easier to pitch in one inning spurs. Also his minor league dominance portends he will eventually have success in the majors. But for now, we need him in the bullpen for the first round.

On another note, A-Rod needs 2 hrs and 7 RBI to get 30/100 for a record 13th time, and he does it ONE INNING. How amazing is that guy....

arod is awesome...always been a fan of his.

The only Yankees jersey I ever bought was ARod's, but that had more to do with the fact that there were a lot of Sox fans at my college and I wanted to rub it in that he got traded to my team.

Turns out the surgery was the best thing that could happen... the guy is so great he puts such high expectations on himself. He's basically admitted that because of the injury this is the first season as a Yank he had no expectations, meaning there's no internal pressure. I think he finally has a big postseason this year because he's not expecting to hit .400 with an RBI each game

The difference with A-Rod is this year is that his teammates actually like him. He's a more likable guy now and less of a prima donna than before. Whether that had to do with his injury or not, I don't know, but his change in attitude was a big thing to help build chemistry with this team. You can't have your best player basically be insulted and laughed at behind his back by his teammates and disliked among his peers. He had to change his ways and he did. Let's hope that means anything for October.

1 of the best things i saw all year that showed me that ARod is finally accepted in the clubhouse & just 1 of the guys is when he grabbed Jeter by his jersey & dragged him back to the bench & told everyone else to sit down & give Ramiro Pena the cold shoulder after he hit his 1st career HR at the Stadium a few days ago... a few years ago i think ARod defers to Jeter there, but seems like he's just so much more comfortable wearing the Yankee pinstripes & i really am pulling for him to come through this season in the playoffs... he deserves some genuine love from the NY fans & that capping Yankee moment after all the crap he's had to deal with since he got to NY.

Molina slated to catch AJ in game 2... i like the move... AJ & Jorge just don't click at all & AJ's #'s are so much better when he's got Molina behind the plate calling pitches.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/note....

Joba on the postseason roster instead of Bruney

Posted by VDesai:

Joba on the postseason roster instead of Bruney

Wow. Even though Bruney really didn't pitch well for most of the season, that must've been a really tough decision for Joe to make. Bruney appeared to find it a little towards the end there..

Hey where'd you read this V-Man?

[Edited by - finestrg on 10-07-2009 09:21 AM]

I don't think final roster decisions have even been made yet. I can't find anything on the net. Haven't read the paper yet though.

also, cant they change their roster with each series? so, if joba implodes, you may see bruney if/when the yanks advance.

Its in all the papers:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseba...

bruney can't throw strikes. he doesn't deserve to be in the postseason roster. you can't put a guy out there you don't trust and girardi doesn't trust him...

plus what if one of our starters gets hurt or gets lit up early in the game, i'd rather have joba available to come in a give us innings. with robertson + hughes, don't need bruney...especially since those two and mo can go 1+ innings for the first 3 games if we need them to.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-07-2009 10:05 AM]