i think Game 6 is gonna come down to the bullpens once again... Andy should be able to match Pedro for at least 5 innings, then it will come down to who can get the clutch hits in the late innings... as long as we figure out a way to pitch to that damn Chase Utley i think we'll be fine... for what it's worth Andy completely shut down the lefty hitters in the Phillies lineup in game 3 (Utley, Howard & Ibanez went 0 for 12 w/7 K's)... & if the Phillies should somehow win game 6, then we got our ace CC going in game 7 vs. Cole Hamels who's been horrible all postseason... we're still looking good bros... no one said this series was gonna be a cakewalk... no better way to christen the new Yankee Stadium than with a World Series championship celebration, no?
TMS wrote:i think Game 6 is gonna come down to the bullpens once again... Andy should be able to match Pedro for at least 5 innings, then it will come down to who can get the clutch hits in the late innings... as long as we figure out a way to pitch to that damn Chase Utley i think we'll be fine... for what it's worth Andy completely shut down the lefty hitters in the Phillies lineup in game 3 (Utley, Howard & Ibanez went 0 for 12 w/7 K's)... & if the Phillies should somehow win game 6, then we got our ace CC going in game 7 vs. Cole Hamels who's been horrible all postseason... we're still looking good bros... no one said this series was gonna be a cakewalk... no better way to christen the new Yankee Stadium than with a World Series championship celebration, no?
Absolutely. Real quick on Utley - I just wanna see them attack this guy much differently now. Learn from your mistakes..You can't throw this guy fastballs right down the middle. Outside of one slider that caught too much of the plate from CC, ever other HR this guy's hit off us has been off a fastball right down Broadway. That can't happen. They're putting it on a tee for this guy right now for Christ's sake...I wanna see them expand the plate on this guy - maybe go off-speed for strike 1 to get ahead and then expand -- fastballs inside, elevate the heat, and then breaking stuff off the plate to try to get him to chase... This guy's a great hitter but we're just not pitching him well at all right now. We've got a lefty going on Weds. and then again on Thurs. worst case. Plus a new weapon in the bullpen with Marte. And we all know what Mo can do to lefties. Even Hughes can counteract a lefty with that cutter of his if he ever gets his act together..Keeping Utley in check is the key the rest of the way right now. I want adjustments made and I want this guy neutralized..
Back home. No more of that pitchers hitting crap. Gardner will step up with Melky out and Matsui will be big as the DH. Bring it home boys!
there's still a good chance they might fall hard
TMS wrote:we got Andy big game and CC going up vs. whos my daddy and Cole i cant get anybody out Hamels. i like our chances
you like the yankee chances on short rest? should've started gaudin last night. then you have a rested AJ and Andy for the rest of the series.
kam77 wrote:TMS wrote:we got Andy big game and CC going up vs. whos my daddy and Cole i cant get anybody out Hamels. i like our chances
you like the yankee chances on short rest? should've started gaudin last night. then you have a rested AJ and Andy for the rest of the series.
aj is a headcase...there's no predicting what he would've given us on full rest or not. just glad it happened in game 5 and not game 6.
djsunyc wrote:kam77 wrote:TMS wrote:we got Andy big game and CC going up vs. whos my daddy and Cole i cant get anybody out Hamels. i like our chances
you like the yankee chances on short rest? should've started gaudin last night. then you have a rested AJ and Andy for the rest of the series.
aj is a headcase...there's no predicting what he would've given us on full rest or not. just glad it happened in game 5 and not game 6.
I betcha he would've been better in game 6. This guy's just a better pitcher at home against a top club. We've seen it all year (the big extra inning duel between he and Beckett at the Stadium compared to what he did at Fenway this year), and now in the playoffs - against the Twins, Angels and the Phillies he's been great at home. Tell you what, he didn't throw a lot of pitches before they yanked him last night. Don't be surprised if he makes an appearance against a righty or two in a big spot tomorrow night. If I were AJ, I tell Joe I'm ready to help out for a batter or two if needed.
djsunyc wrote:kam77 wrote:TMS wrote:we got Andy big game and CC going up vs. whos my daddy and Cole i cant get anybody out Hamels. i like our chances
you like the yankee chances on short rest? should've started gaudin last night. then you have a rested AJ and Andy for the rest of the series.
aj is a headcase...there's no predicting what he would've given us on full rest or not. just glad it happened in game 5 and not game 6.
And what about Andy and CC having to pitch short as well?
yanks have no alternatives. there was no way you can pitch gaudin, especially after not pitching a start in over a month. and cc was pitching games 1/4/7 despite anything.
why was there no way to pitch guadin? pitch him, take the beating, move onto game6 with fully rested AJ. And fully rested Andy on game 7.
kam77 wrote:why was there no way to pitch guadin? pitch him, take the beating, move onto game6 with fully rested AJ. And fully rested Andy on game 7.
putting guadin out there is throwing in the towel for that game.
djsunyc wrote:kam77 wrote:why was there no way to pitch guadin? pitch him, take the beating, move onto game6 with fully rested AJ. And fully rested Andy on game 7.
putting guadin out there is throwing in the towel for that game.
Thats the thing... its not about Game5. If it were all about Game5, there were worse things than sending Gaudin...
Sending AJ on short rest (on the road) is practically throwing the towel in.
Facing Cliff Lee... 2 earned runs all postseason... practically throw the towel in before the game.
Say AJ was great last nite, Lee would've like'y been better. Why waste a pitching GEM against a moster pitcher like Lee?
for $82.5 million, you would think aj would have been fine w 3 days rest. thats what we bought him for. to pitch for us in the postseason. thing is, we almost won the game despite aj blowing up. hindsight being 20/20, gaudin would have probably had similar results as aj did, but girardi would have been chastised for starting him over someone we just gave that much dough to. at the end of the day, yo go with who your best are and deal w the consequences.
exactly, u play to win every game in the WS... u don't concede a game by throwing out some journeyman 5th starter/middle reliever that hasn't thrown in a month as your starting pitcher... if u go down, u gotta go down w/ur best... AJ's #'s on 3 days rest were perfect & that was the right play to make... u can second guess that move if u like but it doesn't change the fact that Gaudin is even more likely to lose game 5 than AJ on 3 days' rest... game 6 u still have Andy who usually comes up big in big games who should be able to give us at least 5 good innings, then u can throw in Aceves & Robertson for an inning until u get to the meat of our bullpen to finish out the game - a well rested Joba, Marte & Mariano should be good enough to close out the last 3 innings+... & don't ignore the fact that the Phillies' bullpen has been very shaky & Pedro will likely be out of the game by the 5th or 6th also... plus they have no closer... last night Lidge wasn't even trusted to close out a game at home with a 3 run lead... that's very telling.
if this series goes to a game 7 i bet AJB could fill in a couple innings too for that matter, & we all know CC's been pitching effectively on 3 days rest this postseason & would have gotten the ball regardless of who started game 5... in a game 7 it's all hands on deck anyway.
our pitching situation looks good if u ask me... & we get Matsui & Jorge back into the lineup tomorrow for a full game, which should help w/the offense... i'm more worried about that same crappy ass corporate YS crowd being at the game again than anything else, we really need to make noise tomorrow & support our team... the Phillies' fans were so much better at that this series than we were it was ridiculous.
too many people are looking at it from the yankees POV. but the phillies have to throw pedro + hamels + their bullpen. people panicking thinking this is 2004.
guadin didn't pitch in a month. we had no 4th starter. don't disagree with the call. like i said, #'s go out the window in the playoffs. you go with your best and hope it works out. if it does, you look like a genius, if it doesn't, you look like an idiot. there are no "gimme" games in the playoffs. with aj, there was a shot he could give you 6 strong innings. with gaudin, you're packing your bags headed to the bronx before the game even started.
if andy or cc don't get it done and our lineup falters vs. pedro + hamels, then we deserve to lose. this isn't on girardi at this point. it's on the players to perform.
If we lost Game 5 with Gaudin we would've been no worse off today, up 3-2 with AJ and Andy fully rested.
Now we're up 3-2 with nobody fully rested.
The Guadin route would've put us in a better place. You can't argue that we are better off today.
Nobody was going to beat Lee last night.
kam77 wrote:If we lost Game 5 with Gaudin we would've been no worse off today, up 3-2 with AJ and Andy fully rested.Now we're up 3-2 with nobody fully rested.
The Guadin route would've put us in a better place. You can't argue that we are better off today.
Nobody was going to beat Lee last night.
the point is not talking about it after the fact. we're talking about a decision made before the game. the results don't decide whether the decision was the right one or not at the time. lee was beatable last night, aj just dropped the ball. and every post season start he had (home and away), he got into the 6th inning. last night, he just psyched himself out. now imagine we lost game 5 and he had 2 days to think about pitching game 6 - are you sure the result would've been any different?
kam77 wrote:If we lost Game 5 with Gaudin we would've been no worse off today, up 3-2 with AJ and Andy fully rested.Now we're up 3-2 with nobody fully rested.
The Guadin route would've put us in a better place. You can't argue that we are better off today.
Nobody was going to beat Lee last night.
Lee gave up 5 runs, ur telling me if AJ had control of his pitches we wouldn't have had a better shot at beating him than w/Gaudin on the mound?
kam77 wrote:why was there no way to pitch guadin? pitch him, take the beating, move onto game6 with fully rested AJ. And fully rested Andy on game 7.
Game 5: Gaudin without pitching for a month or AJ on three days rest. I know this turned out bad but objectively the odds would be much more in your favor for this game going with AJ.
Game 6: AJ on regular rest or Andy on three days rest. AJ on regular rest would be better. You're right. BUT...
Game 7: Andy on regular rest or CC on three days rest. I'd rather have CC in there.
I believe your approach gives us worse odds in two of the final three games of the series.
you're playing to win the world series. this stuff about just throwing gaudin out there and conceding the loss is really comical. PLUS, AJ's #'s going in on 3-days rest were great. if gaudin gets murdered then everybody's screaming "well they should've gone with AJ on 3 days rest." i'm happy with girardi's moves, no way you throw gaudin i mean its comical. the guy pitched 2 innings in october, now its november and you're going to trot him out there. he was 6-10 this year!!! you play to win the championship, you're one win away. like bonn said, i'd rather have CC on 3 days rest than pettitte and full rest pitch game 7 anyway.
jimimou, this comment is just silly. "for $82.5 million, you would think aj would have been fine w 3 days rest. thats what we bought him for. to pitch for us in the postseason." yeah, and he's done that. he pitched an absolute gem in game 2 to keep us in the series, did what he was asked to do and got hit hard by a great phillies lineup. utley has the most postseason homers of all-time, they are nasty pretty much top to bottom, how many MVPs do they have, and ppl act as if b/c burnett signed a big deal he has to have 7 IP, 15 K, 0 ER everytime he goes out.
We made the right call on the pitchers. Aj just can't pitch on the road.
