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Wow - can you imagine Halladay as our number 2? Would he unseat CC as our number 1 pitcher?
i would offer up Hughes & either Montero or Jackson for him & if they want more i tell them thanks but no thanks.
nyk4ever wrote:those are some sick picks TMS.
So signing all the big name FAs last off-season did work out well after all!
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Yankees could trade for Tigers' Granderson2:19 PM, November 11, 2009 ι By
CHICAGO -- In a cost-cutting frame of mind, the Tigers have let teams now that Curtis Granderson could be had for the right package, an NL executive told The Post.
Granderson would be attractive to many teams, with the Yankees near the top of the list. They have long searched for a premium solution in center since Bernie Williams left his prime, but now they also face the loss of the lefty power of free agents Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui. Granderson hit a career-high 30 homers last year.
Brian Cashman met with Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski at the now-concluded GM Meetings, but it is not believed the two did any more than discuss needs and available players. However, the two have a good relationship and have done significant trades before, going back to when Dombrowski was in Florida and obtained Mike Lowell from the Yanks to the more recent Gary Sheffield deal and the swap of Kyle Farnsworth for Ivan Rodriguez.
The Yankees have a touted center field prospect in Austin Jackson, who could be the centerpiece for a deal, though Detroit would have a market outside of just The Bronx.
Granderson, who will play at 29 next year, is owed $25.75 million over the next three years and has an option in 2013. He is not a player that Detroit truly wants to trade and neither is the available Edwin Jackson, another player who will draw interest not just from the Yankees, but the Mets, too.
But the Tigers are supporting a top payroll in one of the cities hit hardest by the economic downturn, and they have many long-term commitments to players who are just about untradeable, including Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Jeremy Bonderman, Dontrelle Willis and Nate Robertson. In all, the Tigers have 10 players under control for next season at $100 million with arbitration-eligible ace Justin Verlander due a raise to about $7 million, and Jackson and Gerald Laird also in line for big raises.
Granderson does have a downside. He is terrible against lefties (.183 last year) and strikes out a ton (141 times last year) and though he steals bases (20 last year) he is not known as a strong instinctual base stealer. However, his power has blossomed in a park not nearly as becoming to a lefty hitter as Yankee Stadium and he is known as one of the most media friendly and amicable players in the game.
If negotiations for Damon do indeed grow beyond the Yankees’ parameters -- and the Yankees want to keep him at one year and Damon could be looking for as much as four -- Granderson could fill many similar qualities such as lefty power and speed while playing a more premium position. The Yankees have to be careful not to lose a vital asset in their home park, lefty power, and Damon and Matsui combined for 52 homers last year.
The only AL lefty hitters with more homers last year than Granderson’s 30 were Carlos Pena (39), Adam Lind (35) and Russell Branyan (31).
nyk4ever wrote:those are some sick picks TMS.
thanks bro... was my 1st ever Yankees parade, didn't get to go to the others because of work... i hear this one was the best since the '96 parade in terms of energy & enthusiasm... it was definitely an awesome experience.
TMS wrote:nyk4ever wrote:those are some sick picks TMS.thanks bro... was my 1st ever Yankees parade, didn't get to go to the others because of work... i hear this one was the best since the '96 parade in terms of energy & enthusiasm... it was definitely an awesome experience.
just gotta rub it in huh?
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i'd also look into signing some veteran arm like Derrek Lowe or Jon Garland to be our #4 starter next season & let Joba & Hughes fight it out for the #5 slot in ST, with the loser going back into the bullpen setup man role for good... no more flip flopping on these kids, it's destroying their confidence... just figure out their role & leave them there & let them get comfortable in that role! otherwise trade 1 of them in a package for an established ace like Halladay.
VDesai wrote:Teix really deserves his...I don't think I've ever seen one make as many hit/run saving plays at first base. His range/reflexes were astounding
Derek Jeter can thank Teix for this year's gold glove cuz there's no way he wins one w/o Teix saving all those errant throws at 1B from him this year.
btw, Jeter & Teix pick up Silver Slugger awards this year too
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Pushing for a minimum payroll threshold
Why not just put a tax on teams that pocket the money they get from revenue sharing?
By Jayson Stark
The Yankees just won another World Series (as you might have heard someplace) -- and we all know what that means:
The crying game is on.
It isn't fair. … We need a salary cap. … The system's broken. Sound familiar? Well, the system may be broken, all right. But don't just look at the top. Anybody checked out the bottom teams lately?
MLB's 40-man roster payrolls
Team Payroll
Yankees $215,080,715
Mets $141,302,331
Cubs $141,007,248
Tigers $138,477,723
Red Sox $137,199,512
Phillies $136,107,962
Dodgers $127,592,034
Angels $120,423,691
Astros $106,424,382
White Sox $104,751,673
Mariners $101,182,454
Cardinals $100,892,097
Braves $99,567,968
Giants $94,086,588
Brewers $87,772,297
Blue Jays $83,838,967
Rockies $83,492,729
Royals $80,588,529
Orioles $78,470,973
Rangers $76,524,452
Indians $75,512,530
Diamondbacks $73,495,966
Reds $72,146,812
Twins $71,903,577
Rays $70,682,817
Nationals $68,430,665
A's $60,954,872
Pirates $47,482,564
Padres $41,306,652
Marlins $36,803,494
Source: Major League Baseball. Includes salaries, bonuses paid, escalator clauses and buyouts for 40-man roster payrolls through Aug. 31.
If you live in Pittsburgh or South Florida, you've probably gotten so used to blaming The System for all your team's problems, there's an excellent chance you never noticed something every fan of these two "small-market" operations should know:
Your team collected more money this season -- before it ever sold one ticket -- than it spent on its entire major league payroll. In fact, it collected more than it spent on its major league payroll and its player-development system combined.
But it isn't just the Pirates and Marlins who are cashing checks larger than their payrolls before the ticket offices open. By some estimates, a third of the teams in the sport are doing exactly the same thing.
So how big an issue is that for baseball? We've spent the week exploring that topic with people who work in virtually every aspect of baseball management. We'll let you judge for yourself.
Nobody wants you to know, of course, exactly how many dollars each team takes in from a humongous pot that includes revenue sharing, TV-radio money, merchandising, sponsorships, etc. And, depending on which side of the sport you reside on, estimates of those amounts vary. But after numerous conversations, we now have a pretty fair idea. So here goes.
Our first conclusion: Scott Boras flunked math class.
Before we get into documenting all of this, we need to start with the man who lit the match on this issue.
Just a few days ago, everybody's favorite agent threw baseball's pooh-bahs into a serious froth. All it took was Boras telling the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo that some teams are collecting $80 million to $90 million from Major League Baseball just in revenue sharing and central-fund welfare -- and essentially stuffing much of it in their mattresses. Well, not quite.
Not that there weren't some shreds of truth in there someplace. But we've run those figures past all sorts of people who ought to know. None of them thinks that particular number adds up. However …
Boras would have been a lot closer to the actual facts if he'd just included teams' local TV and radio payouts, which are heftier than you might think. So we did that. And that led us to …
Our second conclusion: If you add in that local TV-radio money -- and if you add only that money -- you'd be astounded by how many clubs seem to be running up higher revenues than payrolls before they print a ticket. We've added up all the revenue streams. And here's what we found:
If we just use the raw numbers, it appears that at least 10 teams collected $90 million-plus this year before they opened their ticket windows, let one car into their parking lots or sold one slice of pizza.
That number, once again, was $90 million-plus. By at least 10 teams.
But not everyone in baseball thinks that's a valid figure. Some argue that $10 million of that $90 million-plus shouldn't count -- because each team is required to pay $5 million into a pension fund and another $5 million into an MLB operations fund.
OK, so fine. Make it $80 million-plus.
Whichever it is, we're convinced our estimate is on target. Do the math yourself.
• Central fund (includes national TV, radio, Internet, licensing, merchandising, marketing, MLB International money): Each team, from the Marlins to the Yankees, gets the same central-fund payout. And that check comes to slightly over $30 million per team if you deduct the $10 million in pension and operations fees, or just over $40 million if you don't.
• Revenue sharing: Only income-challenged teams get a revenue-sharing check. But you should never forget that those checks are a lot larger than your average rebate check from Target. This sport shared $400 million in revenue this year -- more than the gross national product of Western Samoa. Now every club's payout is different. But the five neediest teams -- which we believe to be the Marlins, Pirates, Rays, Blue Jays and Royals -- averaged somewhere in the vicinity of $35 million in revenue-sharing handouts per team. And that still left over $200 million -- more than $20 million a club -- for the rest of the "payees" to divvy up.
• Local TV/radio/cable: Good luck getting these exact figures. But we know that 29 of the 30 teams make at least $15 million a year in local broadcast money, and no team rakes in under $12 million. Obviously, some clubs collect much, much more than that. Or own their networks. Or both.
So everybody have your calculators out?
Add $30 million, plus $35 million, plus $15 million, and what do you get? That would be $80 million. At least. Before these teams spin their turnstiles once.
OK, now let's head back to the payroll list. We count a minimum of a dozen teams, depending on how you define "total payroll," that aren't spending that same number -- $80 million -- on their major league payroll. So it isn't just Scott Boras who has the right to ask: What's up with that?
Our third conclusion: It's getting ugly out there.
We raise this issue at a time when the relationship between owners and players seems to be growing more contentious than it has been in years.
Even if you ignore the regularly scheduled Boras conspiracy theories, most agents make no secret of the fact that they believe baseball is exaggerating its financial throes in a $6 billion industry.
They see the payroll figures we see. They see a dozen teams that have wiped at least $30 million in salaries off their books (in departing free agents) this winter. So while they recognize that certain teams -- like the Tigers -- have had a rough year, agents everywhere are clearly skeptical that those cries of poverty they're hearing from almost every club are legit.
But when people like us try to separate reality from illusion with actual numbers, what we hear from the powers that be at MLB is that even those numbers are misleading.
Are there teams that collect more money before they sell a ticket than they spend on their major league payroll? MLB's chief labor negotiator, Rob Manfred, doesn't dispute that. What he vociferously disputes is the meaning of those figures.
"When you evaluate a baseball team," Manfred said, "you need to understand that these teams have expenses in addition to the 25-man roster on the field. They have multimillion-dollar benefit costs. They have the cost of paying 15 players on the [40-man] major league roster who are not in the big leagues.
"They have the cost of their player-development system, which averages $15 million [per team] a year. They have the cost of acquiring [amateur] players through the [June] draft and internationally, which averages $9 million [per team] a year. So for anybody to take a club's revenues and say that 60 percent should go to major league payroll, that's just a fundamental misunderstanding of this business."
But the other side asks: Don't teams also have streams of income we haven't discussed here? Parking? Nine-dollar beverages? Sponsorships? In-park souvenir sales? Etc., etc.?
The fingers point. The pulse rates escalate. The Collusion Watch has started over at union headquarters. There's a new labor deal to negotiate in two years. And there are more than 100 free agents looking for work. These are not fun times.
So what do we do about it all? Well, we can't solve all of this. But we do have an idea that has gotten great reviews wherever we've floated it. So …
Our final conclusion: Don't just tax the Yankees.
Let's get back to where this column began. If this sport has problems, they don't begin and end with the Yankees.
At least the Yankees take the revenue they generate and plow it back into their franchise. At least the Yankees finance more than just their own little $215 million baseball team. They also pay $150 million a year (in luxury taxes and revenue sharing) to help finance everybody else's baseball teams, according to The Wall Street Journal.
Those are the rules. That's the system. And that system gives the Yankees a choice -- to roar beyond the payroll threshold and pay an extra 40 percent in luxury taxes for doing it. But if they do, they understand both the upside and the downside of that choice.
So our idea is: Why not extend the same choice to the teams that opt not to spend what other teams spend?
If the Marlins, Pirates or Padres think it's unnecessary to spend $70 million or $80 million -- or even $50 million -- on their big league payroll, hey, no problem.
Just tax them for it. That's all.
A few years back, during a previous labor negotiation, MLB proposed a minimum payroll, which we believe this sport needs. It was the union that rejected it, for philosophical reasons. We think that was a mistake, but nobody asked us.
So why not impose the same sort of tax on teams with payrolls below some minimum threshold, exactly the way baseball taxes teams like the Yankees that spend over the maximum threshold? That's the official proposal of Rumblings and Grumblings.
How would it work? Well, we hear teams argue constantly that sometimes, the only way to get better is to blow up their roster and start over. So we'd allow for that.
First time a team goes under the threshold -- and we'll let the owners and the union figure out whether that "minimum" should be $60 million or $80 million or something in between -- we'd impose no tax. None.
But if a team stayed below that "minimum" for a second year in a row, we'd tax it at 20 percent for every dollar below the threshold. The third straight year, that tax rate would grow to 30 percent. And for every year afterward, it would be 40 percent.
Would we solve all this sport's problems with that tax? Heck, no. There still wouldn't be enough pitching, for one thing. And owners and agents would still find whole new reasons to be suspicious of each other.
But it's one small step toward fixing a broken system. And who knows? Maybe it might even inspire everyone else to take one giant leap toward repairing the rest of it.
Boras has base line for a Damon deal
November 22 Foxsports.com"The Angels awarded right fielder Bobby Abreu a two-year, $19 million contract before he even became a free agent.
Rest assured that Scott Boras, the agent for left fielder Johnny Damon, will argue that on the open market, his client deserves more.
Such a position could — repeat, could — be bad news for the Yankees if they wish to re-sign Damon to a one- or even two-year contract.
Both Damon and Abreu will be 36 on Opening Day. It seems doubtful that Boras could score three years or more for Damon. But all the agent must do is persuade one team.
While Damon benefited from playing at the new Yankee Stadium last season, he posted a career-high in OPS-plus, a statistic that is adjusted to a player's league and park.
Damon had more home runs than Abreu, 24 to 15. Abreu had more stolen bases, 30 to 12. Neither is a strong defender, but Damon moves better overall.
Boras has been talking up Damon's value as a No. 2 hitter behind Derek Jeter. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman does not dispute Boras' points.
The question, as always, will be price, and Abreu establishes a baseline for Damon.
Two years, $19 million."
i think 2 yrs @ $19 mil sounds about right for Damon... he's worth it.
November 24, 2009 7:54 AM | 9 Comments
By Mark Gonzales
A New York Yankees official downplayed the suggestion that the team had a serious interest in White Sox free-agent slugger Jermaine Dye, according to Tuesday's editions of the New York Post.
Meanwhile, general manager Brian Cashman told the Post that the Yankees won't spend as much money as they did last season in landing free agents CC Sabathia, Andy Pettitte and Mark Teixeira.
Cashman added that he hadn't talked to free agents or even received firm budget numbers for 2010.
The Yankees, however, will need to address their outfield and designated hitter positions with Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui already filed for free agency and prospect Austin Jackson a candidate for a major league promotion.
Although Dye has stated he doesn't want to perform full-time DH duties, he would be willing to play in the Northeast. And if Cashman needs a firm scouting report on Dye, he merely has to call one of his better friends in the business - Sox GM Ken Williams.
Atlanta and San Francisco are among the teams looking for outfield help, and Dye could be a fit there.