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Curtis Granderson
Javier Vazquez
Nick Johnson
Randy Winn
Jamie Hoffmann
2010 notable losses:
Johnny Damon
Hideki Matsui
Chien Ming Wang
Melky Cabrera
Phil Coke
Jose Molina
Brian Bruney
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Eric Hinske
Xavier Nady
Austin Jackson
EDIT: Shelley Duncan
(let me know if i've missed anyone)
considering that Ramiro Pena is stepping into Hairston's role off the bench & Francisco Cervelli's taking over for Molina as our backup C, do u guys think the current Yankees are better than last year's championship squad?
personally i think we lost some depth on the bench & not convinced that Gardner/Winn is as good as Melky/Gardner & not sure NJ will be an upgrade over Matsui or Granderson will be an upgrade over Damon overall... i think we added some depth in the starting rotation but Javy would not have been my choice to fill that role & would have rather kept Melky & just signed a FA to be our 4th starter.
(btw, this is not a knock on Brian Cashman, i still think he's easily the best GM in baseball... it's not an easy job that he does, sometimes u gotta make some tough choices... just analyzing the current roster & comparing to last year's)
I'm not hung up on losing Melky....I'm not convinced he has a high ceiling as his numbers basically plateaued over the last 3 year period. He came up with some nice big hits for us, but he is at best an average player and I think Gardner had stayed healthy he was well on his way to having a pretty good season. Really he only slipped up after his injury and couldn't get back into the groove. I think he will be a good fit defensively and will get on base enough to make his impact felt. He adds a different dimension to our lineup.
I think Granderson was a good move, but he's got to improve his approach at the plate and get back some discipline, otherwise he could flame out here. He is not quite the professional hitter that Damon or Matsui was. Damon and Matsui were guys that could see a lot of pitches in a big spot in the game and really wear down a pitcher so much so that they'd come up with a clutch hit or at least set up the next guy in the order. I think we're really gonna miss that quality. Nick Johnson hopefully will stay healthy and add that dimension to the lineup.
I would've liked to have gotten more bullpen help, though the strategy of improving from within may be the best way of getting as it proved last year. We may miss Coke more than we anticipate. He was inconsistent but also had some periods of dominance and was relied upon heavily during the regular season. Marte had an awesome playoffs, but he seems to be capable of imploding at any time.
I think we had a pretty decent offseason, but I would not have let both Damon and Matsui walk. I think our lineup is marginally worse than last years, but if you get the production ARod/Tex are capable of you're gonna have plenty of offense no matter what. And I think the pitching has a chance to be a lot better than last years. We are much deeper and more solid in the rotation and beyond.
the starting rotation looks good as long as CC & Andy are steady again this year... who knows what to expect out of AJB, but hopefully he's more consistent this year than he was last year with 1 year under his belt... Javy worries me not in the regular season, but in the postseason... as a #4 starter he's fine, but come playoff time when every game is huge, i'm gonna be biting my nails bigtime if i see him get into a game... i think either Joba or Hughes will do fine as a #5 starter... the rotation looks solid as long as everyone stays healthy.
Mo is inhuman so i expect him to be his usual awesome self, & i'm confident w/either Hughes or Joba as the setup bridge, tho i do think we lost some depth in the bullpen like u just mentioned w/Coke & Bruney gone... i'm not crazy about Melancon at all, but Robertson's role should be expanded next season he really impressed me at the end of last season & in the playoffs... Marte is solid as a lefty setup man but i would like to get another lefty in the pen to add more depth, maybe someone like Ron Villone on a minimum salary type gig... Aceves or Gaudin are good as long relief guys, i dunno what to expect out of Mitre at all, nor do i really care.
i think we're very thin on our bench with either Winn or Gardner, Cervelli, Pena & possibly Hoffmann... not a whole lotta experience there at all other than Winn & he's just a defensive replacement & pinch runner at best... we should look to pick up a cheap bat for the bench at some point, preferably a more experienced veteran like a Garrett Anderson, Adam Kennedy, Mike Sweeney or Frank Catalanotto type, because we're bound to need someone to pinch hit for either Gardner or Winn in late game situations next season & we no longer have Shelley Duncan in our system anymore (i should have included him on the "lost" list above btw)... hell, i wouldn't mind taking a flyer on someone like Nomar Garciaparra on a 1 year low money deal either for that matter... a bat on the bench is the only thing we're missing & i don't have any faith in Juan Miranda to fill that role to be honest... Ryan Garko & Johnny Gomes were non-tendered, they may be possible fill ins for Eric Hinske's old role too for that matter.
Damon says he may not be done with YankeesPOST STAFF REPORT
Last Updated: 4:46 PM, January 29, 2010
Not so fast. Johnny Damon says he could be playing for the Yankees again, if not this season then maybe next year.
"I'm not ruling out not being in New York, whether it's not this year, or whenever it is, whether I start the season with them, or whether they trade for me at the deadline, or if they sign me next year, or what not. I love New York," Damon said this afternoon on WFAN.
It was thought the outfielder and the Yankees had parted for good when the team signed outfielder Randy Winn this week. After a he said-he said exchange between GM Brian Cashman and agent Scott Boras, Damon confirmed today that he turned down a two-year, $14 million offer from the team.
Still without a team for 2010, Damon said he'd be willing to listen if the Yankees come calling again.
"We're always open to New York," Damon told host Mike Francesa. "But I think right now we also have to be open to whatever offer comes out now. Because I know (the Yankees) have a full roster right now, (but) I never say never anymore."
Cashman maintained the team had $2 million left to spend after adding Nick Johnson and Winn.
"The thing is, I think both sides understand the situation," Damon said. "We understand how free agency is; they're trying to get younger -- they got a year younger with Randy Winn (36-35) -- that's part of the game."
The Yankees also traded for Curtis Granderson this offseason, and have not ruled out that they would pursue Damon anymore.
"You never know,'' Cashman told SI.com. "The Yankees like players who can help us win.''
Damon said multiple times he harbors no bitterness or hard feelings toward the Yankees, but he was not willing to take such a significant pay cut from the $13 million he was making annually. He said he was seeking two years at $11 million per year.
"I was on the phone with them quite a bit," Damon said. "We talked, (but) right now with their budget, it just doesn't .. it wasn't going to happen."
He said baseball's luxury tax may have played a role in the offer, with the Yankees forced to pay extra with more money they gave Damon.
"I definitely thought there would be more talks monetarily-wise with the Yankees," Damon said. "I mean, everybody knew it was a great fit; and so did Cashman; so did the Steinbrenners. That's why this budget and the (luxury tax) will probably be discussed at the next (collective) bargaining session."
Damon, who claims several teams are interested in him, said he was hopeful the Yankees don't encounter the same problems with free-agent-to-be Derek Jeter next year.
"I hope (Derek) is not offered a 45 percent pay cut," Damon said.
seems to me like both sides are willing to keep the door at least slightly open for a Damon return to the Bronx... Sherman's last article says that the Yanks floated a 1 year $6M offer to Damon with $3M deferred with no interest right before they signed Winn, but Damon never responded... because of the damn luxury tax the Yankees are tightening their purse strings this offseason because they know they'll be adding another big salary next season in Crawford... i wonder if they were willing to include some incentive clauses for Damon to bring a 1 year total value to a possible $10M with $5M of it deferred with no interest, if Damon would bite? i doubt he'd get anywhere close to that level money in this market, & if he meets the incentives then it's a win win for both parties.
Joba ready to compete for rotation spot
Righty says his mind is only on starting as he readies for camp
02/03/10 7:00 AM EST
NEW YORK -- Joba Chamberlain will pack his bags for Spring Training intent upon making the Yankees' decisions a little bit easier. He's set to arrive next week, expecting to lock up the fifth spot in the rotation before the end of camp.
The Yankees have told Chamberlain to prepare to be a starter heading into this spring, and he will be stepping into an open competition with at least four other candidates to round out the staff.
It should make for compelling theater, and no matter which pitcher eventually comes out on top, Chamberlain believes it could make everyone involved just a little bit better.
"It's something that's going to be a battle," Chamberlain said. "The greatest part about it is it's not only going to make guys fight for that No. 5 spot, but it's going to make our team better. We're going to push each other and continue to try to outwork each other.
"That's the greatest part about this game; not only do you push one another to do better, but the team is going to be better for it. Whatever happens, happens. I hope they're ready because I worked my tail off to get where I'm at and I hope they do the same."
In addition to Chamberlain, the Yankees plan to consider Phil Hughes, Alfredo Aceves, Chad Gaudin and Sergio Mitre for their fifth rotation spot, supplementing a rotation that already has CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Andy Pettitte and Javier Vazquez written in for the first four spots.
Manager Joe Girardi declined to name an early favorite on Saturday, offering this even-handed assessment: "We'll put the best guy that we feel can fill that spot and give us the best chance to win."
Chamberlain, 24, was 9-6 with a 4.75 ERA in 31 starts plus one relief appearance during the 2009 regular season, allowing 167 hits and 83 earned runs in 157 1/3 innings. He walked 76 and struck out 133 before converting back into a reliever for the postseason.
One positive in Chamberlain's favor for 2010 is that finally, three years after splashing onto the scene as a carefully handled reliever, the Yankees have deemed him to be free of all the "Joba Rules" and innings limitations.
Those rules were an issue last year, as the Yankees tried juggling his starts and cutting short his outings with less than desirable results. But Chamberlain said that he has "peace of mind" knowing exactly what his assignment will be and that the training wheels will be completely removed.
"As a competitor, you definitely get frustrated at times," Chamberlain said. "At the end of the day, you also understand why they're doing it. I have the utmost respect for them for taking that time and going through the good and the bad with me.
"It's one of the things now where we did it, we're better for it, we all learned how to handle the situation. Now we can just go out, play the games, get the ball every fifth day and get 200-plus innings in."
There is still a large contingent of the baseball public that believes Chamberlain is best suited for the bullpen, where he could be a dominant setup man or even the eventual successor to closer Mariano Rivera. Chamberlain takes that praise as a compliment, but says his mind is set on starting until the Yankees tell him otherwise.
"It's a question that is always going to be asked, but it's one of those things when, as a competitor, you want to be out there every fifth day and get that opportunity to fight and claw for your teammates," Chamberlain said.
"That's what you're there for. I want that opportunity. I have to go out there and prove it, and I understand that. Nothing is handed to me and I like it that way, because that's the way it's been my whole life and my whole career. I'm going to go get the bull by the horns and get after it in Spring Training, and see what happens."
Not that he hasn't considered what it might be like to take over for Rivera, whom Chamberlain said -- half tongue-in-cheek -- might be able to pitch another 10 seasons.
"You always do, being down there for two stints with him, and to see how good he is," Chamberlain said. "There's going to have to be somebody that comes behind him and replaces the legacy that is Mariano. If that opportunity comes, great. If we sit down and they say that, then we'll get after it. But right now I think we're going to go with the starting thing."
Chamberlain said that he plans on arriving at the George M. Steinbrenner Field complex in Tampa on Feb. 9, a week in advance of the mandatory reporting date for pitchers and catchers.
But the clock has already started, coming back from a World Series run that brought the Yankees into the month of November. Chamberlain said he played catch with Sabathia on Monday in the lefty's New Jersey yard, and said that his arm is feeling the best it has in a long time.
"We were both talking about how great we feel," Chamberlain said. "I think that's the greatest advantage of playing so late in the year -- you don't really lose that much. You continue to play catch and work out.
"It was a little weird starting everything up in December, because last year we started in November, but everything feels great as far as playing catch and doing all of those things. It's gone better than expected."
Bryan Hoch is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
TMS wrote:do u guys think the current Yankees are better than last year's championship squad?
yes. I don't think the team will be as explosive, but I think the rotation is better, which will work the pen less. The lineup should be able to grind runs a bit more too and the outfield defense is better.
I don't think this team will have to rely on a Jeter/Damon/ARod/Teix/Matsui/Posada/Cano explosion to win it all. I think guys will work the count, get on base, and grind out some runs.
TMS wrote:(btw, this is not a knock on Brian Cashman, i still think he's easily the best GM in baseball...
haha, always good for a laugh.
TMS wrote:the troll has returned to dish out his annual stupidity
whenever I picture you at the keyboard throwing your hands up, you, good sir, are on top of your game
SupremeCommander wrote:TMS wrote:the troll has returned to dish out his annual stupiditywhenever I picture you at the keyboard throwing your hands up, you, good sir, are on top of your game
dunno where the cheap shots are coming from but i've always been cool with you... but hey, if u got a problem with me, that's cool... try not to think about me so much... i know it's hard.
TMS wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:TMS wrote:the troll has returned to dish out his annual stupiditywhenever I picture you at the keyboard throwing your hands up, you, good sir, are on top of your game
dunno where the cheap shots are coming from but i've always been cool with you... but hey, if u got a problem with me, that's cool... try not to think about me so much... i know it's hard.
nah man, it wasn't sarcastic... wasn't a cheap shot... was giving you kudos because I lol'ed at your comment
SupremeCommander wrote:TMS wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:TMS wrote:the troll has returned to dish out his annual stupiditywhenever I picture you at the keyboard throwing your hands up, you, good sir, are on top of your game
dunno where the cheap shots are coming from but i've always been cool with you... but hey, if u got a problem with me, that's cool... try not to think about me so much... i know it's hard.
nah man, it wasn't sarcastic... wasn't a cheap shot... was giving you kudos because I lol'ed at your comment
in that case you're back in my cool book.
TMS wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:TMS wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:TMS wrote:the troll has returned to dish out his annual stupiditywhenever I picture you at the keyboard throwing your hands up, you, good sir, are on top of your game
dunno where the cheap shots are coming from but i've always been cool with you... but hey, if u got a problem with me, that's cool... try not to think about me so much... i know it's hard.
nah man, it wasn't sarcastic... wasn't a cheap shot... was giving you kudos because I lol'ed at your comment
in that case you're back in my cool book.
it's all gravy
what I meant was, when you respond to a troll without dignifying or qualifying your comment with time, I quite enjoy it. I enjoy your quick-quipping, troll-quashing, one-lining zingers. In my book, that's a compliment, but I appologize for making it seem otherwise
jusnice wrote:Thames signs a minor league deal and "is expected to compete with Winn and Gardner for PT." Damon is officially gonzo and his career w/ the Yanks over unless they make a trade for him at some point. Really sad since they could have worked something out for the benefit of both the club and the player. Oh well, it is a business after all. Really looking forward to the spring and 2010 potentially being the last year that Mo, Jeter, and Posada are in pinstripes. That's crazy!!
i still think he woulda been a Yankee if Scott Boras weren't his agent... he's such a douchebag... Cashman is probably sick of dealing w/him after all the crap he tried to pull w/ARod w/the opt out stuff.
i like the Thames signing... we needed someone w/some righty pop & Thames brings that... if nothing else he'll make a nice bat off the bench even if he can't win the starting role in LF.
& there's no way Jeter & Mo are wearing anything but pinstripes in 2011... Jorge's still locked up for the 2011 season at $13.1 mil according to Cot's contracts... Andy's a potential FA after this season tho
VDesai wrote:Thames is better than Randy Winn IMO. Nice that we were able to get him for a minor league contract. He definitely has good power and a high homer rate. That could be a nice platoon with Gardner.
I agree and think that we now have a pretty flexible roster now and can adjust it for pitching, etc. Plus Thames brings a little speed. I'm done worrying about Johnny D. Looking forward to the season. LET'S GO YANKEES!!!!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/02/10/2010-02-10_joba_rules_written_off.html
Who wins the #5 spot - Joba or Phil?