TMS, i think you finally hit the nail on the head after months of Javy bashing by saying "we would have saved about $7M on Javy's salary for this season &... with that extra $7M we could have easily retained Matsui or Damon."
i made that point months ago, you just haven't been listening... it's one of the main reasons why i didn't want Javy here... also because he was clearly not a guy who could succeed in NY & i knew there were better cheaper options for us to consider.
phil hughes > mother theresa
anybody else rather have cervelli in there instead of jorge?
djsunyc wrote:anybody else rather have cervelli in there instead of jorge?
frankie's bat has been awesome this year and he's a much better catcher than jorge.. at this point, i'd rather just DH jorge and use frankie as the permanent backstop. i don't think they'll do jorge like that though.
I think as long as Johnson and Granderson are hurt (and the DH spot is open), you use Cervelli to catch Hughes, Burnett and Vazquez. Pettitte and Sabathia have the makeup to get by with Jorge at catcher. Cervelli reminds me a little bit of Girardi both as hitter and catcher. He's hitting way above his head right now, but he knows what he's doing at the plate. He could be a close to .300 hitter with his approach and ability to make contact. Just not much power.
The other consideration is that I think you want Thames in there to hit lefties, and generally you want him DH'ing.
VDesai wrote:I think as long as Johnson and Granderson are hurt (and the DH spot is open), you use Cervelli to catch Hughes, Burnett and Vazquez. Pettitte and Sabathia have the makeup to get by with Jorge at catcher. Cervelli reminds me a little bit of Girardi both as hitter and catcher. He's hitting way above his head right now, but he knows what he's doing at the plate. He could be a close to .300 hitter with his approach and ability to make contact. Just not much power.The other consideration is that I think you want Thames in there to hit lefties, and generally you want him DH'ing.
Agree with everything said. Good comparison with Cervy & Girardi btw..
Reading in today's Newsday that Roy Oswalt could be had in a deal, that Houston ownership might finally be willing to trade the guy and rebuild the team. He's pitched well but has gotten no run support so far this season and apparently he's beginning to get frustrated. Even talking about waiving his no-trade clause to go to a contender...He's owed $15 mil. this year, $16 mil. next season and possibly another $16 in 2012 (having trouble confirming the 2012 salary). I'm very interested. Any deal will undoubtedly involve a prospect or two but I'd also have to include Javy Vazquez and the $11.5 million bucks we owe him in the deal. We'd have to convince Houston that Javy's still a good pitcher, one who's always excelled in the National League (the quality performance he just had in Detroit's a nice place to start) AND that we'd be saving them a ton of money next year and possibly 2012 if there is indeed salary obligation there for Oswalt beyond next year --- Vazquez, by comparison only has the $11.5 left for this year, then he becomes a FA. What do you guys think? Vazquez and a couple of B-level prospects for Roy Oswalt? I'd do it. This guy's a damn good pitcher. As of right now I'm willing to be patient with Javy but if we could get Oswalt, he'd be a nice upgrade. I say we move quickly on this before other teams get involved.
Javy V & B prospects for Oswalt? where do i sign? i don't think that's got a shot of happening tho.
contrary to u, i'm not willing to be patient with Javy... the dude is going to implode in the worst possible situations if you give him the opportunity... don't want to see him put into that situation at all... get him out of here by any means necessary as long as we don't have to give up anymore of our good prospects to do it.
TMS wrote:Javy V & B prospects for Oswalt? where do i sign? i don't think that's got a shot of happening tho.contrary to u, i'm not willing to be patient with Javy... the dude is going to implode in the worst possible situations if you give him the opportunity... don't want to see him put into that situation at all... get him out of here by any means necessary as long as we don't have to give up anymore of our good prospects to do it.
He'll be alright. He's a 5th starter and we're still going to make the playoffs regardless of the shyt he pulls. He's not seeing any parts of a playoffs tho. I wouldnt trust that cat to do anything in any kind of a big spot.
sebstar wrote:TMS wrote:Javy V & B prospects for Oswalt? where do i sign? i don't think that's got a shot of happening tho.contrary to u, i'm not willing to be patient with Javy... the dude is going to implode in the worst possible situations if you give him the opportunity... don't want to see him put into that situation at all... get him out of here by any means necessary as long as we don't have to give up anymore of our good prospects to do it.
He'll be alright. He's a 5th starter and we're still going to make the playoffs regardless of the shyt he pulls. He's not seeing any parts of a playoffs tho. I wouldnt trust that cat to do anything in any kind of a big spot.
now he's a 5th starter? i thought when we traded for him he was supposed to be a legit #2 in other rotations that we were signing to be our #4 starter? sorry, but for a #5 starter u don't trade away prospects & pay him $11.5M dollar salaries... that was just a boneheaded acquisition the first time around & the second time around it was even worse.
TMS wrote:sebstar wrote:TMS wrote:Javy V & B prospects for Oswalt? where do i sign? i don't think that's got a shot of happening tho.contrary to u, i'm not willing to be patient with Javy... the dude is going to implode in the worst possible situations if you give him the opportunity... don't want to see him put into that situation at all... get him out of here by any means necessary as long as we don't have to give up anymore of our good prospects to do it.
He'll be alright. He's a 5th starter and we're still going to make the playoffs regardless of the shyt he pulls. He's not seeing any parts of a playoffs tho. I wouldnt trust that cat to do anything in any kind of a big spot.
now he's a 5th starter? i thought when we traded for him he was supposed to be a legit #2 in other rotations that we were signing to be our #4 starter? sorry, but for a #5 starter u don't trade away prospects & pay him $11.5M dollar salaries... that was just a boneheaded acquisition the first time around & the second time around it was even worse.
It gets even better -- looks like Javy's going down to the pen for at least the next series:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/arti...
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/n...
Very odd considering we just got Chan Ho Park back and considering Javy just threw a pretty good game in Detroit. I mean if you're Joe, wouldn't you want him to build on that? Girardi can spin this however he wants but the bottom line is it comes off as a demotion -- it looks like they're scared shyt to start him against Boston and/or @ the Mets the following series. I think they probably feel that if he fails against either team (esp. against Boston at home although that Met game's practically a home game as well) it could break the guy. They'd never come out and say that of course but that's what this latest move tells me. I don't know man -- I'm beginning to feel like TMS now. I really don't want to feel this way and I really wanna see them give the guy a little room here to right the ship, but this is starting to look like a failed experiment [getting him for a second go-around]. I really want the team to look into acquiring Roy Oswalt - he's good and I think he may be available right now. He'd be perfect and I wouldn't even care about taking on his future salary (we're gonna need another pitcher or two when we let Javy go at the end of the year anyway. Plus, who knows how much longer Pettitte can go too - eventually he may need to be replaced as well..With Sabathia making $24M+ a year and AJ making $16.5M a season, Oswalt's $15M this year and $16M next year sounds about right for a pitcher of his caliber.)... Javy would have to be included in the deal -- I think he'd not only pitch pretty well for the Astros being back in the National League & in a much less stressful environment (getting a major-league caliber pitcher back in the deal esp. a guy with Javy's stuff might appeal to them and might be something they'll need to sell to their fanbase in order to complete the deal) but he'd be saving them a ton of money in the process. Javy & a couple of B-level chips (and by 'B-level' I don't mean scrubs, I mean a couple of good youngsters from our system - just not the top guys like Montero, etc..)....That's the deal we need to make right now. Get it done Cash...In the meantime, who's gonna make the next start or two in lieu of Javy? Nova? This move does nothing for Javy's confidence I can tell you that...Forget about him possibly failing in starts against the Red Sox and Mets, we could've just crushed the guy's confidence with this demotion to the bullpen...
I couldn't believe Kubel's granny against Mo yesterday. What a shocker. When's the last time we saw something like that?? I think he's still got a lot left but it worries me. I think as long as he's healthy and his left side is feeling OK, we need to start getting Mo some regular work here so he can get in a groove. I feel like he's made only one other appearance recently besides yesterday. Besides that, I feel like the man hasn't pitched at all...I can understand Joe not wanting to push him (his days of challenging for the Rolaids Relief award are probably over) but we gotta get him rolling..
I think the offense is OK. I like Jorgie as the primary DH for now with Cervy behind the plate. For the time being, that's where we're at our best. Just have to sit tight and wait for Grandy to get back -- hopefully Granderson will come back strong and give us that extra boost offensively, kinda like making a trade for another big stick...That's what I'm hoping anyway...Gotta get Swish right too -- that left forearm problem worries me. He might need to sit for a week or so to get that arm right - I sure as hell don't want it to get any worse or wind up becoming a problem that lingers....I like what Park gave us early out of the pen - I'm glad he's back...The biggest problem right now is that 5th spot in the rotation. If they really don't have any confidence in Vazquez anymore, they're gonna need to do something. I guess you try to fix it from within first but if that doesn't work go get me Roy Owsalt. The guy would be the perfect solution right now..
TMS wrote:TMS, i think you finally hit the nail on the head after months of Javy bashing by saying "we would have saved about $7M on Javy's salary for this season &... with that extra $7M we could have easily retained Matsui or Damon."
i made that point months ago, you just haven't been listening... it's one of the main reasons why i didn't want Javy here... also because he was clearly not a guy who could succeed in NY & i knew there were better cheaper options for us to consider.
This guy is worse then pavano, Maybe it's the big stage, who knows, but there's been a number of pitchers over the years that have had great success else where but just can't seem to get it right in NY, Javier being the new culprit.
he's be god awful
he's a NL pitcher, bottomline... in the AL he's average at best... add to that fact he can't pitch on the big stage & he's a trainwreck waiting to happen in the Bronx... i don't care how many times he shuts down a team like the A's or Twins, there's no way you trust this guy to deliver in a big game situation... Joe Girardi apparently realizes this & is wisely pushing him back so he can avoid starting him vs. the Red Sox & Rays... we went through all that trouble to get this guy back & we can't even use him vs. our main rivals... would have been better off just going with a Gaudin/Mitre tandem as our #5 options & using the money we're spending on Javy to bring Johnny Damon back as our DH... Nick Johnson's been another experiment gone horribly wrong.
fuggin' Chan Ho Park! he's obviously from the North.
Hughes was unimpressive today.
wow, what a comeback! love when Papelbum gets pwned by the Yanks!
Childs2Dudley wrote:Hughes was unimpressive today.
2nd time in a week vs. the red sox.
djsunyc wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Hughes was unimpressive today.
2nd time in a week vs. the red sox.
what was so unimpresive about his first start against them? 7innings, 7Ks 2ER and 8 baserunners.
^^^^su is just a hater....he didnt even stay up to see the finale of the game last night.
nyk4ever wrote:djsunyc wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Hughes was unimpressive today.
2nd time in a week vs. the red sox.
what was so unimpresive about his first start against them? 7innings, 7Ks 2ER and 8 baserunners.
it was the 2nd time in a week vs. the same team so there was a good chance he was going to get roughed up the 2nd time around.
