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jimimou @ 7/11/2010 6:24 PM
RIP Shep
jusnice @ 7/13/2010 10:02 AM
The Boss died this a.m. Wow, this is a sad week for the Yanks...

RIP George. I don't know what else to say.

jimimou @ 7/13/2010 10:03 AM
tough week for the yanks franchise. george was the reason the yanks became prominent again back in a time when the city needed some positive light - he will be missed.
TMS @ 7/13/2010 10:40 AM
sad, sad day

TMS @ 7/13/2010 10:48 AM
a nice tribute website in honor of The Boss:

http://www.yankeetradition.com/steinbren...

MaTT4281 @ 7/13/2010 4:49 PM
Holy crap! Saw the news at my lunch break. Very sad day.
R.I.P. Boss...number 28's for you.
jimimou @ 7/15/2010 4:05 PM
i found this article on steinbrenner....the writer is a piece of shit....

George Steinbrenner: the biggest loser in baseballThe New York Yankees owner was a cruel and petty bully, who does not deserve the eulogies following his death this week

Muhammad Cohen guardian.co.uk
Thursday 15 July 2010 15.30 BST


George Steinbrenner was a loser. While insisting that nothing less than wining was acceptable, Steinbrenner owned the New York Yankees during the team's longest World Series drought since its first appearance in 1921, a dry spell directly attributable to Steinbrenner's insistent mismanagement.


Steinbrenner, who died on Tuesday at age 80, was a bully and a brat, devoid of humility, class, and civility, born on third base, deluded that he'd hit a triple, and convinced he had to tell the whole world how he'd done it. Famed for his bombast and for making himself bigger than his players and team, tolerated only because he had money and power, this Yankee Doodle Dandy born on the Fourth of July paved the way for America to become a loser by his example.


Just about every bit of praise eulogising Steinbrenner is 180 degrees wrong. The city's mayor, Michael Bloomberg, called him "a quintessential New Yorker" despite Steinbrenner hailing from Cleveland (Bloomberg's from Boston, weekends in Bermuda), living in Tampa, and blackmailing New Yorkers with threats to move the Yankees out of town to get a new $1.5bn (£1m) stadium that embodies his penchant for vulgar excess. He was a terrific businessman, a daring capitalist who insisted he needed public handouts for his billion-dollar family company; taxpayers underwrote the bonds for that new Yankee stadium and renovated the previous one, and have been rewarded with ticket prices that top out at $2,500.


Steinbrenner was a laughable figure in the comedy series Seinfeld with nothing funny about him. He was a generous man whose many donations we never heard about – as anyone who follows baseball has heard about constantly for the past 35 years – who was breathtakingly cruel and petty. He was a great sportsman, suspended twice from baseball for breaking the rules and convicted for breaking the law. He was a great Yankee who infuriated and alienated the team's players and fans and insulted the Yankees' traditions and greatest legends.


Days before Steinbrenner, the beloved Yankee Stadium announcer Bob Sheppard died. Yankee fan websites are abuzz with variants on the theme that Steinbrenner had clung to life to wait for Sheppard to announce his arrival in heaven. Believe me, if there is a heaven, George Steinbrenner won't be there.


I covered the Yankees as a wire service reporter during the 1980s at the height – or depth – of Steinbrenner's reign of error. He spent lavishly, as always thanks to lavish team income, to assemble the best team money could buy, but the Yankees didn't win any titles.


With his American football mentality – if he hadn't gotten rich from the family business, he would have become an itinerant assistant coach, wearing out his welcome at high schools across America after a year or two – Steinbrenner couldn't understand that baseball is a marathon, with a season of 162 games, not 16, and that no team can win every day.


Steinbrenner's impatience led to bad choices, and his megalomania forbade him from taking responsibility for them. So he fired managers, general managers and even public relations directors, with comic frequency. He dismissed the Yankees Hall of Famer Yogi Berra 16 games into the 1985 season, breaking an explicit promise that Berra had demanded before accepting the thankless manager's job. Berra, who played on a record 10 Yankee championship teams, refused to associate with the team until Steinbrenner apologised. He did – 14 years later.


Leading baseball's salary explosion, Steinbrenner believed that paying players like supermen would make them play that way. When they failed – and even the best hitters fail more than 60% of the time – Steinbrenner assumed the right to berate and humiliate them. One late afternoon in the Yankee clubhouse in 1988, the captain, Don Mattingly, the quiet centre of team turbulence, launched a spontaneous outburst against Steinbrenner. "All they give you here is money," he said, bemoaning the lack of respect, courtesy and dignity on offer.


The best player on those 1980s teams was Dave Winfield, signed to a record 10-year, $18m contract. Winfield was a superbly gifted athlete, drafted in three professional sports, and a classy, handsome, personable individual, among the first athletes to establish his own charitable foundation. I was convinced he'd be America's first black president.


Winfield compiled most of his Hall of Fame credentials as a Yankee, but Steinbrenner had signed him to replace Reggie Jackson, the self-styled Mr October (October being the month for the World Series). Winfield failed to get a hit in the Yankees' 1981 World Series loss to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Steinbrenner took it as a person insult. He derided Winfield as "Mr May". In 1988, Winfield set a record for driving in runs during April and told reporters: "Now it's on to May, and you know about me and May."


To get even with Winfield, and perhaps void his contract, Steinbrenner hired a lowlife named Howard Spira to spy on the player, hoping to find some dirt, particularly financial malfeasance, at the Dave Winfield Foundation. Spira got nothing on Winfield but lowered the boom on Steinbrenner.


Spira wasn't just any lowlife, he was a chronic gambler. Since bookmakers paid off the Chicago White Sox (thereafter the Black Sox) to lose the 1919 World Series, gambling has been baseball's cardinal sin. Steinbrenner's sleazy association earned him his second suspension from the game – the first followed his conviction for making illegal campaign contributions to fellow football fan Richard Nixon – and, ironically, set the stage for the Yankees to end their record post-season drought and create the dynasty that had eluded them under Steinbrenner's misrule.


With Steinbrenner out of the way, the Yankees were able to develop young players rather than trade them away for veterans in hope of a quick fix. The core team that won four out of five straight World Series and reached the playoffs every year from 1995 through 2007, came together when real baseball professionals ran the franchise.


Yet Steinbrenner was there front and centre to take credit for success while blaming others for failure. In his last gasp of conceit before formally ceding control of the team to his son Hank, Steinbrenner orchestrated the dismissal of manager Joe Torre, who'd led the Yankees to the postseason for 12 consecutive years.


Over four decades, Steinbrenner embodied and popularised the values of America's culture of arrogance seen in the banishment of civility and fact from political discourse, the Iraq invasion – a US victory, according to much of the press – obscene executive pay, and the 2008 economic meltdown. Yes, George, you really were a Yankee Doodle Dandy.

jusnice @ 7/15/2010 4:26 PM
You can't say he's all wrong in his assessment...having said that, I loved George, but my love of him developed as the Yanks began to ascend and after the really, really terrible mid to late 80's. I was born in 1974, so much of his crap with Martin and his ban were before my memory kicks in...
TMS @ 7/15/2010 5:07 PM
jimimou wrote:i found this article on steinbrenner....the writer is a piece of shit....

agreed... taking cheap shots at the guy after he passes away... that's so Bush League.

jimimou @ 7/15/2010 5:13 PM
TMS wrote:
jimimou wrote:i found this article on steinbrenner....the writer is a piece of shit....

agreed... taking cheap shots at the guy after he passes away... that's so Bush League.


yup, have the fishmikes (aka cohones) to talk shit when he's alive so he can atleast defend himself.....steinbrenner was no saint, but a posthumus cheap shot is straight worthy of a piledriver to the face

BigSm00th @ 7/16/2010 7:49 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/newyork/mlb/ne...

Easy to underappreciate George and the way he ran the team. Lets hope the new Powers that Be continue to do good by the fans. If Hal underappreciates what DJ and Rivera and Pettitte have done and low-balls any of them this offseason, that would not be good.

sidsanders @ 7/16/2010 3:14 PM
BigSm00th wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/newyork/mlb/ne...

Easy to underappreciate George and the way he ran the team. Lets hope the new Powers that Be continue to do good by the fans. If Hal underappreciates what DJ and Rivera and Pettitte have done and low-balls any of them this offseason, that would not be good.

what a dreadfully written article. most of the way through it, he keeps saying hal <> georgge. HOW ARE THEY DIFF???? he doesnt say enough to warrant that type of continued mention of the diff.

TMS @ 7/17/2010 2:04 PM
NICK SWISHER = best trade in a long, long time
SupremeCommander @ 7/20/2010 2:10 AM
TMS wrote:NICK SWISHER = best trade in a long, long time

agreed

Finestrg @ 7/20/2010 7:22 PM
Looks like Jonathan Albaladejo is gonna get the call up to take Pettitte's place on the roster for the time being. They're saying Andy has a grade 1 hamstring strain which is good news (I think that's the least severe).. Curious move considering Albaladejo been closing games for SWB --- 2-1, 0.96 era, 41 appearances (all in relief), 31 saves, 46.2 IP, 25 hits, 61 Ks. Very impressive stats but it looks like this dude's a straight up reliever now. Not even a middle man -- he's been the stopper at AAA. We gonna start this guy now out of the blue? Not sure what the Yanks are up to here..Looks like he's been pitching his ass off and probably deserves another look, but it looks to me he's better served staying where he is and continuing on as a short man. Hey, it's not like our bullpen's been lights out (esp. Joba) even though it was very good last game. Albaladejo could probably help out in the pen right now..But to ask him to suddenly switch gears and start important games in a pennant race at the major league level?? Not sure that's a good idea.

You know if we start looking around for a quality starter, the price probably just went way up with Pettitte going on the DL for at least the next month..Even so, I'd look around and see what's available..Maybe we could finally put something sensible together with Houston for Roy Oswalt. Dude's a frontline starter that's wanted out of Houston for awhile now. He wants to pitch for a winner. He's friends with Pettitte and I'm sure the two have had dialogue about Roy coming to NY at some point. They were prepared to give up a lot to get Cliff Lee almost two weeks ago starting with Jesus Montero. You figure Oswalt shouldn't cost as much and he's a pitcher with similar ability...Oswalt isn't quite Cliff Lee but he's damn close..Dude just threw a complete game 1-hitter recently..He's an ace. I say if we could get him w/o giving up Montero, you make the deal. I still think this is our guy.

TMS @ 7/20/2010 7:47 PM
i've always wanted Oswalt here just like you Finest... i heard someone on ESPN say they maybe asking for 2 midlevel prospects for him (not sure who it may have been Olney)... i'd easily give that up to get a pitcher of his calibre... as long as they're not asking for a top level prospect like Montero, i'd pull the trigger to get him to the Bronx.
Bonn1997 @ 7/20/2010 8:56 PM
Hughes started the year great but has gotten a lot worse each month.
Bonn1997 @ 7/20/2010 9:05 PM
I've never heard of a grade 1 sprain taking 5 weeks to recover from. Usually those are ones you just walk off, and the grade 2 or 3 sprains are the ones that take over a month. I'm no MD but I do pay a lot of attention to these injury reports.
Finestrg @ 7/20/2010 9:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I've never heard of a grade 1 sprain taking 5 weeks to recover from. Usually those are ones you just walk off, and the grade 2 or 3 sprains are the ones that take over a month. I'm no MD but I do pay a lot of attention to these injury reports.

Well from what I heard, it's a grade 1 strain of the hammy. Sprained ankles and such might be categorized a little differently medically speaking..Point taken though Bonn..4-5 weeks does sound like a lot of time to miss for something that doesn't sound that severe.

Finestrg @ 7/20/2010 9:26 PM
TMS wrote:i've always wanted Oswalt here just like you Finest... i heard someone on ESPN say they maybe asking for 2 midlevel prospects for him (not sure who it may have been Olney)... i'd easily give that up to get a pitcher of his calibre... as long as they're not asking for a top level prospect like Montero, i'd pull the trigger to get him to the Bronx.

I tell ya what T, for two mid-level prospects (meaning no Montero) you do that deal yesterday. Buster Olney's got a good pulse on things -- if he's saying two mid-level guys gets it done, I gotta believe him..Maybe 2 prospects and we get them to take a contract back like Javy Vasquez..Javy's expiring but still, it'd be nice to get the rest of his contract off the books even for only the rest of this year and then once Andy comes back, Oswalt slides right into Javy's spot with no problems. Or maybe we just wind up holding onto Javy for the time being..Either way, Oswalt would be a nice guy to proceed with for at least the next two seasons (I think he has two years left on his deal if I remember right). He'd be worth it. We'll wind up being in the market for a good pitcher next off-season anyway with Javy coming off the books and Pettitte going year-to-year.

In the meantime, Albaladejo's in the game now in relief of Hughes. I guess he's not gonna be the one filling in for Pettitte in the rotation...I don't think Albaladejo's that great too to be honest..Seen this guy before up with the big club and he doesn't look like a top flight pitcher. Getting smacked around a little since entering the game here. We're down 4 now, 6-2..You gotta wonder where Pettitte's replacement is gonna come from..They still have time for another internal call up, but my guess is that it'll come via trade, esp. with the club ready to make that trade for Cliff Lee. They obviously thought they needed to bulster the rotation and that was before Andy got hurt. I think something could be brewin' here..

Just to touch on what you guys were saying about Swisher, I totally agree -- he's been one of the best trade acquisitions for this club since I can't even remember (maybe Bobby Abreu or maybe since the Paul O'Neill trade). Kevin Long gets a lot of credit -- you can tell Swish is a lot more quiet at the plate this year, esp. left-handed. Long is good at what he does..

Joe just got tossed arguing a call at first..Maybe that'll light a fire under their asses. See if we got a nice comeback in us tonight.

Finestrg @ 7/20/2010 9:31 PM
Albaladejo ineffective and now Park..Down 8-2..

We might be in the market for a reliever and a starter.

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