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HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

Just wondering why the OP omitted CJ Watson on the Pacers pg depth chart?

The Knicks advantage imo though is the 2-3 spots depending on where Melo plays.

The Pacers dont rely on their bench much, but their additions are kinda good

Melonoma wrote:Melo is overrated by Knick fans.

Really, you think so, I couldn't tell your opinion of melo by your username...................
Say it, say Paul George is better, you know you want to. I'll be waiting, I love a good laugh.

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

I actually see the Pacers flipping Granger for Rondo.

Just wondering why the OP omitted CJ Watson on the Pacers pg depth chart?

The Knicks advantage imo though is the 2-3 spots depending on where Melo plays.

The Pacers dont rely on their bench much, but their additions are kinda good

why do you think the Celtics would want Granger and a probable late pick? I imagine the Cs want a young player, an early pick, or someone to take Wallace's contract.

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

I actually see the Pacers flipping Granger for Rondo.

Just wondering why the OP omitted CJ Watson on the Pacers pg depth chart?

The Knicks advantage imo though is the 2-3 spots depending on where Melo plays.

The Pacers dont rely on their bench much, but their additions are kinda good

why do you think the Celtics would want Granger and a probable late pick? I imagine the Cs want a young player, an early pick, or someone to take Wallace's contract.

Also Granger is an expiring contract....Boston is in a complete firesale, Boston would do it even without a pick coming back.

Sure they would love to get rid of Wallace deal, but with teams having to maintain a salary floor, you kinda have to have a bad deal around.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

I don't think so. I would imagine they'll keep the same starting lineup as last season, Hibbert, West, George, Stephenson, Hill, with Granger coming off the bench allowing Indy to go small with him at the 4 and George at the 3 or big with Granger at 3 and George at 2.

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

I don't think so. I would imagine they'll keep the same starting lineup as last season, Hibbert, West, George, Stephenson, Hill, with Granger coming off the bench allowing Indy to go small with him at the 4 and George at the 3 or big with Granger at 3 and George at 2.

Granger at the 4? I doubt that, he can't defend 4s and that takes minutes from Scola, who also can't defend 4s so maybe it doesn't matter. Im interested in how they work everything out though.

In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.

We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.

Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.

nixluva wrote:I don't agree that Hibbert has reached some new level of performance. He's gonna have to prove that with a repeat performance in the regular season and playoffs. A lot of the way he looked was due to the lack of anyone his size defending him. Tyson normally doesn't get dominated and I believe he wasn't right last year.

In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.

We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.

Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.

I saw pictures of Hibbert--he looks unbelievable. If it improves his play where he is able to shut off interiors and score 17 points game on the other end--then hes an unstoppable difference maker with the rest of their make up.

nixluva wrote:I don't agree that Hibbert has reached some new level of performance. He's gonna have to prove that with a repeat performance in the regular season and playoffs. A lot of the way he looked was due to the lack of anyone his size defending him. Tyson normally doesn't get dominated and I believe he wasn't right last year.

In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.

We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.

Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.

Why should Hibbert have to "prove" anything? He did the same to Miami that he did to us....thats enough "proof".

We havent added anyone to offset his rebounding efforts which was a killer.

The Pacers beat the Knicks in more ways than one, the Knicks are the one who have to "prove" themselves....the Pacers made it to the ECF and two years in a row, their season came to an end at the hands of the champ.

While the Pacers even found ways to improve in the areas they were clearly weak in notably Scola and signing one of our players, we still havent done so.....the saga for the backup center still plays on.

Both teams had injuries to deal with...Granger wasnt there at all, and one of the games we won George Hill was out with a concussion.

Imo, the Knicks have way more to prove..compared to the regular season they looked like a joke in the playoffs.

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

I actually see the Pacers flipping Granger for Rondo.

Just wondering why the OP omitted CJ Watson on the Pacers pg depth chart?

The Knicks advantage imo though is the 2-3 spots depending on where Melo plays.

The Pacers dont rely on their bench much, but their additions are kinda good

they are definitely going to have to trade granger. he isn't an efficient enough player nor a robust enough defender and his numbers show he has been trending downwards for the last several seasons.

i think if they swap him for rondo that creates a better "problem" than dealing with granger on that squad.

watson was an okay pickup but you have to start wondering about his journeyman status. i did not like what i saw from augustine in the playoffs so they would do well to try and find a good backup point guard who can defend the position and protect the ball. watson may be that player but it seems like closer to a lateral move.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Most likely George will start at SG and Granger will start at SF. George/Stephenson will hold the SG spots, Granger/Copeland will hold the SF spots.

I actually see the Pacers flipping Granger for Rondo.

Just wondering why the OP omitted CJ Watson on the Pacers pg depth chart?

The Knicks advantage imo though is the 2-3 spots depending on where Melo plays.

The Pacers dont rely on their bench much, but their additions are kinda good

they are definitely going to have to trade granger. he isn't an efficient enough player nor a robust enough defender and his numbers show he has been trending downwards for the last several seasons.

i think if they swap him for rondo that creates a better "problem" than dealing with granger on that squad.

watson was an okay pickup but you have to start wondering about his journeyman status. i did not like what i saw from augustine in the playoffs so they would do well to try and find a good backup point guard who can defend the position and protect the ball. watson may be that player but it seems like closer to a lateral move.

Not too many defensive minded options for pg.

I agree granger has declined quite a bit.

Dagger wrote:

Melonoma wrote:Melo is overrated by Knick fans.

Really, you think so, I couldn't tell your opinion of melo by your username...................
Say it, say Paul George is better, you know you want to. I'll be waiting, I love a good laugh.

Melo is a better scorer, George is a better defender and all-around player. I think Melo helps the Knicks more than George helps the Pacers, but I'd definitely take George if I were building a team. That's not much of a question to me.

When Melo isn't scoring like a monster, he doesn't help his team. That's why he'll never be an elite player and is lucky he's considered a superstar. The past three playoffs (especially the last one when everyone was healthy and he had a great supporting cast) have proven that. This team will NEVER win a championship with Melo as their best player.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't agree that Hibbert has reached some new level of performance. He's gonna have to prove that with a repeat performance in the regular season and playoffs. A lot of the way he looked was due to the lack of anyone his size defending him. Tyson normally doesn't get dominated and I believe he wasn't right last year.

In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.

We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.

Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.

I saw pictures of Hibbert--he looks unbelievable. If it improves his play where he is able to shut off interiors and score 17 points game on the other end--then hes an unstoppable difference maker with the rest of their make up.

I still have to see Hibbert be consistently good before giving him that much credit. He had a very good post season last year, but that doesn't mean he's gonna dominate for 82 games this year. I have to see that before I believe it.

Roy Hibbert Stats
Regular Season Averages
SEASON	GP  GS  MIN    FGM-A    FG%    3P%  FTM-A     FT%  OR   DR   REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF   TO   PTS
'08-'09	70  41  14.4  2.8-6.0   .471  .000  1.4-2.1  .667  1.6  1.8  3.5  0.7  1.1  0.3  3.1  0.8  7.1
'09-'10	81  69  25.1  4.8-9.7   .495  .500  2.1-2.8  .754  2.2  3.5  5.7  2.0  1.6  0.4  3.5  1.8  11.7
'10-'11	81  80  27.7  5.1-11.0  .461  .000  2.5-3.4  .745  2.3  5.3  7.5  2.0  1.8  0.4  3.2  2.3  12.7
'11-'12	65  65  29.8  5.1-10.3  .497  .000  2.6-3.7  .711  3.3  5.5  8.8  1.7  2.0  0.5  3.0  2.0  12.8
'12-'13	79  79  28.7  4.9-10.9  .448  .250  2.1-2.8  .741  3.8  4.6  8.3  1.4  2.6  0.5  3.5  2.1  11.9
Career  376 334 25.3  4.6-9.6   .473  .267  2.1-2.9  .729  2.6	4.2  6.8  1.6  1.8  0.4  3.3  1.8  11.3

Hibbert has been less than dominant IMO. He's a real weapon, but we'll have to see if he can produce as an elite C over the course of an entire season and playoffs or will he be the mystery he's often been.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't agree that Hibbert has reached some new level of performance. He's gonna have to prove that with a repeat performance in the regular season and playoffs. A lot of the way he looked was due to the lack of anyone his size defending him. Tyson normally doesn't get dominated and I believe he wasn't right last year.

In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.

We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.

Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.

I saw pictures of Hibbert--he looks unbelievable. If it improves his play where he is able to shut off interiors and score 17 points game on the other end--then hes an unstoppable difference maker with the rest of their make up.

I still have to see Hibbert be consistently good before giving him that much credit. He had a very good post season last year, but that doesn't mean he's gonna dominate for 82 games this year. I have to see that before I believe it.

Roy Hibbert Stats
Regular Season Averages
SEASON	GP  GS  MIN    FGM-A    FG%    3P%  FTM-A     FT%  OR   DR   REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF   TO   PTS
'08-'09	70  41  14.4  2.8-6.0   .471  .000  1.4-2.1  .667  1.6  1.8  3.5  0.7  1.1  0.3  3.1  0.8  7.1
'09-'10	81  69  25.1  4.8-9.7   .495  .500  2.1-2.8  .754  2.2  3.5  5.7  2.0  1.6  0.4  3.5  1.8  11.7
'10-'11	81  80  27.7  5.1-11.0  .461  .000  2.5-3.4  .745  2.3  5.3  7.5  2.0  1.8  0.4  3.2  2.3  12.7
'11-'12	65  65  29.8  5.1-10.3  .497  .000  2.6-3.7  .711  3.3  5.5  8.8  1.7  2.0  0.5  3.0  2.0  12.8
'12-'13	79  79  28.7  4.9-10.9  .448  .250  2.1-2.8  .741  3.8  4.6  8.3  1.4  2.6  0.5  3.5  2.1  11.9
Career  376 334 25.3  4.6-9.6   .473  .267  2.1-2.9  .729  2.6	4.2  6.8  1.6  1.8  0.4  3.3  1.8  11.3

Hibbert has been less than dominant IMO. He's a real weapon, but we'll have to see if he can produce as an elite C over the course of an entire season and playoffs or will he be the mystery he's often been.

If it were any other center i probably would question, but georgetown rarely puts out garbage.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't agree that Hibbert has reached some new level of performance. He's gonna have to prove that with a repeat performance in the regular season and playoffs. A lot of the way he looked was due to the lack of anyone his size defending him. Tyson normally doesn't get dominated and I believe he wasn't right last year.

In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.

We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.

Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.

I saw pictures of Hibbert--he looks unbelievable. If it improves his play where he is able to shut off interiors and score 17 points game on the other end--then hes an unstoppable difference maker with the rest of their make up.

I still have to see Hibbert be consistently good before giving him that much credit. He had a very good post season last year, but that doesn't mean he's gonna dominate for 82 games this year. I have to see that before I believe it.

Roy Hibbert Stats
Regular Season Averages
SEASON	GP  GS  MIN    FGM-A    FG%    3P%  FTM-A     FT%  OR   DR   REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF   TO   PTS
'08-'09	70  41  14.4  2.8-6.0   .471  .000  1.4-2.1  .667  1.6  1.8  3.5  0.7  1.1  0.3  3.1  0.8  7.1
'09-'10	81  69  25.1  4.8-9.7   .495  .500  2.1-2.8  .754  2.2  3.5  5.7  2.0  1.6  0.4  3.5  1.8  11.7
'10-'11	81  80  27.7  5.1-11.0  .461  .000  2.5-3.4  .745  2.3  5.3  7.5  2.0  1.8  0.4  3.2  2.3  12.7
'11-'12	65  65  29.8  5.1-10.3  .497  .000  2.6-3.7  .711  3.3  5.5  8.8  1.7  2.0  0.5  3.0  2.0  12.8
'12-'13	79  79  28.7  4.9-10.9  .448  .250  2.1-2.8  .741  3.8  4.6  8.3  1.4  2.6  0.5  3.5  2.1  11.9
Career  376 334 25.3  4.6-9.6   .473  .267  2.1-2.9  .729  2.6	4.2  6.8  1.6  1.8  0.4  3.3  1.8  11.3

Hibbert has been less than dominant IMO. He's a real weapon, but we'll have to see if he can produce as an elite C over the course of an entire season and playoffs or will he be the mystery he's often been.

What exactly are you looking to see? he isnt a dominant option on offense, the pacers only used him in that fashion because of the opponents they faced with a ton of second chance points, but he gets a ton of offensive rebounds and blocks shots, which is his game, which is clear by the data you yourself just presented.

If it were any other center i probably would question, but georgetown rarely puts out garbage.

My point is evident. He can be a force in the paint, but this playoff was the first time he ever displayed the kind of offensive explosion he did in that small snapshot of 19 games. He's never been consistently dominant over the course of a season and it's possible he just had a hot streak in the playoffs. One great playoff run doesn't make a career. People are putting way to much credit on that one showing. They bash AB for not being over 50% and give Hibbert a pass. Hibbert is a big dude and he guards the basket at a high level but he also disappears in far too many games.

I'm anxious to see how he does this year against a Knicks team that he can't just camp out in the paint against. I think teams will show him different looks this year and try to get him in more uncomfortable situations. If he's not able to camp in the paint and just wait for players to be funneled into him, he's far less effective. What happens if the Pacers have to face the Bulls this year? How will they do against the Nets? It's going to be very interesting.

BRIGGS wrote:C Ind Hibbert Mahinmi NY Chandler Martin

HUge edge to Indiana Hibbert looks like he is also in better shape and looked like his offensive game could take a step up

PF Ind West Scola NY Bargnani Stoudemire This is a tough one but Im going to go even. On basis I would say edge Indiana as West has been a monster and Scola is a huge step up from Tyler H. Im going to say even with my belief that CJ Watson again Bargnani will be much better than people think and Amare should have a better health year with less minutes--his per minute ratio last year was incredible

SF Carmelo Ron Artest SF Paul George Danny Granger This is advantage NY but not by a lot. We do not have a clue what Granger will do but we know Copeland can be a high quality sub. Paul George is a star in the making but give the slight edge to Melo

SG Shumpert Smith Lance Stephenson Prob Granger or Johnson.... Big advantage NY. I think Shump breaks out a bit this year and Smith Hardaway are going to be quality back ups Stephenson hasnt proven he cant shoot--Indiana may be better if Granger is healthy and can play back up 2 instead of Johsnon but on basis big ad Knicks

PG Felton Udirih Ind Hill Hill and Felton equal out but Udirih and Prigioni put the Knicks way over the top

Depth Knicks
Coaching Slight advantage Pacre

Key Hibbert--the bottom line is if he starts dominating at 7-2 285 all bets might be off. If he is status quo I think our overall team play might come through close to call.

Overall I agree. The BIG difference is hibbert..if hes on top of his game the pacers go to another level. Im not that biggest fan of granger. i wont be surprised if he comes off the bench