Knicks · Best move woodson has done for the season (page 1)

JR is either going to have to wake the fck up or get the fck out

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

H1AND1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

I get what you are saying but my point was that if he decides he wants to be the guy from last season while being a good teammate, I would be all for giving him big minutes.

With JR sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. My prediction is we will all be rooting for him again by the end of season.

He may be dysfunctional... but he is one of ours. And c'mon... how many dysfunctional Knicks have we all rooted for?!?

ToddTT wrote:Great move by Woodson. And I'm sure it was discussed, and Dolan agreed to it.

With JR sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. My prediction is we will all be rooting for him again by the end of season.

He may be dysfunctional... but he is one of ours. And c'mon... how many dysfunctional Knicks have we all rooted for?!?

My bet is that move came from Dolan. When Woodson says no comment--thats a Dolan. Id rather we move on from JR--we have Hardaway Shumpert Murry Udirih--we dont need more than 4 guards--especially one who feels entitled--that is part on the Knicks but mostly on JR--I hope they cut him.

BRIGGS wrote:

ToddTT wrote:Great move by Woodson. And I'm sure it was discussed, and Dolan agreed to it.

With JR sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. My prediction is we will all be rooting for him again by the end of season.

He may be dysfunctional... but he is one of ours. And c'mon... how many dysfunctional Knicks have we all rooted for?!?

My bet is that move came from Dolan. When Woodson says no comment--thats a Dolan. Id rather we move on from JR--we have Hardaway Shumpert Murry Udirih--we dont need more than 4 guards--especially one who feels entitled--that is part on the Knicks but mostly on JR--I hope they cut him.

I hope he can get his act together..the guy can make us that much better when he's focus..and i like him and shumps on the court..

Allanfan20 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

I get what you are saying but my point was that if he decides he wants to be the guy from last season while being a good teammate, I would be all for giving him big minutes.

Allanfan: Yes, sorry. I completely agree that if JR is capable of going back to playing the "right way" then by all means get him in the lineup. Unfortunately, I just personally don't see it ever happening again, at least not with the NYK. But hey I would happily eat my words and take a motivated, head screwed on straight JR.

My post win hubris/bravado was in full gear and I should've clarified all this but instead simply decided to bash JR.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-benc...

Within days of J.R. Smith arriving armed with a historic $3 million contract, Zhejiang of the Chinese Basketball League had come to regret signing the clown prince of basketball. From unreasonable demands on the kind of car needed to curry him around the city, to skipping practices for shopping excursions in neighboring cities, to a relentless pattern of insubordination, Smith's bad act had never been worse.

Perhaps his greatest excess of idiocy had been a weekend of running a room service bill into the proximity of $3,000, a source with direct knowledge told Yahoo Sports. He kept ordering food, stacking piles of trays upon trays – "just to see if they would keep bringing it to the room," the source said.

All uneaten, all on the franchise's tab – all a window into a fool.

Smith would be fined more than $1 million in that lockout season in China, which is some kind of stupid considering he had gone overseas on the desperate premise of a money grab. He has come back to the States, signed two free-agent contracts with the New York Knicks and soon will push $1 million in fines for his NBA career. He's been suspended for a reckless driving death and fights and drugs. He's 28-years old, and he's learned little in his life except how to use basketball to get over on everyone again and again.

This time, it was the act of untying opponents' sneakers that cost him $50,000 and the ire of a Knicks organization that has longed enabled – even encouraged – the most mean-spirited and pointless of behavior.

Across 48 hours, the Knicks tried a different approach with Smith. First, they floated the empty threat of trading him. And then coach Mike Woodson benched him on Thursday night in a victory over the Miami Heat at Madison Square Garden.

Smith will be back again, and the Knicks will be at his mercy. After Smith was the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year last season, he found a sparse free-agent market over the summer. And, now, with a three-year, $18 million contract, knee surgery and a suspension to start the season, the Knicks couldn't even start a trade conversation on Smith without attaching a good, young player or a first-round draft pick to him.
This is a different NBA financial climate, where teams are stingier than ever on awarding long-term, guaranteed money to those as combustible and unreliable as Smith. Smith's exodus is a non-starter and the Knicks know it.

If Smith didn't have such an inflated opinion of himself, he'd probably know it, too. Everyone understands how this will go now: Smith will tell everyone that he needs to grow up, that he's let down his coach and teammates and fans. The Knicks will start to play him again, and it's just a matter of time until Smith's self-destructive act will resurface. Once again, he'll be ignorant to the score in the final seconds of a game – like the loss he cost the Knicks in Houston – or he'll get into trouble off the floor. Or probably both.

After his release from prison four years ago, Smith sat inside a New Jersey country club, and told me how the death of his close friend, caused by Smith's recklessness behind the wheel, had changed his life. From the guilt over the death, to a summer in a prison cell, to wanting his young daughter to never have to keep reading about his misdeeds, Smith vowed to be a changed man.

“I think I was a follower to an extent,” Smith told me. “If someone would ask me to do something that was on the borderline, more than likely I’d say, ‘OK, let’s go.’ Now, I think I see the bigger picture finally. …I think I need to mature and understand what I say before I say it, and what I do before I do it."

He can make it sound so sincere, but the con never ends. J.R. Smith was raised in a suburban, middle-class home with two good parents and access to an excellent education. He had a tremendous high school coaching mentor – Dan Hurley at St. Benedict's Prep in Newark, N.J. – and he has long been taught the difference of right and wrong. Smith's always loved to play the part of a tough city kid, but truth be told, he's a soft, spoiled suburban jump-shooter.

And when Smith's benching ends with these Knicks, there will be no epiphanies. No revelations. Everyone knows how this story ends with him, how the money will dry up and how he'll wish he had done everything so differently in his career. It is sad and predictable and on a collision course with cliche.

Someday, Smith will make that call to room service – insisting upon more of everything – and there will be no one to answer. J.R. Smith is 28-years old, and it is too late to threaten and punish a spoiled, suburban kid. No trade, no epiphanies, no changes. The Knicks deserve J.R. Smith, and he'll belong to them until the bitter end.

Allanfan20 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

I get what you are saying but my point was that if he decides he wants to be the guy from last season while being a good teammate, I would be all for giving him big minutes.

I agree but he has to have an attitude change. He looked angry yesterday, not like he learned his lesson. He needs some more DNP-CDs. He lost his spot in the rotation for now.

Was at the game and he came out early before the 3rd to shoot FTs and it just looked so disingenuous. Hearing his BS afterward just reaffirmed my opinion.

It's annoying that after such a big win, that this nonsense is talked about more than us dominating the paint against the defending champs.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

I get what you are saying but my point was that if he decides he wants to be the guy from last season while being a good teammate, I would be all for giving him big minutes.

I agree but he has to have an attitude change. He looked angry yesterday, not like he learned his lesson. He needs some more DNP-CDs. He lost his spot in the rotation for now.

Oh I agree. He needs to take a page out of Nate Robinsons book. The guy was acting like a child on the court so Mike D'Antoni benched him. I am not sure why we support JR being benched but scolded MDA for doing it to Nate. They both deserved it. Back to the point, I was actually extremely happy how professional Nate was, at least in front of the cameras. He cheered on his teammates, said the right things to the media and worked even harder to stay prepared. Before every single game, the cameras showed Nate running up and down the steps. He finally got his number called against the Hawks and scored 40. I never wanted to see Nate go.

As crazy as it sounds, JR should be looking up to Nate right now.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

I get what you are saying but my point was that if he decides he wants to be the guy from last season while being a good teammate, I would be all for giving him big minutes.

I agree but he has to have an attitude change. He looked angry yesterday, not like he learned his lesson. He needs some more DNP-CDs. He lost his spot in the rotation for now.

Oh I agree. He needs to take a page out of Nate Robinsons book. The guy was acting like a child on the court so Mike D'Antoni benched him. I am not sure why we support JR being benched but scolded MDA for doing it to Nate. They both deserved it. Back to the point, I was actually extremely happy how professional Nate was, at least in front of the cameras. He cheered on his teammates, said the right things to the media and worked even harder to stay prepared. Before every single game, the cameras showed Nate running up and down the steps. He finally got his number called against the Hawks and scored 40. I never wanted to see Nate go.

As crazy as it sounds, JR should be looking up to Nate right now.

yep, but i think JR is a different breed, Nate was in his 2nd or 3rd season, this is like Jrs 8th season, and he's made nate look like a choir boy by comparison ..Jr is a very good player minus the dumb sht, and he takes advantage of that.

But woodson may have spoiled him to the point of no real return, just a good few wks then back to the non sense

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:That won us the game. We didn't have to deal with the added inefficiency. The Heat were going to make it hard enough. Now it's up to JR to decide if he wants to be JR from this season or last season.

Completely agree. Bench that MF'er for the rest of the season for all I care. He's a cancer.

I get what you are saying but my point was that if he decides he wants to be the guy from last season while being a good teammate, I would be all for giving him big minutes.

I agree but he has to have an attitude change. He looked angry yesterday, not like he learned his lesson. He needs some more DNP-CDs. He lost his spot in the rotation for now.

Oh I agree. He needs to take a page out of Nate Robinsons book. The guy was acting like a child on the court so Mike D'Antoni benched him. I am not sure why we support JR being benched but scolded MDA for doing it to Nate. They both deserved it. Back to the point, I was actually extremely happy how professional Nate was, at least in front of the cameras. He cheered on his teammates, said the right things to the media and worked even harder to stay prepared. Before every single game, the cameras showed Nate running up and down the steps. He finally got his number called against the Hawks and scored 40. I never wanted to see Nate go.

As crazy as it sounds, JR should be looking up to Nate right now.

yep, but i think JR is a different breed, Nate was in his 2nd or 3rd season, this is like Jrs 8th season, and he's made nate look like a choir boy by comparison ..Jr is a very good player minus the dumb sht, and he takes advantage of that.

But woodson may have spoiled him to the point of no real return, just a good few wks then back to the non sense

What worries me -- and I think it's a trend with Woody -- is that he doesn't communicate with players he's pissed at. He should be direct with JR. Tell him why he's getting benched and what he has to do to get back in the rotation. From what JR said (granted, not the most reliable source) Woody didn't do that and JR was surprised that he'd been benched. There was a similar, smaller incident earlier this year when Woody was pissed at Udrich and basically said, when asked about it, that the guy's a professional -- I don't have to talk to him about why I called him out in the press. Not great management practice, imo.

With JR, I'd bench him -- maybe for several games, tell him I'm disappointed. Tell him he can still be a key part of the team but things have to change ... A LOT. And then help him make the change. All this might not work. But we're in for $6M a year for 2 more years with JR, so I'm not ready to give up (unless some would trade for him); I'd rather we try to get him back w/o sacrificing the team in the meantime.

Mike Woodson has already said everything you suggest. Starting with the saggy pants episode. Then the multiple weed busts. The sholelace warning and subsequent violation. Why does any head coach need to provide an explanation for playing time, especially given the forgiveness offered to date?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-bench-j-r--smith--but-nba-s-clown-prince-will-be-back-soon-enough-055612473.html

Coaches control minutes.

You suck. You sit. Who cares how it was done...?

It ain't that deep.

bernard - any complaint of players feeling entitled is diffused by the head coach making all players earn minutes with dependable play, the dedication to improve and professionalism.

Minutes are not guaranteed.