Knicks · What do you really think is wrong with Iman Shumpert ? (page 1)

I think Shumpert is a man , but young and stubborn enough to not want to play the game his owner (JAMES DOLAN)and coach (MIKE WOODSON) has played with him.

There are two roads to choose from

THE HIGH ROAD: You know that you are being played by management, but you continue as a paid pro athlete under contract to be professional regardless.

THE LOW ROAD: I know you are playing a game with me and want me to pay my dues and I am under contract, but I will protest the treatment that I am receiving and won't play up to my ability. I want out, or want a change with the coach.

There is nothing wrong physically with Iman Shumpert , if he is traded he will excel with a good team and showcase his strengths and all he can bring to a team that's unified.

If we could only be at practice and see how people are treated and mistreated.
Dysfunction will always have a root cause.

He is not a good shooter unless wide open with his feet set, not a good finisher unless jumping off of two feet. Wally in the post game pointed out how the blazers put aldridge on him at times because they have no fear for his offensive game.

The knicks have a false sense of value to this teAm. He's not a good nba player

Many reasons

He was suppose to develop at SG and PG (on defense but still have better PG skils on offense)
He is just not a good finisher and has loss speed/mobility
However, we don't have a good PG and quality penetration

partly because he has been playing out of position for the most part
he plays SF and even gets switched off to PF at times

He is now trying to suck it up, be the glue player, CHANGE things on DEF *a lot of them are stupid* because he knows his lineup sucks on DEFENSE look at it*
In the starting lineup, they are all mismatches any given night

We are playing a SPREAD offense, *like Novak* if the defender doesn't look to cheat, Iman will have a tough time releasing the ball unless he builds his confidence back up
He should just play him close and when Iman doesn't get his feet squared and room to operate, he has been able to

Yes, he should have been working on his PG and SG skills more than looking to get stronger to defend and play a position that he is ANOTHER mismatch on with the rest of the team, thus creating more holes and weakness's for the opponents to attack

Why did

Novak
Fields
Iman
Chandler

all regress when Lin was gone?

because he way he played, his approach of the game, the team was able to play off his abilities, more importantly Lin knew how to play off and redirect weakness's, mismatches, create, for the team
Unlike what many think of Lin, he allows all his players to touch the ball, the ball would WILLINING end back up in his hands for majority of the plays
He makes his team mates better, he keeps them focused, he plays and UPTEMPO system that rewards his team mates for RUNNING

Now we constantly slowly bring the ball up, wasting time for much for the 24 SEC possession
Then it sometimes goes to Chandler who WILL NOT dribble, unlikely to shoot unless wide open, but WILL PASS *we are predictable, we do the same crap everyday*

It is not an easy task to play as Melo as the #1 goto man, unless he has the mismatch at PF to create
Also our penetration has been weak in addition to our horrible DEF
He doesn't have the talent around him

However, our mental when Melo isn't in the game is very different, *I AM NOT BLAMING MELO*
We usually look to create off 2-3 players abilities, while 2 other players become *FILL IN THE BLANKS*

We looked our best in the 2 quarter, the way we played, spacing, on DEF and OFF....
It was basically 3 players that looked to create

#Amare #1 option but the ball was constantly in JR's hands
# JR Smith #2 option, penetrating and looking to create or easy bucket
# 3 was Pablo *though he was just moving the ball mainly, it was hoping the flow of the game*

Fill ins
Tyler was able to predict when to go for OFFENSIVE BOARDS with the style we were playing in addition to the players we had on the floor
Tim Hardaway JR was spreading the offense, but he also has the ability to either SHOOT or if guarded, penetrate

While when JR and Melo play together, JR doesn't get many opportunities to handle the ball consistently,
They take turns to try to create, while it becomes more of a stand around and watch
We have to talk and many of the poor decisions we make can be corrected, more but Woodson just doesn't see it

BRIGGS wrote:The knicks have a false sense of value to this teAm. He's not a good nba player

What was Trevor Ariza's value when he fist entered the league and what was his potential?

What was his value and skills like he was still on the Knick's and left, why in such a short amount of time?
WHY DID HE IMPROVE SO MUCH in so little time, he instantly played better in Orlando and on the Laker's he was GREAT

Ariza's length and athleticism was always there, however, you still need talents to compliment his abilities
ARiza played anywhere form usually SF, PF, and SG, and was able to defend 3-4 positions while on the Lakers
Had he stayed on the Lakers instead of MWP, I think they might have won a extra ring

PG
SG
Ariza
Odom
Gasol

PG
Shannon Brown
Kobe
Ariza
Odom (Gasol)

PG
Ariza
SF
Odom
Gasol

you need TALENT, YOU NEED OTHER PLAYERS, skilled, versatile players, with length and athleticism
Look at why those lineups work and Bynum didn't get the minutes he always wanted

So in the end, it is FIT, with the other players and talent that compliments each other, and The HEAD COACH recognizing it and letting the players know where the mismatches are, along with how to execute it

No excuse for Shunp. If you remember Shump played horribly against garbage competition in the summer league. Yeah he was playing point guard but basketball is basketball and he's a guard with pg skills.

If you also remember, Austin Rivers lit him up for a 30 plus scoring night. Austin Rivers currently can't get off the Pelican bench.

He is what he is.....Deshawn Stevenson. That's who he is and Deshawn was better than Shump at the same age. No more excuses

I don't get Iman this season. Isn't he supposed be a basketball player? This dude need a change of scenery in the worst way but dang his value too low. He gets away with it while starting. It's becoming a joke.

I just think he is in a funk, just like JR was in a funk.

You can see flashes - occasionally during games, you'll see that Shump is trying to be aggressive, and attack the defense in transition.

I think he needs a change- like a different coach and different system. I'd like him to get it here, but when I think about him as a person, this environment probably is toxic, from the ownership on down.

franco12 wrote:I just think he is in a funk, just like JR was in a funk.

You can see flashes He's- ocnothing elsecasionally during games, you'll see that Shump is trying to be aggressive, and attack the defense in transition.

I think he needs a change- like a different coach and different system. I'd like him to get it here, but when I think about him as a person, this environment probably is toxic, from the ownership on down.

No excuses.

The dude thinks he had arrived. He's given 30 mins a night to shine. He's had every opportunity. He has his opportunity to shoot, to drive and make plays. It comes down to the fact that he simply can't do it. You can't keep saying maybe Its the coach, the system, Melo not passing, no point guard.... you can't keep that song and dance up.

The knicks had ample opportunity to trade the dude especially with the presence of Jr Smith. We could have gotten Isiah Thomas or someone in that rookie Scale with real potential and need for us.

We should have sent him out for kyle lowry.

He should be moved and if he shines somewhere else, chalk it up to he was not fit for life at msg.

He sucks and is vastly overrated. With that said Knicks are a terrible organization to develop in. They trust vets and always have. That is why very few NYK players have developed to be greats in the league. There have been only two 20 point scorers Ewing and Lee. There has been two very good PGs Jackson and Strickland and if I'm not mistaken Jackson had some turbulent times as a Knick pg and same with Strickland they did majority of their damage with other teams.

When it is all said and done the Knicks do not know how to develop talent. Shump is going to go the way if the Stricklands and Jackson's. Better off going to another team.

Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

He played well down the stretch last year and in the playoffs.

Iman has looked good when he spots up for open looks. He is horrendous when trying to create. Defensively he's good, but overplays his man and takes too many risks. I believe he can be a solid rotation player in this league. Our coaching has failed to maximize his capabilities on offense, but blame has to go to him as well. Right now he should not be starting. I even think running with the 2nd team would be good for him because usually Pablo is on with that unit and he can find him in the corner.

Most of what I've read here SOUNDS like people are angry like they are management, becuz of the way Shumpert is playing now.

Dude didn't lose anything, he's just choosing not to play the pyramid scheme game here on the knicks , he's had it.

You saw him play games this year where he showed you he still got it, then he also showed you he doesn't have to play with fire and desire.

It's his choice to play this way, not Dolan, Woodson or Melo.

He's rebelling against the knicks system while under contract. I thought some of you knew basketball, this kid is angry with the knicks, just like Vince Carter was mad at Toronto.

It's the only way you make management pay attention to you while you are under contract. If he leaves or traded you will see the old Shumpert play the right way consistently.

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

Maybe the franchise is being run like an NBDL team, ever think of that.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

He played well down the stretch last year and in the playoffs.

Yellowboy, They ain't ready for the truth !

I think the issue with Shump is his attitude. Seems to me that he's similar - but not as bas as - Nate Robinson

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

He played well down the stretch last year and in the playoffs.

He played the best ball of his career in the playoffs last year

I hope the Knicks are patient with Shump. Maybe he won't be a star but could he become the next James Posey? I think so and a guy like that is a 10 year rotation player in the NBA

playa2 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

He played well down the stretch last year and in the playoffs.

Yellowboy, They ain't ready for the truth !

Maybe the truth is that he aint an NBA level player !
Yellowboy is talking about a 2 week stretch where Shumpert averaged 9 points a game on 41% shooting. Maybe he was less bad than now but so what?

SupremeCommander wrote:I think the issue with Shump is his attitude. Seems to me that he's similar - but not as bas as - Nate Robinson

Naw Nate has a little man syndrome, he's the little guy who gets drunk and then wants to fight everybody.

i wonder if it's tough for shump to get into a rhythm when he's sharing minutes Hardaway jr . not surprising for a young player. i think he might thrive in a different team though.