http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
he and westbrook need to tighten up their games. they have another season or two to do that before they are overpaid like melo is overpaid.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
Exactly.
At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway.
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
he and westbrook need to tighten up their games. they have another season or two to do that before they are overpaid like melo is overpaid.
Harden is super efficient in the regular season and has failed the last 2 playoffs with no PG (and shady shot selection)
Westbrook has been spotty during the regular season. He is also the PG so it would be nice if he was less of a chucker. And, he is a bad 3 point shooter.
Westbrook is the better defender by a lot.
Good chance westbrook gets traded this offseason and I hope that its not to us.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
Exactly.
At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway.
Thats not by choice, that is the max he can get and he will probably sign another max if he continues to have great regular seasons.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
Exactly.
At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway.
Thats not by choice, that is the max he can get and he will probably sign another max if he continues to have great regular seasons.
Choice doesn't matter though. It counts the same on the payroll as Tyson's salary.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
Exactly.
At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway.
Thats not by choice, that is the max he can get and he will probably sign another max if he continues to have great regular seasons.
Choice doesn't matter though. It counts the same on the payroll as Tyson's salary.
it doesn't ... but just curious ... if he was a FA this off season, how much do you think that he would get?
fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
Be careful comparing Harden and Melo on this site. Harden is a winner because he played in the finals. Melo is a loser because he didn't play in the finals. Doesn't matter that Harden played with Durant ( a player that is 2x better than anyone Melo has ever played with here or in Colorado) and Westbrook is also arguably better than anyone Melo played with. Don't bother presenting any circumstantial evidence because it will be ignored. Bottom line, Harden + Finals = Better than Melo...Deal with it
His defense was beyond awful all season
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
Exactly.
At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway.
Thats not by choice, that is the max he can get and he will probably sign another max if he continues to have great regular seasons.
Choice doesn't matter though. It counts the same on the payroll as Tyson's salary.
it does matter. You say he's being paid like Tyson so its OK, but he's a MAX player. Houston is paying him to be their #1 option. Thats why they traded for him and gave him a huge extension. When this contract is up he will be eligible for Melo-money.
But I dont really care about money. I care about the role. Harden is the lead scorer for the Rockets no? two playoffs in a row he has been pretty poor
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
Be careful comparing Harden and Melo on this site. Harden is a winner because he played in the finals. Melo is a loser because he didn't play in the finals. Doesn't matter that Harden played with Durant ( a player that is 2x better than anyone Melo has ever played with here or in Colorado) and Westbrook is also arguably better than anyone Melo played with. Don't bother presenting any circumstantial evidence because it will be ignored. Bottom line, Harden + Finals = Better than Melo...Deal with it
Quote for truth. This should be stickied and sent out to everyone in a mass PM.
LegendaryKnicks wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
Be careful comparing Harden and Melo on this site. Harden is a winner because he played in the finals. Melo is a loser because he didn't play in the finals. Doesn't matter that Harden played with Durant ( a player that is 2x better than anyone Melo has ever played with here or in Colorado) and Westbrook is also arguably better than anyone Melo played with. Don't bother presenting any circumstantial evidence because it will be ignored. Bottom line, Harden + Finals = Better than Melo...Deal with it
Quote for truth. This should be stickied and sent out to everyone in a mass PM.
haha... there are some who still talk hoops. You just have to wade through the muck.
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
Be careful comparing Harden and Melo on this site. Harden is a winner because he played in the finals. Melo is a loser because he didn't play in the finals. Doesn't matter that Harden played with Durant ( a player that is 2x better than anyone Melo has ever played with here or in Colorado) and Westbrook is also arguably better than anyone Melo played with. Don't bother presenting any circumstantial evidence because it will be ignored. Bottom line, Harden + Finals = Better than Melo...Deal with it
I would prefer harden. A lot younger and not much of a dropoff. He has a lot of years on Melo to fix the kinks in his game. Don't know why Michael was brought back unless they are trading harden and makin Dwight the focus
Didnt believe Harden deserved that big deal at the time because of his playoff performance with OKC. He still is a great regular season player but has yet to show that hes the man when the chips are down.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option.
Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG.
Exactly.
At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway.
Thats not by choice, that is the max he can get and he will probably sign another max if he continues to have great regular seasons.
Choice doesn't matter though. It counts the same on the payroll as Tyson's salary.
it doesn't ... but just curious ... if he was a FA this off season, how much do you think that he would get?
Oh I'm sure he'd get the max he could be offered.
Neither Harden nor Melo deserve to get the max. They are basically one way players that can score. Harden is a little more efficient but Melo is a little more talented. I don't want either player on this team though. I want superstars yes, but they need to pay above average defense, consistently.
gunsnewing wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...Look at the playoff stats...
Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role.
Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player?
Be careful comparing Harden and Melo on this site. Harden is a winner because he played in the finals. Melo is a loser because he didn't play in the finals. Doesn't matter that Harden played with Durant ( a player that is 2x better than anyone Melo has ever played with here or in Colorado) and Westbrook is also arguably better than anyone Melo played with. Don't bother presenting any circumstantial evidence because it will be ignored. Bottom line, Harden + Finals = Better than Melo...Deal with it
I would prefer harden. A lot younger and not much of a dropoff. He has a lot of years on Melo to fix the kinks in his game. Don't know why Michael was brought back unless they are trading harden and makin Dwight the focus
what they really need is a defensive wing player, and for harden to just work on his defense as well. They ran into a pretty good blazers team.. I think Mchale waited way too long to adjust to Aldridge and let him get off big in the first two games, and that killed them.. they are young, this was year one.... they have the assets to add the pieces they need...
tkf wrote:what they really need is a defensive wing player, and for harden to just work on his defense as well. They ran into a pretty good blazers team.. I think Mchale waited way too long to adjust to Aldridge and let him get off big in the first two games, and that killed them.. they are young, this was year one.... they have the assets to add the pieces they need...
McHale is extremely lucky to be back next season. You have Harden and Howard(and a ton of good pieces around them) you need to at least make it out of the first round with that duo.
