Knicks · What does the starting line-up/rotation look like today? (page 1)

PF Stoudemire, Bargnani, or smaller with Melo?

SF Melo, or smaller with Shump

SG Smith or Shump?

PG Obviously Calderon.

I am sort of lost on how this plays out if the season starts today? More moves are likely, but what do you think is the best and most likely lineup and rotation?

Bargs will have to beat Stat out to start. I don't see Fish starting either at C, no matter how inept Dalembert is offensively.
Melo has to start at the SF; 5 years is a long time. Time for Fish to start taking notes from the Popovich book of starphucque maintenance.
JR's year to completely grow up; he's got a staff now that doesn't appear interested in dealing with people's sheehit. Shump's health and shot are still suspect until proven otherwise, and JR is the slasher in the backcourt that Shump isn't yet.

Man, is this an upgrade at PG or what? Calderon with Prigs as first off the bench. Brains and shot selection. Please Fish, get Prigs to shoot ten thousand shots a day in practice.

The yoots having the summer league they are are going to be miles ahead of the rest of this group to start. Which isn't a bad thing, is it?

Amare is not a good passer and though he talks alot, he really has a low basketball IQ, but a high confidence in himself. He could be a Horace Grant, but Amare has no interest in rebounding or playing defense or mixing it up in the paint. He's a finisher right now but he's not 21 years old anymore.

Bargs has no interest in rebounding either or help defending. He has slow reactions in that regard. He is a solid offensive player all around though.

I think everyone else fits in well. I have no idea what we're going to do going forward. Fish is going to have to Raab his money.

I'd go with
Calderone
Jr
Melo
Amare
Dalembart

Hardaway first off the bench.
Shump, bargs and smith rounding out our top 9.

Shumpert, to compensate for Calderon on defense

Melo, "because he's Melo"

Bargnani, for his sight lines and passing ability

Jason Smith, for floor spacing and rebounding

misterearl wrote:Calderon, to run things

Shumpert, to compensate for Calderon on defense

Melo, "because he's Melo"

Bargnani, for his sight lines and passing ability

Jason Smith, for floor spacing and rebounding

Probably

C-Dalembart

F Bargnani or Amare

F Melo

G/F Smith

G Jose C

Then you can go in with Cole A and either Amare or Brags as back ups. Shumpert is not starting NBA material that I have seen.

GustavBahler wrote:Aside from Melo, I think a lot of this will be decided in camp. Which players get the triangle and play D. Might be some surprises ahead.

This is what I hope to see, start whoever is getting it and playing well in the system. Melo, Calderon are obviously automatically starting, and probably Dalembert as well. Between Stat/Bargs as starter, it should come down to camp, same with the SG choice.

gunsnewing wrote:Yikes that's some bad defense dk

yep.

dk7th wrote:Aldrich-- Dalembert is the past
Bargnani-- he is efficient from midrange and has to be a better passer than Stat
Shouldergate <meh-lo>
Calderon
Whoever is the best defender among SG

I'm surprised you even think Melo should start, haha.

I'm thinking amare, bargs, melo, jr and Calderone.

Dantoni is cringing in his grave

Shame

For start...

Sal-dal
Bargain
Melo
Tj
Jose

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:Aldrich-- Dalembert is the past
Bargnani-- he is efficient from midrange and has to be a better passer than Stat
Shouldergate <meh-lo>
Calderon
Whoever is the best defender among SG

I'm surprised you even think Melo should start, haha.

i don't like his game and he is disgustingly overpaid but the triangle is his opportunity to be more than a zero-sum jayvee player come playoff time and it's always about the playoffs.

BRIGGS wrote:

misterearl wrote:Calderon, to run things

Shumpert, to compensate for Calderon on defense

Melo, "because he's Melo"

Bargnani, for his sight lines and passing ability

Jason Smith, for floor spacing and rebounding

Probably

C-Dalembart

F Bargnani or Amare

F Melo

G/F Smith

G Jose C

Then you can go in with Cole A and either Amare or Brags as back ups. Shumpert is not starting NBA material that I have seen.

our 2 2nd round picks in

1- Early, a SF as of now, but in the future can possibly be a SF/PF but is a backup SF as of now
2- Tenacious (very surprised we didn't offer him a 3 year deal, using part of the MLE, I like Jason Smith but feel we can easily get a caliber of his play for about 2.5m, even the vet min)
He provides much energy with his athleticism/length/strength/defensive intensity, his ability to play both SG/SF, however, his contract is only for 2 years at the 51st pick, so without using an exemption to we cannot lock him to a 3 year deal, making him likely to go oversea's or D league

other contracts include

3- Jeremy Tyler as a team option, like JR Smith, he has all the potential in the world but lacks WORK ETHIC
4- Pablo who is NOT part of our future plans but plays a veteran role on the bench that could also help Larkin develop
Think we should have cut ties and bought out Pablo, paying him this years contract but him forgoing his 3rd year, while giving him a job as a scout or something to make up for it
Does Pablo even what to go through another 82 game season for 2 more years at his age, can his body and age allow him to do so?

5- Our clutter at SG with

JR Smith
Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway JR's development
Ellington
Brown can contribute for his knowledge of the triangle as a player/coach but he seems to be an easy target to cut roster spots

6- Are we going to do anything with our PF/C clutter now with the addition of Jason Smith

Centers
Dalembert/Cole Aldrich

PF/C with many preferably at C

AB
STAT
Jason Smith
Kmart *we have his early bird rights and have leverage to him to offer him a unguaranteed/partial guaranteed for 1st year that can easily become a trade bait if his contract is structured accordingly in the deadline and beyond this season to match future contracts*

There are many ways I feel we could have better utilized vet min contracts/roster spots and the 3.3m MLE

With Bayless/Sessions upgrading our PG/SG while only Larkin has the only real ability to penetrate/facilitate/ and hit the wide open 3pter

With Buck's, we could have offered a combination of our players to go after

Ilyasova
Jeff Adrien *signed a vet min contract to Houston*
Both what have played a role/position that we need, while Devin Ebank's is still a FA

Sessions
Edoh *playing Jason Smith's/Kmart's/Tyler's role*

For some reason I think Phil Jackson still has at least one more move in a trade coming to reinvent our roster that is in the works, some that would free up roster spots as well

Jermaine Oneil
Dejuan Blair

Dante Cunningham

the above seems to hold more value than the vet min but could they come to NYK at a discount?

Devin Ebanks

Darrius Morris

are some players that I feel can help us,

IronWillGiroud wrote:It took philjax a few weeks to do what knicks was not able to do for last 15 years--- bring in a real point guard.

Dantoni is cringing in his grave

This is like a Derek Harper, doc rivers pick up, PG's that are good, but we should have gotten 4 yrs ago

knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:It took philjax a few weeks to do what knicks was not able to do for last 15 years--- bring in a real point guard.

Dantoni is cringing in his grave

This is like a Derek Harper, doc rivers pick up, PG's that are good, but we should have gotten 4 yrs ago

In a way, but just remember that in the Triangle you really don't need a great PG. You need a guard that can pass, shoot and make smart decisions. IF they can cover for his lack of D, Calderon will be great for this team.
We can always go big for defense with Shump at PG since he won't have to do much actual PG stuff.