Knicks · Article from Raptors blog mostly about Calderon (page 1)

I am not able to copy it but here is the link.
http://www.raptorshq.com/2014/8/4/596526...

Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

Pretty positive stuff but the guy backed it up.

To emphasize how good he was, I'll introduce you to an instrument called ShotScores. Kirk Goldsberry of Grantland.com, writes that Jose has the fourth best ShotScore during the 2013-2014 NBA season. He sits only behind dominant players Steph Curry, Kevin Durant and LeBron James.

If that doesn't sound good enough, Jose is the best among top 10 outside shooters Per 100 Shot Attempts. Impressive no doubt however Goldsberry writes that although Calderon is a fantastic shooter, it doesn't necessarily mean he is the best shooter in the league. The NBA is not a catch-and-shoot league. Players have to also create their own shots. Some players thrive in different scenarios such a Steve Novak -- catch-and-shoot -- while other players such as Curry, Dirk Nowitzki and Durant are able to create off the dribble.

A fantastic shooter no doubt, Calderon also made history, as he became one of 11 players to become part of the 40/50/90 club. For those who don't know, this exclusive club is for players who've shot a field goal percentage of 50% or over, a three-point field goal percentage of 40% or over and a free throw percentage of 90% or more.

Just had to pause reading that article to post Calderon's most recent shot chart (last season w/ Dallas). Truly, a thing of beauty:

This is why we should be kissing Phil's rings. We gave up Tyson and Felton...TYSON and FELTON for this guy and other assets. Jose is so much better than Felton that it's not even worth any kind of argument about that. If all of you PJax doubters want to see just how much of an improvement at the PG spot he made then just look at the PG rankings. The difference between Jose and Felton is STARK!!! And this was with Jose sharing the ball with Ellis. His assists would've been higher no doubt.

POINT GUARDS 2014
	                       	
PLAYER                          RATING  GP	MPG	PPG	RPG	APG	FG %	FT %
1. Stephen Curry, GS	        91.01	78	36.5	24.0	4.3	8.5	47.1	88.5
2. John Wall, WAS	        85.75	82	36.3	19.3	4.1	8.8	43.3	80.5
3. Damian Lillard, POR	        83.88	82	35.8	20.7	3.5	5.6	42.4	87.1
4. Kyle Lowry, TOR	        82.66	79	36.2	17.9	4.7	7.4	42.3	81.3
5. Goran Dragic, PHO	        82.20	76	35.1	20.3	3.2	5.9	50.5	76.0
6. Monta Ellis, DAL	        82.17	82	36.9	19.0	3.6	5.7	45.1	78.8
7. Kyrie Irving, CLE	        79.33	71	35.2	20.8	3.6	6.1	43.0	86.1
8. Isaiah Thomas, SAC	        77.10	72	34.7	20.3	2.9	6.3	45.3	85.0
9. Kemba Walker, CHA	        76.92	73	35.8	17.7	4.2	6.1	39.3	83.7
10. Chris Paul, LAC	        76.63	62	35.0	19.1	4.3	10.7	46.7	85.5
11. Jeff Teague, ATL	        76.61	79	32.2	16.5	2.6	6.7	43.8	84.6
12. Brandon Jennings, DET	75.73	80	34.1	15.5	3.0	7.6	37.3	75.1
13. Mike Conley, MEM	        75.63	73	33.5	17.2	2.9	6.0	45.0	81.5
14. M Carter-Williams, PHI 	74.54	70	34.5	16.7	6.2	6.3	40.5	70.3
15. Ricky Rubio, MIN	        74.05	82	32.2	9.5	4.2	8.6	38.1	80.2
16. Brandon Knight, MIL	        73.05	72	33.3	17.9	3.5	4.9	42.2	80.2
17. Reggie Jackson, OKC	        72.15	80	28.5	13.1	3.9	4.1	44.0	89.3
18. Jose Calderon, DAL	        71.64	81	30.5	11.4	2.4	4.7	45.6	82.5
19. Randy Foye, DEN	        71.06	81	30.7	13.2	2.9	3.5	41.3	84.9
20. Ty Lawson, DEN	        70.42	62	35.8	17.6	3.5	8.8	43.1	79.8
21. George Hill, IND	        69.64	76	32.0	10.3	3.7	3.5	44.2	80.7
22. Alec Burks, UTA	        69.58	78	28.1	14.0	3.3	2.7	45.7	74.8
23. Tony Parker, SA	        69.42	68	29.4	16.7	2.3	5.7	49.9	81.1
24. Tyreke Evans, NO	        68.61	72	28.2	14.5	4.7	5.0	43.6	77.1
25. Darren Collison, LAC	68.17	80	25.9	11.4	2.4	3.7	46.7	85.7
26. Ramon Sessions, MIL	        67.88	83	26.7	12.3	2.4	4.1	42.9	80.7
27. Trey Burke, UTA (Rookie)	67.28	70	32.3	12.8	3.0	5.7	38.0	90.3
28. Jameer Nelson, ORL	        66.59	68	32.0	12.1	3.4	7.0	39.4	85.7
29. Jarrett Jack, CLE	        66.01	80	28.2	9.5	2.8	4.0	41.0	83.9
30. Mario Chalmers, MIA	        64.69	73	29.8	9.8	2.9	4.9	45.4	74.2
31. Deron Williams, BKN	        64.52	64	32.2	14.3	2.6	6.1	45.0	80.1
32. Jeremy Lin, HOU	        64.46	71	28.9	12.5	2.6	4.1	44.6	82.3
33. D.J. Augustin, CHI	        64.05	71	27.3	13.1	1.8	4.4	41.5	88.5
34. Shaun Livingston, BKN	63.47	76	26.0	8.3	3.2	3.2	48.3	82.7
35. Rodney Stuckey, DET	        62.81	73	26.7	13.9	2.3	2.1	43.6	83.6
36. Greivis Vasquez, TOR	62.59	79	22.5	9.6	2.2	4.1	42.1	88.0
37. Patty Mills, SA	        62.53	81	18.9	10.2	2.1	1.8	46.4	89.0
38. Mo Williams, POR	        62.30	74	24.8	9.7	2.1	4.3	41.7	87.6
39. Kirk Hinrich, CHI	        61.09	73	29.0	9.1	2.6	3.9	39.3	76.0
40. Norris Cole, MIA	        59.70	82	24.6	6.4	2.0	3.0	41.4	77.9
41. Avery Bradley, BOS	        58.50	60	30.9	14.8	3.8	1.4	43.8	80.4
42. Brian Roberts, NO	        58.27	72	23.2	9.4	1.9	3.2	42.0	94.0
43. Raymond Felton, NY	        57.77	65	31.0	9.7	3.0	5.6	39.5	72.1

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

Does he have a weak left hand? Not necessarily the most familiar withhis team, considering the crappy teams he's played on

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

So $9-10mil Calderon is an awful empty stat loser point guard but $7.5mil he's all world.

Thanks for confirmation

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

So $9-10mil Calderon is an awful empty stat loser point guard but $7.5mil he's all world.

Thanks for confirmation

you remind us daily... no need to thank me for confirming. Typical thinking by some on this board. A guy cant simply fit OK. He's got to be all world or an empty stat loser. Not sure your aware but there is a middle ground.

I don't get it. We traded a bottom 40 PG for a top 20 PG. What's the issue here? We had a PG who wasn't reliable shooting or decision making. Now we have a PG who takes care of the ball, can shoot and makes sound decisions with the ball. Where is the real issue with that improvement? Felton couldn't defend and neither can Jose, but EVERYTHING else is a vast improvement. ON top of all that Jose is an excellent PnR/P PG. He should be an excellent fit for the Triangle where you want a guard that can shoot the 3 and setup his teammates in the 2 man game. I'm excited to see how things work out this year.

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

So $9-10mil Calderon is an awful empty stat loser point guard but $7.5mil he's all world.

Thanks for confirmation

you remind us daily... no need to thank me for confirming. Typical thinking by some on this board. A guy cant simply fit OK. He's got to be all world or an empty stat loser. Not sure your aware but there is a middle ground.

You know what Felton was once that guy

I wonder why Dallas would give him up.

Last time they gave up a guy that we went all in on was Tyson. That was really really really dumb.

nixluva wrote:I don't get it. We traded a bottom 40 PG for a top 20 PG. What's the issue here? We had a PG who wasn't reliable shooting or decision making. Now we have a PG who takes care of the ball, can shoot and makes sound decisions with the ball. Where is the real issue with that improvement? Felton couldn't defend and neither can Jose, but EVERYTHING else is a vast improvement. ON top of all that Jose is an excellent PnR/P PG. He should be an excellent fit for the Triangle where you want a guard that can shoot the 3 and setup his teammates in the 2 man game. I'm excited to see how things work out this year.

Not to mention that Jose just might revive the killer Bargs we experienced occassionally when he was healthy with the cRaptors, and pump up that trade value. Big hope, I know.

It's doom and gloom for the Pointedly Disappointed with Melo crowd. This will spill over to anything and everything.

mreinman wrote:I wonder why Dallas would give him up.

Last time they gave up a guy that we went all in on was Tyson. That was really really really dumb.

They wanted Tyson back really really really bad////

The same way we wanted Felton back when Lin left

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:I wonder why Dallas would give him up.

Last time they gave up a guy that we went all in on was Tyson. That was really really really dumb.

They wanted Tyson back really really really bad////

The same way we wanted Felton back when Lin left

Only problem is Dallas thinks Tyson is the piece to get them back to the finals... We were going to sign Felton to a sub MLE contract. Instead we did a sign and trade for Felton and Kurt Thomas for guys who have never played in the league again.

Also Felton deal happened before Lin signed. More evidence that the Knicks simply didnt want him.

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

So $9-10mil Calderon is an awful empty stat loser point guard but $7.5mil he's all world.

Thanks for confirmation

you remind us daily... no need to thank me for confirming. Typical thinking by some on this board. A guy cant simply fit OK. He's got to be all world or an empty stat loser. Not sure your aware but there is a middle ground.

You know what Felton was once that guy

when was that?

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:I wonder why Dallas would give him up.

Last time they gave up a guy that we went all in on was Tyson. That was really really really dumb.

They wanted Tyson back really really really bad////

The same way we wanted Felton back when Lin left

Only problem is Dallas thinks Tyson is the piece to get them back to the finals... We were going to sign Felton to a sub MLE contract. Instead we did a sign and trade for Felton and Kurt Thomas for guys who have never played in the league again.

Also Felton deal happened before Lin signed. More evidence that the Knicks simply didnt want him.

Dallas has stronger data and evidence to support making the move.

Winning 50gms on average past 12yrs no matter who they put around Dirk

We don't have a Dirk type of talent

One season in which they won a chip, with Tyson.

It's a low risk high reward move for them, Tyson is an expiring contract

Having players like Parsons-Ellis-AlFarou-Johnson surely equates to what they had when they won it all.

They'll have cap space again next year, if it doesn't work

What evidence did we have bringing Felton back in a trash year paying him near MLE money.

As we see it didn't work, we were never serious contenders with him

knicks1248 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

So $9-10mil Calderon is an awful empty stat loser point guard but $7.5mil he's all world.

Thanks for confirmation

you remind us daily... no need to thank me for confirming. Typical thinking by some on this board. A guy cant simply fit OK. He's got to be all world or an empty stat loser. Not sure your aware but there is a middle ground.

You know what Felton was once that guy

when was that?

So from 2010-2011 back to reacquiring Felton he never at any time was a middle ground point guard?

You never liked him since day 1 putting on this jersey

You never defended his play?

Was he ever a Ray of Hope

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:I wonder why Dallas would give him up.

Last time they gave up a guy that we went all in on was Tyson. That was really really really dumb.

They wanted Tyson back really really really bad////

The same way we wanted Felton back when Lin left

they did not pay the fukked up price that we paid.

F500ONE wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Astounding Calderon is only making $7.5mil/yr!

I wonder if we would've made the trade//// say he was getting paid $12mil/yr

Based on how good he is according to this article

yea well he's not Thadeus Young but the Knicks did need a PG.

So $9-10mil Calderon is an awful empty stat loser point guard but $7.5mil he's all world.

Thanks for confirmation

you remind us daily... no need to thank me for confirming. Typical thinking by some on this board. A guy cant simply fit OK. He's got to be all world or an empty stat loser. Not sure your aware but there is a middle ground.

You know what Felton was once that guy

when was that?

So from 2010-2011 back to reacquiring Felton he never at any time was a middle ground point guard?

You never liked him since day 1 putting on this jersey

You never defended his play?

Was he ever a Ray of Hope

I have always disliked him but many who did have the right to have jumped ship. He always sucked but he has gotten worse and worse.

Felton had his moments. What we really saw the last 2 years was that with Kidd or Prigs Felton was OK. He simply couldn't hold down the floor leader role we needed. It was clear as day that when Felton had a good game it changed the way this team performed, but too often he was unable to play at a high enough level. Phil was able to sit and watch the team floor chemistry, learn about the locker room issues and ascertain just what was wrong with the team. With what Phil has done we should get much more consistent play at the PG spot.

I was very irritated with how Felton would often freeze out Bargs or STAT even when it was clear they were going good. A PG like Jose will know how to spread the ball around and feed the hot man as well. Jose just has a more natural feel for the game and how to run a team. Not that he's gonna be handling the ball like a Steve Nash, cuz that's not what happens in the Triangle. However when the PG does have the ball you want to know you can trust his decision making.