Knicks · So Are Jose and Iman Myths? (page 1)

The reason I pick these 2 players

They were supposedly the 2 most promising difference makers

To turn a borderline 37 win team into a 50 win team

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Chumpert hey his play never passed the eye nor stat sheet test with me

Simply a puke all your acid out of your stomach type of player

Which one of them becomes legendary

I told you all that Shump could not keep the early production up. He got all of his points minus Carlderon in the lineup. Upon Calderon's return he is no longer asked to dominate the ball, so that messed up his rythm. Giving the greenlight he is given by fisher, this dude really should be called on for more points and rebounds. He is by far the only guard who has gotten consistent minutes under Fisher

F500ONE wrote:The reason I pick these 2 players

They were supposedly the 2 most promising difference makers

To turn a borderline 37 win team into a 50 win team

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Chumpert hey his play never passed the eye nor stat sheet test with me

Simply a puke all your acid out of your stomach type of player

Which one of them becomes legendary

Yes they a players of mythical proportions!!!

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:The reason I pick these 2 players

They were supposedly the 2 most promising difference makers

To turn a borderline 37 win team into a 50 win team

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Chumpert hey his play never passed the eye nor stat sheet test with me

Simply a puke all your acid out of your stomach type of player

Which one of them becomes legendary

you sir are a jeanyus

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:The reason I pick these 2 players

They were supposedly the 2 most promising difference makers

To turn a borderline 37 win team into a 50 win team

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Chumpert hey his play never passed the eye nor stat sheet test with me

Simply a puke all your acid out of your stomach type of player

Which one of them becomes legendary

you sir are a jeanyus

They turned a 37 win team into a 22 win team!

So we're judging Calderon now when he clearly isn't up to speed after missing a month. Brilliant. Keep up the excellent analysis and Dolan esq patience Knick fans!

F500ONE wrote:

To turn a borderline 37 win team into a 50 win team

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

This is the most feeble bit of reasoning I've read in a while. We're back to the old 'facts don't count!'.

smackeddog wrote:So we're judging Calderon now when he clearly isn't up to speed after missing a month. Brilliant. Keep up the excellent analysis and Dolan esq patience Knick fans!

I wasn't being serious there. The downgrade is probably mostly the loss of Tyson and maybe slightly the coaching change.

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

CrushAlot wrote:

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

injuries happen so i dont blame him for that. However personally i have never been a big calderon fan. Like his shooting but i dotn think he is a pg who will make a huge difference

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

injuries happen so i dont blame him for that. However personally i have never been a big calderon fan. Like his shooting but i dotn think he is a pg who will make a huge difference

Calderon is absolutely a difference maker but the problem is we need him to be our 2nd best player and that shouldn't be the case. But he's a great role player.

actually looking at this team I think Phil has it right. Calderon and Melo are the only keepers. Everyone else is gone. Hopefully it doesnt cost us anything to purge JR.

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

injuries happen so i dont blame him for that. However personally i have never been a big calderon fan. Like his shooting but i dotn think he is a pg who will make a huge difference

Calderon is absolutely a difference maker but the problem is we need him to be our 2nd best player and that shouldn't be the case. But he's a great role player.

But this is what happens when you go all in on one player and without draft picks

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

injuries happen so i dont blame him for that. However personally i have never been a big calderon fan. Like his shooting but i dotn think he is a pg who will make a huge difference

Calderon is absolutely a difference maker but the problem is we need him to be our 2nd best player and that shouldn't be the case. But he's a great role player.

Nothing in his career suggest that he's been this

We have him back now and we're not playing better

He's been ultra subpar, okay chalk it up to being behind

The rest of the league near 20gms in

What player does he make better on our team

Does our offense look better

Are we still getting ate up in the back court

Jose is not a building block. He's a medium-term rental, a place marker for the PG position should the Knicks ever snap out of their PG purgatory mind funkadunk and get a quality PG who could be around for a while.

Jose can't fix stupid. It's not a smart collection of players. And Jose can't do much to help already spotty to horrid D. He's not going to save this team.

He looks overpriced now, probably a bad move now since we have to tank to save the franchise. Would have been just as happy rolling this season with World Class Pablo, crack baby and a cheap FA PG.

My original assumption was he was hired to teach our team how to play the triangle, but that doesn't compute any longer. Too many dummies and pigheads to teach.

He's OK. Not special and definitely not a game changer. We'll keep losing.

F500ONE wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

injuries happen so i dont blame him for that. However personally i have never been a big calderon fan. Like his shooting but i dotn think he is a pg who will make a huge difference

Calderon is absolutely a difference maker but the problem is we need him to be our 2nd best player and that shouldn't be the case. But he's a great role player.

Nothing in his career suggest that he's been this

We have him back now and we're not playing better

He's been ultra subpar, okay chalk it up to being behind

The rest of the league near 20gms in

What player does he make better on our team

Does our offense look better

Are we still getting ate up in the back court

I agree with that. If you can be fully replaced by Jameer Nelson and Devin Harris and the team's offense is actually better now, what does that say?

Splat wrote:Felton is not a building block. He's a medium-term rental, a place marker for the PG position should the Knicks ever snap out of their PG purgatory mind funkadunk and get a quality PG who could be around for a while.

Felton can't fix stupid. It's not a smart collection of players. And Felton can't do much to help already spotty to horrid D. He's not going to save this team.

Would have been just as happy rolling this season with World Class Pablo, crack baby and a cheaper PG Felton.

Too many dummies and pigheads to teach.

Felton plays hard but he's special and definitely not a game changer. We'll keep losing.

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

You could argue Jose hasn't been healthy but it's not a valid excuse

As we needed him to be ready day 1

Awesome.
One guy is an 11 year pro who is a member of the 50-40-90 club and he starts off the year hurt and now he is a myth because he got hurt at the start of the season?

injuries happen so i dont blame him for that. However personally i have never been a big calderon fan. Like his shooting but i dotn think he is a pg who will make a huge difference

Calderon is absolutely a difference maker but the problem is we need him to be our 2nd best player and that shouldn't be the case. But he's a great role player.

Nothing in his career suggest that he's been this

We have him back now and we're not playing better

He's been ultra subpar, okay chalk it up to being behind

The rest of the league near 20gms in

What player does he make better on our team

Does our offense look better

Are we still getting ate up in the back court

I agree with that. If you can be fully replaced by Jameer Nelson and Devin Harris and the team's offense is actually better now, what does that say?

Quite possibly maybe one of the most over sold Knick ever

And no disrespect to Jose, I like him but he's not that guy

ONe week back and the expectations are not met.
Maybe the problem is a fans expectations and perceptions.

Priggy is 37 and a nice solid 6-4 guy with a limited offensive skill set. Good guy, and if on the Spurs we'd be singing his praise.
Year 4 and this is Shump. Read his draft report, its spot on. Players are risks and some times they turn into DWade, and sometimes they are Ray Williams. Great athletic tools but sometmes they don't break out.

Melo is an all star on a very bad team. FluTyson is missed on defense. He sucked last year and we frustrated with Woodson. Moving on. Nobody we replaced is better than he was. Calderon is not in the rhythem of the triangle and it will take time. We'll lose lots more games.

My expectations were "its a tank job". THis was week one. Im ok with this team. Melo, THjr and Wear are the keepers. The rest are trade fodder or expirings.
Phil might be able to do miricles but this is the season we needed to take a beating and let contracts expire and get a solid draft pick.

Fans don't have a say but to boo. With Phil at the helm there is a vision. 10 years ago when the garden booed Chaney and the knicks post McDyss the panic ensued and Isiah was bought in to Leverage into a disaster.
This season of loss needs to happen.

If calderone performs, trade him.
If Bargs comes back strong, trade him.
If come trade deadline Stat can take a team over the top and we can get a pick, trade him.

If not, let those expire. If Shump is not deemed to be fit for trianglulation, say buh-bye. Not sure what his value is, he might be china bound for all we know.
Last year we might have been able to move him, but this year who knows. We don't.

THjr might be struggling because the new system does not come easy. Might say the same for most of our guys. If this is the case, so be it.
This is why teams don't employ it, they don't have patience or the forethought to rebuild with a system. IF this is our plan, so be it.

Maybe my take is the myth?