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crzymdups wrote:Briggs has waaaaay many posts invested in Crabbe to look at logic at this point. Make much more sense to marry yourself to bit player with 3/4 of one decent season than get a guy that immediately improves your team and the players on it. Crabbe may get better, but paying him what Briggs suggests is one of the worst bets Ive seen floating around hereBRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:So if we give Conley 21 mm ( which I'm totally against) and D will the Mle that's the teamKnicks have $33M in cap space.
The MLE is $12M now?
Also, Conley would absolutely make this team a playoffs team.
And we can still stretch Jose or he comes off the cap in 2017 when the cap also rises another $20M to $110M. So we'd have $12M this summer to either re-sign DWill or add a shooting guard.
$12M more in FA money
Conley / Grant / Wroten
Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP
Rolo / HernangomezThen next summer we have a 2017 first rounder + $25M in cap room next season to add to that.
It may not be the best plan in the world, but it's not terrible either.
And, yes, the Blazers will match Crabbe.
I find it hilarious that you advocate giving Crabbe $17M and Seth Curry $11M for a total of $28M, neither are proven, signing both would mean we lose DWill.
But when it comes to signing proven near all-star two-way PG Mike Conley 28 years old to $21M which would allow us to re-sign DWill and add a SG as well... then it's too much money.
I said Crabbe 14 mm and Curry 8 mm mle. That would allow us to resign d will and 2-3 draft pick/ udfa. I'm not big on resigning Galloway at 3-4 mm I think we can get his from a draft pick. Also I want to wait and see draft night to se what we may get. I've felt that way the whole time. Let's see what happens tomorrow and then we can focus on fa
I thought you said 4yr/$44M for Curry and 4yr/$70M or something for Crabbe.
Either way - you are investing say ~$22M+ in Crabbe/Curry vs ~$22M in Conley. I agree with you Crabbe is a good bet to eventually become a solid player. But he's not a complete player. He's a shooter, maybe Klay Thompson lite on offense, without the D. Seth Curry is a complete gamble. More of a gamble than Lin was in 2012. And you're talking about giving him $8M and more for 4 years. That's a huge risk.
Also, both Crabbe and Curry are RFA - so we could get them to sign offer sheets, tie up our cap space and then all the other FA sign and we lose out completely if Portland and Sacramento match. SAC is letting Rondo go, how do we know they don't match on Curry? They have three days to evaluate the market, realize that they can't do better and match. Same with Portland and Crabbe.
Conley agrees to sign here and we get him and he's a young vet at 28 who has proven he can play at the highest levels of NBA playoffs basketball. He's a complete PG with no holes in his game who would be a perfect fit next to Melo and KP. His contract and career development syncs up with Melo and Rolo - he's similar age and he'd be signed for one more year than those two. It'd be ideal. Melo is not going anywhere and wants to win - this is a good move. And it helps KP's development, too. I dunno, I'm for it.
I'd rather invest $22M in a sure thing, rather than two question marks.
I'm not too scared of losing DWill - I kind of agree that we can get the production he gave us from someone like Anthony Bennett or another cheaper FA. DWill had some beautiful dunks, but shot mediocre from 3pt land and he's a bad defender. If he's back, I'm on board. But if he goes somewhere else for a big pay day, I don't shed too many tears.
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
Yeah, but we're talking about building a TEAM, not building a two-man team, building a five-man team (really a ten-twelve man team).
No, Melo is not as good as Lebron (who is? no one in the league). Conley isn't as good as Kyrie, but maybe he can guard him and slow him down.
Also we know that Kevin Love cannot contain KP. KP in his rookie season DESTROYED Kevin Love - absolutely DOMINATED HIM. In his rookie season.
It's about building a team.
Conley fits the team. I don't even know that he'll come here. He might go to the Spurs or Pacers or stay home in Memphis.
But if we have the chance to sign him, I'd do it.
Youre right--but Id rather build the team for the longer term with Jerian Grant perhaps another draft pick this year or next or free agency. I DO NOT want to marry Mike Conley.
BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
you want to take on horrible rose and give them a pick?
mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
you want to take on horrible rose and give them a pick?
Id take Rose for a year and give them Calderon and something that either will convey past 20 or turns into 2 somewhere around 2021. Im not overly worried about 2016-2017. Im not married to Rose Im developing Grant Wroten and maybe a pick and let Rose drive it for a year.
fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:Briggs has waaaaay many posts invested in Crabbe to look at logic at this point. Make much more sense to marry yourself to bit player with 3/4 of one decent season than get a guy that immediately improves your team and the players on it. Crabbe may get better, but paying him what Briggs suggests is one of the worst bets Ive seen floating around hereBRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:So if we give Conley 21 mm ( which I'm totally against) and D will the Mle that's the teamKnicks have $33M in cap space.
The MLE is $12M now?
Also, Conley would absolutely make this team a playoffs team.
And we can still stretch Jose or he comes off the cap in 2017 when the cap also rises another $20M to $110M. So we'd have $12M this summer to either re-sign DWill or add a shooting guard.
$12M more in FA money
Conley / Grant / Wroten
Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP
Rolo / HernangomezThen next summer we have a 2017 first rounder + $25M in cap room next season to add to that.
It may not be the best plan in the world, but it's not terrible either.
And, yes, the Blazers will match Crabbe.
I find it hilarious that you advocate giving Crabbe $17M and Seth Curry $11M for a total of $28M, neither are proven, signing both would mean we lose DWill.
But when it comes to signing proven near all-star two-way PG Mike Conley 28 years old to $21M which would allow us to re-sign DWill and add a SG as well... then it's too much money.
I said Crabbe 14 mm and Curry 8 mm mle. That would allow us to resign d will and 2-3 draft pick/ udfa. I'm not big on resigning Galloway at 3-4 mm I think we can get his from a draft pick. Also I want to wait and see draft night to se what we may get. I've felt that way the whole time. Let's see what happens tomorrow and then we can focus on fa
I thought you said 4yr/$44M for Curry and 4yr/$70M or something for Crabbe.
Either way - you are investing say ~$22M+ in Crabbe/Curry vs ~$22M in Conley. I agree with you Crabbe is a good bet to eventually become a solid player. But he's not a complete player. He's a shooter, maybe Klay Thompson lite on offense, without the D. Seth Curry is a complete gamble. More of a gamble than Lin was in 2012. And you're talking about giving him $8M and more for 4 years. That's a huge risk.
Also, both Crabbe and Curry are RFA - so we could get them to sign offer sheets, tie up our cap space and then all the other FA sign and we lose out completely if Portland and Sacramento match. SAC is letting Rondo go, how do we know they don't match on Curry? They have three days to evaluate the market, realize that they can't do better and match. Same with Portland and Crabbe.
Conley agrees to sign here and we get him and he's a young vet at 28 who has proven he can play at the highest levels of NBA playoffs basketball. He's a complete PG with no holes in his game who would be a perfect fit next to Melo and KP. His contract and career development syncs up with Melo and Rolo - he's similar age and he'd be signed for one more year than those two. It'd be ideal. Melo is not going anywhere and wants to win - this is a good move. And it helps KP's development, too. I dunno, I'm for it.
I'd rather invest $22M in a sure thing, rather than two question marks.
I'm not too scared of losing DWill - I kind of agree that we can get the production he gave us from someone like Anthony Bennett or another cheaper FA. DWill had some beautiful dunks, but shot mediocre from 3pt land and he's a bad defender. If he's back, I'm on board. But if he goes somewhere else for a big pay day, I don't shed too many tears.
I like Crabbe--I like his size hes athletic he can shoot--he showed what he can do when it counts in the playoffs. he doesnt get the FGAs on a team with Lillard and CJ. I also like Curry but Im a Crabbe guy. UNLESS trade changes our complexion--that would likely be my number 1 target Im willing to pay Crabbe between 14-17mm to get a contract done that Portland wont match.
BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
you want to take on horrible rose and give them a pick?
Id take Rose for a year and give them Calderon and something that either will convey past 20 or turns into 2 somewhere around 2021. Im not overly worried about 2016-2017. Im not married to Rose Im developing Grant Wroten and maybe a pick and let Rose drive it for a year.
why would you give up a pick for rose in the 20's and take on his contract? what is in it for us? He is a bad bad player.
mreinman wrote:It s an option I need to see draft night--all of this stuff is pre mature-we have ZERO idea what we will have. My priority in free agency is Allan Crabbe. Everything else is "chatter" to me. Id offer Crabbe 4 years 65 mm. That way IF we want we can bring back D Will for a 4 year contract. OR we could fit Rondo into a 2 year 28mm$ contract with a player option year 2. Lets wait and see. Mike Conley for 4 years 92mm no.BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
you want to take on horrible rose and give them a pick?
Id take Rose for a year and give them Calderon and something that either will convey past 20 or turns into 2 somewhere around 2021. Im not overly worried about 2016-2017. Im not married to Rose Im developing Grant Wroten and maybe a pick and let Rose drive it for a year.
why would you give up a pick for rose in the 20's and take on his contract? what is in it for us? He is a bad bad player.
BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:It s an option I need to see draft night--all of this stuff is pre mature-we have ZERO idea what we will have. My priority in free agency is Allan Crabbe. Everything else is "chatter" to me. Id offer Crabbe 4 years 65 mm. That way IF we want we can bring back D Will for a 4 year contract. OR we could fit Rondo into a 2 year 28mm$ contract with a player option year 2. Lets wait and see. Mike Conley for 4 years 92mm no.BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
you want to take on horrible rose and give them a pick?
Id take Rose for a year and give them Calderon and something that either will convey past 20 or turns into 2 somewhere around 2021. Im not overly worried about 2016-2017. Im not married to Rose Im developing Grant Wroten and maybe a pick and let Rose drive it for a year.
why would you give up a pick for rose in the 20's and take on his contract? what is in it for us? He is a bad bad player.
not asking about crabbe!
I asked about rose and why you feel that he would ever be worth a pick! we should get a pick.
BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:Briggs has waaaaay many posts invested in Crabbe to look at logic at this point. Make much more sense to marry yourself to bit player with 3/4 of one decent season than get a guy that immediately improves your team and the players on it. Crabbe may get better, but paying him what Briggs suggests is one of the worst bets Ive seen floating around hereBRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:So if we give Conley 21 mm ( which I'm totally against) and D will the Mle that's the teamKnicks have $33M in cap space.
The MLE is $12M now?
Also, Conley would absolutely make this team a playoffs team.
And we can still stretch Jose or he comes off the cap in 2017 when the cap also rises another $20M to $110M. So we'd have $12M this summer to either re-sign DWill or add a shooting guard.
$12M more in FA money
Conley / Grant / Wroten
Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP
Rolo / HernangomezThen next summer we have a 2017 first rounder + $25M in cap room next season to add to that.
It may not be the best plan in the world, but it's not terrible either.
And, yes, the Blazers will match Crabbe.
I find it hilarious that you advocate giving Crabbe $17M and Seth Curry $11M for a total of $28M, neither are proven, signing both would mean we lose DWill.
But when it comes to signing proven near all-star two-way PG Mike Conley 28 years old to $21M which would allow us to re-sign DWill and add a SG as well... then it's too much money.
I said Crabbe 14 mm and Curry 8 mm mle. That would allow us to resign d will and 2-3 draft pick/ udfa. I'm not big on resigning Galloway at 3-4 mm I think we can get his from a draft pick. Also I want to wait and see draft night to se what we may get. I've felt that way the whole time. Let's see what happens tomorrow and then we can focus on fa
I thought you said 4yr/$44M for Curry and 4yr/$70M or something for Crabbe.
Either way - you are investing say ~$22M+ in Crabbe/Curry vs ~$22M in Conley. I agree with you Crabbe is a good bet to eventually become a solid player. But he's not a complete player. He's a shooter, maybe Klay Thompson lite on offense, without the D. Seth Curry is a complete gamble. More of a gamble than Lin was in 2012. And you're talking about giving him $8M and more for 4 years. That's a huge risk.
Also, both Crabbe and Curry are RFA - so we could get them to sign offer sheets, tie up our cap space and then all the other FA sign and we lose out completely if Portland and Sacramento match. SAC is letting Rondo go, how do we know they don't match on Curry? They have three days to evaluate the market, realize that they can't do better and match. Same with Portland and Crabbe.
Conley agrees to sign here and we get him and he's a young vet at 28 who has proven he can play at the highest levels of NBA playoffs basketball. He's a complete PG with no holes in his game who would be a perfect fit next to Melo and KP. His contract and career development syncs up with Melo and Rolo - he's similar age and he'd be signed for one more year than those two. It'd be ideal. Melo is not going anywhere and wants to win - this is a good move. And it helps KP's development, too. I dunno, I'm for it.
I'd rather invest $22M in a sure thing, rather than two question marks.
I'm not too scared of losing DWill - I kind of agree that we can get the production he gave us from someone like Anthony Bennett or another cheaper FA. DWill had some beautiful dunks, but shot mediocre from 3pt land and he's a bad defender. If he's back, I'm on board. But if he goes somewhere else for a big pay day, I don't shed too many tears.
I like Crabbe--I like his size hes athletic he can shoot--he showed what he can do when it counts in the playoffs. he doesnt get the FGAs on a team with Lillard and CJ. I also like Curry but Im a Crabbe guy. UNLESS trade changes our complexion--that would likely be my number 1 target Im willing to pay Crabbe between 14-17mm to get a contract done that Portland wont match.
For what it's worth - I agree with you on Crabbe. I just think Portland will match. I saw that team play him 35-40mpg in the playoffs. He's a core player for them going forward. I do think he'll be good - here's the thing though. He's more of a 2/3. Portland already has the playmaking guards like Lillard and CJ to make Crabbe better. We do not have those guards. Those are the hardest thing in the league to get. Conley is one such guard. He makes EVERYONE on the team better - he gets Melo easy shots. He gets KP easy shots. He gets Rolo some easy buckets. He gets open 3s for our shooting guard, whoever that may be.
I'd look to sign Conley and Courtney Lee - that makes our lineup better than Memphis's team that knocked out the CP3 Clippers and challenged the Spurs and Warriors
Conley / C. Lee / Melo / KP / Rolo vs Conley / C.Lee / Prince / ZBO / Gasol
We can still develop the young guys and get them valuable experience. And we still add a 2017 draft pick and 2017 cap room to improve.
There are plenty of other ways to go, but that's one way and I think it makes sense with Melo and Rolo already under contract for 3yrs.
mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:It s an option I need to see draft night--all of this stuff is pre mature-we have ZERO idea what we will have. My priority in free agency is Allan Crabbe. Everything else is "chatter" to me. Id offer Crabbe 4 years 65 mm. That way IF we want we can bring back D Will for a 4 year contract. OR we could fit Rondo into a 2 year 28mm$ contract with a player option year 2. Lets wait and see. Mike Conley for 4 years 92mm no.BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Were not even sniffing anything in the east with LBJ and Irving. Im not wasting 21mm on Conley. Conley and Carmelo are NO where and I mean no where near LBJ and Irving--not on the same planet.Were better off developing younger players and trying to stay competitive while we improve. Mike Conley would improve us--but hes no championship player. In his prime he played with really good players already and now hes going to go south. If the Knicks feel they need to make a splash with a "name" go get Rose for this year. Take 13mm off of Chicago's books and give them a future 1 with severe restriction that really will convey into two 2's. This way Grant and or any draft pick we get can develop another year besides Rose. Really I want to see draft night--its hard to predict anything until we see draft night--lets see if we make any trades etc... but my feeling is a 6-1 175 PG who has had injury problems isnt going to change the dial that much. Id do Rondo for 2 years 30mm way before Conley
you want to take on horrible rose and give them a pick?
Id take Rose for a year and give them Calderon and something that either will convey past 20 or turns into 2 somewhere around 2021. Im not overly worried about 2016-2017. Im not married to Rose Im developing Grant Wroten and maybe a pick and let Rose drive it for a year.
why would you give up a pick for rose in the 20's and take on his contract? what is in it for us? He is a bad bad player.
not asking about crabbe!
I asked about rose and why you feel that he would ever be worth a pick! we should get a pick.
I answered you. I want to wait and see what draft night brings us. The only priority I have after draft night is trying to sign Allan cra bbe unless kd wants to come here. I'd consider rose in the right situation after the smoke clears a bit but Chicago will be taking Calderon at a minimum. That is very low on the totem pole right now. I want to execute on draft night right now
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:Briggs has waaaaay many posts invested in Crabbe to look at logic at this point. Make much more sense to marry yourself to bit player with 3/4 of one decent season than get a guy that immediately improves your team and the players on it. Crabbe may get better, but paying him what Briggs suggests is one of the worst bets Ive seen floating around hereBRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:So if we give Conley 21 mm ( which I'm totally against) and D will the Mle that's the teamKnicks have $33M in cap space.
The MLE is $12M now?
Also, Conley would absolutely make this team a playoffs team.
And we can still stretch Jose or he comes off the cap in 2017 when the cap also rises another $20M to $110M. So we'd have $12M this summer to either re-sign DWill or add a shooting guard.
$12M more in FA money
Conley / Grant / Wroten
Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP
Rolo / HernangomezThen next summer we have a 2017 first rounder + $25M in cap room next season to add to that.
It may not be the best plan in the world, but it's not terrible either.
And, yes, the Blazers will match Crabbe.
I find it hilarious that you advocate giving Crabbe $17M and Seth Curry $11M for a total of $28M, neither are proven, signing both would mean we lose DWill.
But when it comes to signing proven near all-star two-way PG Mike Conley 28 years old to $21M which would allow us to re-sign DWill and add a SG as well... then it's too much money.
I said Crabbe 14 mm and Curry 8 mm mle. That would allow us to resign d will and 2-3 draft pick/ udfa. I'm not big on resigning Galloway at 3-4 mm I think we can get his from a draft pick. Also I want to wait and see draft night to se what we may get. I've felt that way the whole time. Let's see what happens tomorrow and then we can focus on fa
I thought you said 4yr/$44M for Curry and 4yr/$70M or something for Crabbe.
Either way - you are investing say ~$22M+ in Crabbe/Curry vs ~$22M in Conley. I agree with you Crabbe is a good bet to eventually become a solid player. But he's not a complete player. He's a shooter, maybe Klay Thompson lite on offense, without the D. Seth Curry is a complete gamble. More of a gamble than Lin was in 2012. And you're talking about giving him $8M and more for 4 years. That's a huge risk.
Also, both Crabbe and Curry are RFA - so we could get them to sign offer sheets, tie up our cap space and then all the other FA sign and we lose out completely if Portland and Sacramento match. SAC is letting Rondo go, how do we know they don't match on Curry? They have three days to evaluate the market, realize that they can't do better and match. Same with Portland and Crabbe.
Conley agrees to sign here and we get him and he's a young vet at 28 who has proven he can play at the highest levels of NBA playoffs basketball. He's a complete PG with no holes in his game who would be a perfect fit next to Melo and KP. His contract and career development syncs up with Melo and Rolo - he's similar age and he'd be signed for one more year than those two. It'd be ideal. Melo is not going anywhere and wants to win - this is a good move. And it helps KP's development, too. I dunno, I'm for it.
I'd rather invest $22M in a sure thing, rather than two question marks.
I'm not too scared of losing DWill - I kind of agree that we can get the production he gave us from someone like Anthony Bennett or another cheaper FA. DWill had some beautiful dunks, but shot mediocre from 3pt land and he's a bad defender. If he's back, I'm on board. But if he goes somewhere else for a big pay day, I don't shed too many tears.
I like Crabbe--I like his size hes athletic he can shoot--he showed what he can do when it counts in the playoffs. he doesnt get the FGAs on a team with Lillard and CJ. I also like Curry but Im a Crabbe guy. UNLESS trade changes our complexion--that would likely be my number 1 target Im willing to pay Crabbe between 14-17mm to get a contract done that Portland wont match.
For what it's worth - I agree with you on Crabbe. I just think Portland will match. I saw that team play him 35-40mpg in the playoffs. He's a core player for them going forward. I do think he'll be good - here's the thing though. He's more of a 2/3. Portland already has the playmaking guards like Lillard and CJ to make Crabbe better. We do not have those guards. Those are the hardest thing in the league to get. Conley is one such guard. He makes EVERYONE on the team better - he gets Melo easy shots. He gets KP easy shots. He gets Rolo some easy buckets. He gets open 3s for our shooting guard, whoever that may be.
I'd look to sign Conley and Courtney Lee - that makes our lineup better than Memphis's team that knocked out the CP3 Clippers and challenged the Spurs and Warriors
Conley / C. Lee / Melo / KP / Rolo vs Conley / C.Lee / Prince / ZBO / Gasol
We can still develop the young guys and get them valuable experience. And we still add a 2017 draft pick and 2017 cap room to improve.
There are plenty of other ways to go, but that's one way and I think it makes sense with Melo and Rolo already under contract for 3yrs.
We could sign crabbe to a 64-68 mm contract and sign Rondo to a 2 year deal for 24-26mm. I'd rather rondo for less years less money and to get a chance at Crabbe
BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:Briggs has waaaaay many posts invested in Crabbe to look at logic at this point. Make much more sense to marry yourself to bit player with 3/4 of one decent season than get a guy that immediately improves your team and the players on it. Crabbe may get better, but paying him what Briggs suggests is one of the worst bets Ive seen floating around hereBRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:So if we give Conley 21 mm ( which I'm totally against) and D will the Mle that's the teamKnicks have $33M in cap space.
The MLE is $12M now?
Also, Conley would absolutely make this team a playoffs team.
And we can still stretch Jose or he comes off the cap in 2017 when the cap also rises another $20M to $110M. So we'd have $12M this summer to either re-sign DWill or add a shooting guard.
$12M more in FA money
Conley / Grant / Wroten
Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP
Rolo / HernangomezThen next summer we have a 2017 first rounder + $25M in cap room next season to add to that.
It may not be the best plan in the world, but it's not terrible either.
And, yes, the Blazers will match Crabbe.
I find it hilarious that you advocate giving Crabbe $17M and Seth Curry $11M for a total of $28M, neither are proven, signing both would mean we lose DWill.
But when it comes to signing proven near all-star two-way PG Mike Conley 28 years old to $21M which would allow us to re-sign DWill and add a SG as well... then it's too much money.
I said Crabbe 14 mm and Curry 8 mm mle. That would allow us to resign d will and 2-3 draft pick/ udfa. I'm not big on resigning Galloway at 3-4 mm I think we can get his from a draft pick. Also I want to wait and see draft night to se what we may get. I've felt that way the whole time. Let's see what happens tomorrow and then we can focus on fa
I thought you said 4yr/$44M for Curry and 4yr/$70M or something for Crabbe.
Either way - you are investing say ~$22M+ in Crabbe/Curry vs ~$22M in Conley. I agree with you Crabbe is a good bet to eventually become a solid player. But he's not a complete player. He's a shooter, maybe Klay Thompson lite on offense, without the D. Seth Curry is a complete gamble. More of a gamble than Lin was in 2012. And you're talking about giving him $8M and more for 4 years. That's a huge risk.
Also, both Crabbe and Curry are RFA - so we could get them to sign offer sheets, tie up our cap space and then all the other FA sign and we lose out completely if Portland and Sacramento match. SAC is letting Rondo go, how do we know they don't match on Curry? They have three days to evaluate the market, realize that they can't do better and match. Same with Portland and Crabbe.
Conley agrees to sign here and we get him and he's a young vet at 28 who has proven he can play at the highest levels of NBA playoffs basketball. He's a complete PG with no holes in his game who would be a perfect fit next to Melo and KP. His contract and career development syncs up with Melo and Rolo - he's similar age and he'd be signed for one more year than those two. It'd be ideal. Melo is not going anywhere and wants to win - this is a good move. And it helps KP's development, too. I dunno, I'm for it.
I'd rather invest $22M in a sure thing, rather than two question marks.
I'm not too scared of losing DWill - I kind of agree that we can get the production he gave us from someone like Anthony Bennett or another cheaper FA. DWill had some beautiful dunks, but shot mediocre from 3pt land and he's a bad defender. If he's back, I'm on board. But if he goes somewhere else for a big pay day, I don't shed too many tears.
I like Crabbe--I like his size hes athletic he can shoot--he showed what he can do when it counts in the playoffs. he doesnt get the FGAs on a team with Lillard and CJ. I also like Curry but Im a Crabbe guy. UNLESS trade changes our complexion--that would likely be my number 1 target Im willing to pay Crabbe between 14-17mm to get a contract done that Portland wont match.
For what it's worth - I agree with you on Crabbe. I just think Portland will match. I saw that team play him 35-40mpg in the playoffs. He's a core player for them going forward. I do think he'll be good - here's the thing though. He's more of a 2/3. Portland already has the playmaking guards like Lillard and CJ to make Crabbe better. We do not have those guards. Those are the hardest thing in the league to get. Conley is one such guard. He makes EVERYONE on the team better - he gets Melo easy shots. He gets KP easy shots. He gets Rolo some easy buckets. He gets open 3s for our shooting guard, whoever that may be.
I'd look to sign Conley and Courtney Lee - that makes our lineup better than Memphis's team that knocked out the CP3 Clippers and challenged the Spurs and Warriors
Conley / C. Lee / Melo / KP / Rolo vs Conley / C.Lee / Prince / ZBO / Gasol
We can still develop the young guys and get them valuable experience. And we still add a 2017 draft pick and 2017 cap room to improve.
There are plenty of other ways to go, but that's one way and I think it makes sense with Melo and Rolo already under contract for 3yrs.
We could sign crabbe to a 64-68 mm contract and sign Rondo to a 2 year deal for 24-26mm. I'd rather rondo for less years less money and to get a chance at Crabbe
Okay, then if Portland matches Crabbe... at least we're left with Rondo in that case.
I like Crabbe... but paying him $16M per year makes me queasy. I'd rather pay Conley $22M.
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:
We could sign crabbe to a 64-68 mm contract and sign Rondo to a 2 year deal for 24-26mm. I'd rather rondo for less years less money and to get a chance at CrabbeOkay, then if Portland matches Crabbe... at least we're left with Rondo in that case.
I like Crabbe... but paying him $16M per year makes me queasy. I'd rather pay Conley $22M.
Also, is there a huge difference between Gerald Green and Crabbe right now? Crabbe MAY eventually be the better player... but you could probably re-unite Gerald Green with Hornacek. Gerald Green was GREAT for Horny. Green averaged 20pts per 36min with .126 ws/48, shooting 40% from 3pt range under Hornacek. Crabbe was 14pts/36min, .098 ws/48 and .393 from 3pt range last season.
Why not sign Gerald Green for $5M per year instead of Crabbe for $16M a year?
Sign Conley for $22M, Green for $5M, Give the last $7M to DWill on a 1 and 1
Conley / Grant / Calderon
Green / Wroten / Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP / DWill
Rolo / KOQ / Hernangomez
crzymdups wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:
We could sign crabbe to a 64-68 mm contract and sign Rondo to a 2 year deal for 24-26mm. I'd rather rondo for less years less money and to get a chance at CrabbeOkay, then if Portland matches Crabbe... at least we're left with Rondo in that case.
I like Crabbe... but paying him $16M per year makes me queasy. I'd rather pay Conley $22M.
Also, is there a huge difference between Gerald Green and Crabbe right now? Crabbe MAY eventually be the better player... but you could probably re-unite Gerald Green with Hornacek. Gerald Green was GREAT for Horny. Green averaged 20pts per 36min with .126 ws/48, shooting 40% from 3pt range under Hornacek. Crabbe was 14pts/36min, .098 ws/48 and .393 from 3pt range last season.
Why not sign Gerald Green for $5M per year instead of Crabbe for $16M a year?
Sign Conley for $22M, Green for $5M, Give the last $7M to DWill on a 1 and 1
Conley / Grant / Calderon
Green / Wroten / Galloway
Melo / Lance
KP / DWill
Rolo / KOQ / Hernangomez
I agree.... we gotta be smarter with our money. Phil has proven he will do that.