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GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.I think he's the starter while he's here, but remember Kurt Thomas when we first had him?? Before we stunk he had some great years. He started over LJ and played about 24mph. The guy was valuable. Also guarding the toughest player, bringing hustle, making plays... Noah is a different version of the same idea. Noah can be an impact player, and at the very least every 3rd game he will play 35 minutes and be a critical cog. Other nights he will sit an entire half in favor of a small player and it will be the right move. The point is we need him and that depth is incredibly valuable. Ball mover, rebounder, defender, leader, spark plug.... he was a monster last night and we really need wins right now. For what he brings, if we get 24mpg and 70 games from him it was a great signing.
He makes you flexible. You can take him out for a small, move KP/Melo to the 5/4. You just have options, and the less he plays the more crazy and effective he gets. If the young guys... Willy and KOQ (how great has he been?!?!?) are playing well than save Noah his knees. He will be involved. If the team is winning he will accept any role and excel at it. I hope for the above (24mpg and 70 games)
smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.He may just not be in game condition yet- missed most of last season and nearly all of preseason. He's been playing for only 3 weeks
Thats definitely a possibility. Considered it myself. Still, thinking of the length of Noah's contract, I believe its in the team's best interest to move him to the bench asap. He still can ball, but coming off the bench would give him the opportunity, as well as the stamina, to be available for the 4th quarter.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.I think he's the starter while he's here, but remember Kurt Thomas when we first had him?? Before we stunk he had some great years. He started over LJ and played about 24mph. The guy was valuable. Also guarding the toughest player, bringing hustle, making plays... Noah is a different version of the same idea. Noah can be an impact player, and at the very least every 3rd game he will play 35 minutes and be a critical cog. Other nights he will sit an entire half in favor of a small player and it will be the right move. The point is we need him and that depth is incredibly valuable. Ball mover, rebounder, defender, leader, spark plug.... he was a monster last night and we really need wins right now. For what he brings, if we get 24mpg and 70 games from him it was a great signing.He makes you flexible. You can take him out for a small, move KP/Melo to the 5/4. You just have options, and the less he plays the more crazy and effective he gets. If the young guys... Willy and KOQ (how great has he been?!?!?) are playing well than save Noah his knees. He will be involved. If the team is winning he will accept any role and excel at it. I hope for the above (24mpg and 70 games)
I think we both agree that his minutes should be limited. I like the idea of bringing Noah off the bench because it gives the team the luxury of putting in a fresher player than someone who had played a large block of minutes in the first half.
nyk4ever wrote:briggs, noah should be arrested just like you said harrison barnes should be arrested for stealing the contract that the mavs gave him. his play looks pretty good to me. maybe you should wait for such proclamations instead of having a knee-jerk reaction every day.
Barnes, on the other hand, _has_ looked like a keeper, even a max contract keeper. He's averaging 22.5 and 5.5 boards and generally balling in Dallas. I'm not sure he's going to keep improving and hit all-star level but he's a hard worker, a level head, and all signs are that Dallas is going to get their money's worth out of Barnes.
Even Dirk thinks so: http://www.slamonline.com/nba/dirk-nowitzki-harrison-barnes-looked-like-franchise-player/
fishmike wrote:You sure he started over LJ? Did you really mean Camby?GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.I think he's the starter while he's here, but remember Kurt Thomas when we first had him?? Before we stunk he had some great years. He started over LJ and played about 24mph. The guy was valuable. Also guarding the toughest player, bringing hustle, making plays... Noah is a different version of the same idea. Noah can be an impact player, and at the very least every 3rd game he will play 35 minutes and be a critical cog. Other nights he will sit an entire half in favor of a small player and it will be the right move. The point is we need him and that depth is incredibly valuable. Ball mover, rebounder, defender, leader, spark plug.... he was a monster last night and we really need wins right now. For what he brings, if we get 24mpg and 70 games from him it was a great signing.He makes you flexible. You can take him out for a small, move KP/Melo to the 5/4. You just have options, and the less he plays the more crazy and effective he gets. If the young guys... Willy and KOQ (how great has he been?!?!?) are playing well than save Noah his knees. He will be involved. If the team is winning he will accept any role and excel at it. I hope for the above (24mpg and 70 games)
Welpee wrote:Actually no... its Spree I am thinking of. We started big and brought Spree off the bench which is actually closer to my point. Kurt started every game in that strike shortened season where we went to the finals as the 8th seed. I just like the idea of starting big with Melo at the 3. Those are our best players. Prefer to bring the scorers off the benchfishmike wrote:You sure he started over LJ? Did you really mean Camby?GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.I think he's the starter while he's here, but remember Kurt Thomas when we first had him?? Before we stunk he had some great years. He started over LJ and played about 24mph. The guy was valuable. Also guarding the toughest player, bringing hustle, making plays... Noah is a different version of the same idea. Noah can be an impact player, and at the very least every 3rd game he will play 35 minutes and be a critical cog. Other nights he will sit an entire half in favor of a small player and it will be the right move. The point is we need him and that depth is incredibly valuable. Ball mover, rebounder, defender, leader, spark plug.... he was a monster last night and we really need wins right now. For what he brings, if we get 24mpg and 70 games from him it was a great signing.He makes you flexible. You can take him out for a small, move KP/Melo to the 5/4. You just have options, and the less he plays the more crazy and effective he gets. If the young guys... Willy and KOQ (how great has he been?!?!?) are playing well than save Noah his knees. He will be involved. If the team is winning he will accept any role and excel at it. I hope for the above (24mpg and 70 games)
NumberTwoPencil wrote:nyk4ever wrote:briggs, noah should be arrested just like you said harrison barnes should be arrested for stealing the contract that the mavs gave him. his play looks pretty good to me. maybe you should wait for such proclamations instead of having a knee-jerk reaction every day.Barnes, on the other hand, _has_ looked like a keeper, even a max contract keeper. He's averaging 22.5 and 5.5 boards and generally balling in Dallas. I'm not sure he's going to keep improving and hit all-star level but he's a hard worker, a level head, and all signs are that Dallas is going to get their money's worth out of Barnes.
Even Dirk thinks so: http://www.slamonline.com/nba/dirk-nowitzki-harrison-barnes-looked-like-franchise-player/
Barnes its funny because he was absolutely brutal in pre season--I thought it could be worse than I expected. But Barnes has been very very good. I was way off the mark on this one. Noah on the other hand well hes been terrible 8 out of 11 games--that ratioe is not very good and I dont expect it to change much. We easily could've lived without his $. As we are speaking iof this Courtney Lee has also been terrible the last 5 games. Thats over 30mm combined--that is a great deal of money.
NumberTwoPencil wrote:I think Barnes is smart enough that he used preseason as a learning experience. I watched maybe 30 minutes of his preseason time over three games and he looked, to me, like he was trying out new things. More than most players his caliber, he's a creature of habit with very little improvisation. So, change in his game is subtle, careful, slow, and very, very deliberate. I expect him to get a little better over the course of this year, probably averaging roughly what he is now but contributing overall a bit more. His D isn't as confident as it was with GS so there's plenty of room for improvement there. I think Dallas got a solid deal, assuming they aren't expecting a flashy superstar, and with the right coach/team, Barnes might help Dallas not completely tank in the post-Dirk era.
Anything is possible if you got God on your side.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...
And, despite a poor preseason, Barnes embraced the opportunity to become a building block in Dallas. He’s averaging 22.6 points on 49.3 percent shooting through the opening eight games of the season, and after working with former Providence star and New York City street ball legend God Shammgod — now a player development coach with the Mavericks — on his ball handling, he already looks more explosive getting to the rim than he ever did in Golden State.
I know I couldn't live with myself if I was reporting to work unable to perform and just collect a paycheck, esp if, like these guys, I'd already clocked millions. It's pretty disgraceful.
Panos wrote:We seem to always need to go out and get a new albatross contract as soon as we clear off the old one. I keep hopping I see the day where one of them has some pride and does the honourable thing and retires if they truly can't play anymore, but I guess greed rules the land.
I know I couldn't live with myself if I was reporting to work unable to perform and just collect a paycheck, esp if, like these guys, I'd already clocked millions. It's pretty disgraceful.
It's not up to the players to bail out the owners for their stupid decisions. If a player is working hard and has sacrificed his body and will live the rest of his life with back pain, he deserves the compensation he was guaranteed.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.I think he's the starter while he's here, but remember Kurt Thomas when we first had him?? Before we stunk he had some great years. He started over LJ and played about 24mph. The guy was valuable. Also guarding the toughest player, bringing hustle, making plays... Noah is a different version of the same idea. Noah can be an impact player, and at the very least every 3rd game he will play 35 minutes and be a critical cog. Other nights he will sit an entire half in favor of a small player and it will be the right move. The point is we need him and that depth is incredibly valuable. Ball mover, rebounder, defender, leader, spark plug.... he was a monster last night and we really need wins right now. For what he brings, if we get 24mpg and 70 games from him it was a great signing.He makes you flexible. You can take him out for a small, move KP/Melo to the 5/4. You just have options, and the less he plays the more crazy and effective he gets. If the young guys... Willy and KOQ (how great has he been?!?!?) are playing well than save Noah his knees. He will be involved. If the team is winning he will accept any role and excel at it. I hope for the above (24mpg and 70 games)
The problem with Noah though, seems to be more about fit. I don't think he is done, but it puts other players playing in weaker positions.
Start KP at the 5 and bring Noah off the bench, or vice versa (but the latter doesn't seem to make sense from a talent standpoint.)
Having Noah start and just getting beat on from the get go (again) is a bit worrisome. Maybe we can work it out but it seems like Starting Noah at the 5 and then putting KP at the 4 and Melo at the 3, hurts us.
earthmansurfer wrote:It all depends on match ups. KP against Drummond, Howard, Cousins and a couple of other low post bigs may put us at a disadvantage and promote more foul trouble for KP. Plus lets be honest, aside from the blocked shots KP has struggled a bit defensively this season. I say stick with Noah starting and adjust (i.e. bench Noah) in game as necessary.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Im happy that Noah is starting to produce, but he still looks like he is having trouble getting up and down the court. The sooner we can find someone who is reliable enough to send Noah to the bench the better. Would love for him to be a solid, reliable bench player for the next 3 years.I think he's the starter while he's here, but remember Kurt Thomas when we first had him?? Before we stunk he had some great years. He started over LJ and played about 24mph. The guy was valuable. Also guarding the toughest player, bringing hustle, making plays... Noah is a different version of the same idea. Noah can be an impact player, and at the very least every 3rd game he will play 35 minutes and be a critical cog. Other nights he will sit an entire half in favor of a small player and it will be the right move. The point is we need him and that depth is incredibly valuable. Ball mover, rebounder, defender, leader, spark plug.... he was a monster last night and we really need wins right now. For what he brings, if we get 24mpg and 70 games from him it was a great signing.He makes you flexible. You can take him out for a small, move KP/Melo to the 5/4. You just have options, and the less he plays the more crazy and effective he gets. If the young guys... Willy and KOQ (how great has he been?!?!?) are playing well than save Noah his knees. He will be involved. If the team is winning he will accept any role and excel at it. I hope for the above (24mpg and 70 games)
The problem with Noah though, seems to be more about fit. I don't think he is done, but it puts other players playing in weaker positions.
Start KP at the 5 and bring Noah off the bench, or vice versa (but the latter doesn't seem to make sense from a talent standpoint.)Having Noah start and just getting beat on from the get go (again) is a bit worrisome. Maybe we can work it out but it seems like Starting Noah at the 5 and then putting KP at the 4 and Melo at the 3, hurts us.
Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:We seem to always need to go out and get a new albatross contract as soon as we clear off the old one. I keep hopping I see the day where one of them has some pride and does the honourable thing and retires if they truly can't play anymore, but I guess greed rules the land.
I know I couldn't live with myself if I was reporting to work unable to perform and just collect a paycheck, esp if, like these guys, I'd already clocked millions. It's pretty disgraceful.It's not up to the players to bail out the owners for their stupid decisions. If a player is working hard and has sacrificed his body and will live the rest of his life with back pain, he deserves the compensation he was guaranteed.
Sorry if I disagree. I'm not talking about a bail out. I'm talking about pride in holding up your end of the contract.
Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:We seem to always need to go out and get a new albatross contract as soon as we clear off the old one. I keep hopping I see the day where one of them has some pride and does the honourable thing and retires if they truly can't play anymore, but I guess greed rules the land.
I know I couldn't live with myself if I was reporting to work unable to perform and just collect a paycheck, esp if, like these guys, I'd already clocked millions. It's pretty disgraceful.It's not up to the players to bail out the owners for their stupid decisions. If a player is working hard and has sacrificed his body and will live the rest of his life with back pain, he deserves the compensation he was guaranteed.
Sorry if I disagree. I'm not talking about a bail out. I'm talking about pride in holding up your end of the contract.
The player's end of the contract says that he will do the work required - go to practices and games, do certain media interviews, etc. It doesn't say that he will put up a certain # of points per game or win shares.
reub wrote:Joakim Noah is now a minus 39 in his last 49 minutes of play over his last 3 games for the Knicks.
he was recovering from illness the last 2 games, why would you bother using those 2 games to calculate this arbitrary stat?
Vmart wrote:Noah is out of shape. The guys frame can't carry his weight. He looks like he is 275-280. He needs to get back to 245 and get back to being better defensively. The main reason why he looks slow is he fat and out of shape.
I was thinking the same.