Phil may be worse,
Thomas atleast made the playoffs, and would have prob had more success if the Houston & marbury back court came together, but he came into salary cap hell, and started making lateral trades Like Tim Thomas for KVH, the Curry signing, and the Francis trade killed him, the law suit put him 6 feet deep.
Phil dumps players, like taking out the trash, 60+ players in 3 1/2 years. Then he had the nerve to call walsh's roster CLUMSY..
He has this Rosen character like a fckng ventriloquist on his lap...Phil is really becoming all the way wack and just lame.
I say no for two reasons: 1) Phil didn't toss our future in the toilet trading picks; 2) drafting KP trumps any draft pick or trade Isiah made.
Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.
I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth
God no..... funny thing is the real question is was Isiah worse than Layden and Layden more or less got his job back with the wolves.
Knixkik wrote:Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.
short term risk that has resulted in 3 and 1/2 brutal seasons, going on 4, and KP is starting to look like a taller Gallo
He doesn't always behave like a professional. His handling of Melo and communicating through his mouth piece in the press looks really bad. He isn't as bad as Isiah but he certainly isn't doing his legacy any favors by not taking care of business in a professional manner.
Phil only had 1 of the Knicks 1st rnd picks. Give him a break
knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.
short term risk that has resulted in 3 and 1/2 brutal seasons, going on 4, and KP is starting to look like a taller Gallo
The criticism of KP is mind boggling. The guy is 21 years old. No other fan base would be this impatient.
EnySpree wrote:I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth
In 4 seasons we dont have a core, and were don't seem to be getting better, even after a new coach and new players, Same results.
Phil has had $ to spend, a top 5 pick, and cap friendly contracts. He signs Noah, melo, lance and lee, thats nothing to brag about on any level
Welpee wrote:I say no for two reasons: 1) Phil didn't toss our future in the toilet trading picks; 2) drafting KP trumps any draft pick or trade Isiah made.
At this point it's too early to say. But two things: Isiah did also acquire a few 1st round picks and he didn't hand out as many large, bad contracts as Phil has. If KP becomes a superstar, yes, that trumps anything Isiah did though.
BigRedDog wrote:Phil only had 1 of the Knicks 1st rnd picks. Give him a break
OK but Isiah had $0 in cap space. Give him a break. Or maybe don't give either one a break. They both made many terrible decisions and few good ones.
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth
In 4 seasons we dont have a core, and were don't seem to be getting better, even after a new coach and new players, Same results.
Phil has had $ to spend, a top 5 pick, and cap friendly contracts. He signs Noah, melo, lance and lee, thats nothing to brag about on any level
Yeah. Is this the year the Knicks get back to pre-phil 37 wins?
Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah
StarksEwing1 wrote:Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah
Layden might of been worse. I remember before the draft everybody was getting hyped about Amare and when they asked Layden about it he didn't even know who Amare was because he had been vacationing/scouting in Europe and at the end he drafted Frederic weis........ Layden was complete scrub
wargames wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah
Layden might of been worse. I remember before the draft everybody was getting hyped about Amare and when they asked Layden about it he didn't even know who Amare was because he had been vacationing/scouting in Europe and at the end he drafted Frederic weis........ Layden was complete scrub
I remember being on my way to a draft party and they started reporting on the radio that the Knicks were trading Camby and their pick for Dyess. It ruined the night and many years for the franchise.
Phil isn't worse - he's kept the draft picks. And he's drafted some young guys that he hasn't traded yet.
Isiah traded the young guys and draft picks all the time.
He drafted Ariza... then traded him, drafted Frye... traded him, too
The Eddy Curry trade is the worst Knicks trade of all time.
wargames wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah
Layden might of been worse. I remember before the draft everybody was getting hyped about Amare and when they asked Layden about it he didn't even know who Amare was because he had been vacationing/scouting in Europe and at the end he drafted Frederic weis........ Layden was complete scrub
scott was terrible BUT isiah had a chance to learn from his mistakes but instead he kept adding bloated contracts and throwing away lottery picks
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth
In 4 seasons we dont have a core, and were don't seem to be getting better, even after a new coach and new players, Same results.
Phil has had $ to spend, a top 5 pick, and cap friendly contracts. He signs Noah, melo, lance and lee, thats nothing to brag about on any level
Who's bragging? But we still are financially stable and are picks are intact. Season might be lost but we're not dead in the water
This thread is a joke.
Isiah was one of the worst GMs in NBA history.
Jerome James on a 5 year deal at 30MM - played on season
Eddy Curry - worst trade in NBA history, 2 number 1 picks that Noah and Aldrige for a guy that was to fat and stupid to contribute
Jamal Crawford - 37MM for Jerome Williams to overpay a 6th man
Channing Frye - over Granger and Bynum
Kurt Thomas - useful role player for QRich and his 58MM deal for the rights to Nate Robinson
Marty Collins - over Rondo and Lowry
Nazar Mohomed - expiring deal for the 29th pick, and Malik Rose. 9MM in salary for two years for a pick that could be bought for 3MM
Jared Jefferies - full mid level
Moving Ariza for Steve Francis
Trading a draft selection for mo taylor
Quite possibly the dumbest gm in the history of the league (outside of Billy King)
Phils great moves
Willy
Kuz
Galloway
Thomas (First time around)
Holiday
KOQ
KP
He made some mistakes for sure. But, again not his fault his draft pick was moved by Grunwald, in one of the worst moves we have ever seen. He also didn't have the benefit of a draft pick in because of Isiah. You have to be asshole not to protect a pick.
Our lowest win percentage in history was under Isiah
