Knicks · Is Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson and Jerebko enough for Melo? A Case That It Is... (page 1)

SocraticBallin22 @ 1/30/2017 4:47 PM
There are new reports surfacing today that Boston has renewed interest in trading for Melo before the deadline and that Knicks scouts have been at Celtic games recently. While I would love to acquire Boston's 1st round pick this year, which will be swapped for Brooklyn's pick and will most likely end up a top 3 lottery pick;--realistically, there is no way a prudent GM like Ainge would ever relinquish this pick for Melo to a GM who has made it publicly known he is desperate to unload his star, and whose said star holds a no trade clause and will only go to a hand selected amount of teams. This diminishes his trade value,although he has helped his stock the last few games while playing at the 4 putting up monstrous, old Melo-like numbers.

Which brings me to my question: would you trade Melo for Crowder, Amir Johnson and Jerebko. On the surface it looks like we're not yielding much back in return, but I can make a strong case how this instantly helps our team and rebuilding.

1) Amir Johnson and Jerebko are expiring contracts. By trading Melo for these two contracts--not the players--we shed almost 20 million off the cap this summer. Add to that the 21 million that will come off the books at the end of the year for Rose's contract (no we are NOT extending him), we will have over 40 million dollars of cap flexibility going forward for our rebuilding process. By keeping Melo, we are stuck wit ha max contract for 2 more seasons after this one for a player who will not be a MAX player anymore (many would argue he is not a max player mpw with his athleticism eroding).

2) I must admit I did not know much about Jae Crowder until I did some research on him recently. All I knew was that he was a 2nd round pick, overachieving type of player whose known for his defense (something our team desperately needs). I also knew that Phil had interest in him last offseason, so he does like the player. In checking his stats this year, I was blown away. He is the starting small forward for one of the best teams in the eastern conference and here are his numbers:

In his last 10 games, he is averaging 18ppg and 6 rebounds shooting .517 from the field, while playing plus defense. Small sample size, right?

Well for the season, he is averaging 14ppg, 5 rebounds shooting .488 from the field and get this--the kicker--.427 from 3 point range! If that's not a prototypical 3 and D player, I don't know what is. He has developed his jump shot the last two years and is now a 2 way player (something we know Melo is not).

Moreover, he's only 26 years old and on a very friendly contract of about 6 million per year for the next 3 years, which coincide with his prime years of playing basketball (a huge asset).

If you plug him into the 3 to replace Melo, we instantly become a lot better defensively--our main weakness this year--while he still provides plenty of offense as a role player. Moreover, if you surround the court with the likes of Crowder, Lee (one of the best 3 point shooters in the league), Holiday, Baker and of course KP--we would become one of the deadliest 3 point shooting teams in the league!

In sum, we would shed 40 million dollars of payroll at the end of the season, add a young, talented and offensively developing role player like Crowder to our core, while still having our 1st round pick this summer, which will have a better chance of being a lottery pick--further enhancing the true rebuild and building around KP for the future.

In an ideal world, I would want a 1st round pick in return for Melo, but that may not be feasible right now, and this deal still has plenty of value for us and would serve the purpose of rebuilding.

Thoughts?!?

CrushAlot @ 1/30/2017 4:59 PM
I really like Crowder. He was an undersized power forward in college that was really likable. He did not seem like he could make it with his size but he has become a really good player. I think you have to hope to get a couple of picks and a youngster. I believe they have to make a decision with their back court and might move Smart because of that. BK's picks aren't being moved but the Celts have a lot of assets. They would be the preferred trade partner of the teams mentioned.
ekstarks94 @ 1/30/2017 5:11 PM
Throw in a first rounder...not BKLYN's....or 2 seconds and I am sold
BigDaddyG @ 1/30/2017 5:11 PM
This is definitely a move in the right direction. I like Crowder more than Smart, but either one would do. I wouldn't need this year's Brooklyn pick, but Celtics have more than enough to throw in and sweeten the deal.
crzymdups @ 1/30/2017 5:23 PM
I'd want Crowder and either Marcus Smart - OR - a Boston 1st round pick (not this year's pick they can swap with Brooklyn)

I might settle for Crowder and Smart.

They also have Minnesota's second round pick this year, pick 37 right now. I'd want that as well.

I really do like Crowder a lot. But you need Smart or the 1st round pick back. You really do.


I agree Crowder would be an outstanding fit here.

SocraticBallin22 @ 1/30/2017 5:29 PM
crzymdups wrote:I'd want Crowder and either Marcus Smart - OR - a Boston 1st round pick (not this year's pick they can swap with Brooklyn)

I might settle for Crowder and Smart.

They also have Minnesota's second round pick this year, pick 37 right now. I'd want that as well.

I really do like Crowder a lot. But you need Smart or the 1st round pick back. You really do.


I agree Crowder would be an outstanding fit here.

If we were able to get Crowder and Smart with that high 2nd round pick you mentioned this year in a deep draft, that would be a slam dunk. I'd sign right now, but would Ainge be willing to give up Smart--a 22 year old, #6 overall pick on his rookie contract? I would even throw in KO in the deal to make it happen, which would free up time for both Willy and Plum at the 5. KO has value.

BigDaddyG @ 1/30/2017 5:48 PM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'd want Crowder and either Marcus Smart - OR - a Boston 1st round pick (not this year's pick they can swap with Brooklyn)

I might settle for Crowder and Smart.

They also have Minnesota's second round pick this year, pick 37 right now. I'd want that as well.

I really do like Crowder a lot. But you need Smart or the 1st round pick back. You really do.


I agree Crowder would be an outstanding fit here.

If we were able to get Crowder and Smart with that high 2nd round pick you mentioned this year in a deep draft, that would be a slam dunk. I'd sign right now, but would Ainge be willing to give up Smart--a 22 year old, #6 overall pick on his rookie contract? I would even throw in KO in the deal to make it happen, which would free up time for both Willy and Plum at the 5. KO has value.

They have to re-sign Bradley and Thomas at the end of next year. Depending on how high they are on Rozier, than Smart may be available. Smart, Crowder and a future one. That's a good starting point.

smackeddog @ 1/30/2017 5:52 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'd want Crowder and either Marcus Smart - OR - a Boston 1st round pick (not this year's pick they can swap with Brooklyn)

I might settle for Crowder and Smart.

They also have Minnesota's second round pick this year, pick 37 right now. I'd want that as well.

I really do like Crowder a lot. But you need Smart or the 1st round pick back. You really do.


I agree Crowder would be an outstanding fit here.

If we were able to get Crowder and Smart with that high 2nd round pick you mentioned this year in a deep draft, that would be a slam dunk. I'd sign right now, but would Ainge be willing to give up Smart--a 22 year old, #6 overall pick on his rookie contract? I would even throw in KO in the deal to make it happen, which would free up time for both Willy and Plum at the 5. KO has value.

They have to re-sign Bradley and Thomas at the end of next year. Depending on how high they are on Rozier, than Smart may be available. Smart, Rozier and a future one. That's a good starting point.

They also have the top pick in this years draft and it's PG heavy, so they need to move some of their backcourt

CrushAlot @ 1/30/2017 6:13 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'd want Crowder and either Marcus Smart - OR - a Boston 1st round pick (not this year's pick they can swap with Brooklyn)

I might settle for Crowder and Smart.

They also have Minnesota's second round pick this year, pick 37 right now. I'd want that as well.

I really do like Crowder a lot. But you need Smart or the 1st round pick back. You really do.


I agree Crowder would be an outstanding fit here.

If we were able to get Crowder and Smart with that high 2nd round pick you mentioned this year in a deep draft, that would be a slam dunk. I'd sign right now, but would Ainge be willing to give up Smart--a 22 year old, #6 overall pick on his rookie contract? I would even throw in KO in the deal to make it happen, which would free up time for both Willy and Plum at the 5. KO has value.

They have to re-sign Bradley and Thomas at the end of next year. Depending on how high they are on Rozier, than Smart may be available. Smart, Crowder and a future one. That's a good starting point.

I think they really like Rozier.
NardDogNation @ 1/30/2017 6:16 PM
Why would the Celtics give up Crowder though? If you acquire Melo, Crowder is exactly the type of forward you want next to him. I just don't understand why the Celtics would want to do something like that.
knicks1248 @ 1/30/2017 6:17 PM
that would be a very bad trade, your basically saying were going to be a lottery team for the the next 3 yrs..

Even with rose, kp, rose, melo, and noah..it took a lot to get lee to sign on as a FA..so cap space isn't much of an incentive, especially when there's cap space all of the league.

dwiley20 @ 1/30/2017 6:20 PM
crowder and smart 1rst rounder and 3rd team for salary reasons
BigRedDog @ 1/30/2017 6:23 PM
Where are these "new" reports?? I haven't seen anything...
BigDaddyG @ 1/30/2017 6:26 PM
knicks1248 wrote:that would be a very bad trade, your basically saying were going to be a lottery team for the the next 3 yrs..

Even with rose, kp, rose, melo, and noah..it took a lot to get lee to sign on as a FA..so cap space isn't much of an incentive, especially when there's cap space all of the league.

Well...We are basically a lottery team now. At least we'd be getting two potential starters and a draft pick.

SocraticBallin22 @ 1/30/2017 6:42 PM
BigRedDog wrote:Where are these "new" reports?? I haven't seen anything...

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/report-me...

This report says that their Head Coach is interested in Melo while Ainge initially rejected offers for him. Melo has also stated that he would waive his No Trade for the Celtics. There are also reports of the Knicks scouting Celtics games recently. I think Ainge would make the deal if it didn't include their (BKN's) top 3 lottery pick.

TheGame @ 1/30/2017 6:48 PM
I would do this trade if Boston gave us a future first round pick (or a late pick in this draft). Crowder is solid and he can grow with KP. Melo would be an upgrade for Boston because right now, only Thomas can consistent create his own offense, so Melo would give them a second option. I don't think we need Jerebko, and Boston might want to keep him.
NardDogNation @ 1/30/2017 6:57 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:Throw in a first rounder...not BKLYN's....or 2 seconds and I am sold

I'd rather we be able to swap our picks with Brooklyn's in 2017 and 2018. It allows the Celtics to maintain their cache of assets, while it allows us to maximize our draft seedings in the coming years.

NardDogNation @ 1/30/2017 6:58 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'd want Crowder and either Marcus Smart - OR - a Boston 1st round pick (not this year's pick they can swap with Brooklyn)

I might settle for Crowder and Smart.

They also have Minnesota's second round pick this year, pick 37 right now. I'd want that as well.

I really do like Crowder a lot. But you need Smart or the 1st round pick back. You really do.


I agree Crowder would be an outstanding fit here.

If we were able to get Crowder and Smart with that high 2nd round pick you mentioned this year in a deep draft, that would be a slam dunk. I'd sign right now, but would Ainge be willing to give up Smart--a 22 year old, #6 overall pick on his rookie contract? I would even throw in KO in the deal to make it happen, which would free up time for both Willy and Plum at the 5. KO has value.

They have to re-sign Bradley and Thomas at the end of next year. Depending on how high they are on Rozier, than Smart may be available. Smart, Crowder and a future one. That's a good starting point.

+1

Knixkik @ 1/30/2017 6:59 PM
Crowder would be awesome. He's youngish and effective on both sides of the ball. A core of porzingis, Crowder, willy, and, say, De'Aaron Fox would be a great start.
NardDogNation @ 1/30/2017 7:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:that would be a very bad trade, your basically saying were going to be a lottery team for the the next 3 yrs..

Even with rose, kp, rose, melo, and noah..it took a lot to get lee to sign on as a FA..so cap space isn't much of an incentive, especially when there's cap space all of the league.

Of course we'd be a lottery team. That's the point! We need to find runningmates for Kristaps via the draft.

nixluva @ 1/30/2017 7:05 PM
Knixkik wrote:Crowder would be awesome. He's youngish and effective on both sides of the ball. A core of porzingis, Crowder, willy, and, say, De'Aaron Fox would be a great start.

Yeah that's not bad at all. Gotta start the NEW ERA right.

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