NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, what is the fascination with Shabazz Muhammed? Isn't he just a significantly worse version of Melo that would be a blackhole on offense?
He is an expiring contract. He also has talent.
NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, what is the fascination with Shabazz Muhammed? Isn't he just a significantly worse version of Melo that would be a blackhole on offense?
I don't think they're remotely similar. He's a 6'6" SG who can score and plays hard. He's had some really good games against the Knicks and plays with some fire. I think he'd be a good bench guard to have.
crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=187302...This link has video of Brian Windhorst on ESPN talking about the Pistons being involved - it might be a three-way trade with Rubio going to Pistons, Rose to Minnie, and Reggie Jackson to NY... or some other combo.
That just stuck out to me, because I remember Phil tried to get Reggie Jackson when he did the Shump/JR trade.
That'd be a terrible move. Reggie Jackson seems to be a cancer in lockerroom that has burned bridges in OKC and has done the same in DET. Why add that to a rebuilding team, especially when it is obvious that he aimply isn't that good?
It wouldn't be my first choice... but it stuck out to me because I remember Phil was interested in him.
Ditto. The better move would be to hang in the cut, wait till free agency and then sign Darren Collison on a short-term/above market contract he can't turn down. Phil Jackson reportedly had interest in him in a trade before Shumpert hurt himself.....let's go down this route instead of acquiring a well established cancer that can't shoot.
Yeah, that's a smart move. I would sign Collison. I would give him two years $20M or something. That's a better deal for us than Austin Rivers or Rubio and he's a better player.
Austin Rivers is a backup combo guard, so I don't see why he couldn't fit well with Darren Collision who had Russell Westbrook as his running mate in college. Jeff Hornancek likes two-PG fronts anyway (see Dragic-Bledsoe), so why wouldn't Collision and Rivers play together?
crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, what is the fascination with Shabazz Muhammed? Isn't he just a significantly worse version of Melo that would be a blackhole on offense?
I don't think they're remotely similar. He's a 6'6" SG who can score and plays hard. He's had some really good games against the Knicks and plays with some fire. I think he'd be a good bench guard to have.
What does he do aside from score though? I'd take a flier on him but if it requires us to sweeten a package, I think it is an easy pass on him.
NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=187302...This link has video of Brian Windhorst on ESPN talking about the Pistons being involved - it might be a three-way trade with Rubio going to Pistons, Rose to Minnie, and Reggie Jackson to NY... or some other combo.
That just stuck out to me, because I remember Phil tried to get Reggie Jackson when he did the Shump/JR trade.
That'd be a terrible move. Reggie Jackson seems to be a cancer in lockerroom that has burned bridges in OKC and has done the same in DET. Why add that to a rebuilding team, especially when it is obvious that he aimply isn't that good?
It wouldn't be my first choice... but it stuck out to me because I remember Phil was interested in him.
Ditto. The better move would be to hang in the cut, wait till free agency and then sign Darren Collison on a short-term/above market contract he can't turn down. Phil Jackson reportedly had interest in him in a trade before Shumpert hurt himself.....let's go down this route instead of acquiring a well established cancer that can't shoot.
Yeah, that's a smart move. I would sign Collison. I would give him two years $20M or something. That's a better deal for us than Austin Rivers or Rubio and he's a better player.
Austin Rivers is a backup combo guard, so I don't see why he couldn't fit well with Darren Collision who had Russell Westbrook as his running mate in college. Jeff Hornancek likes two-PG offenses (see Dragic-Bledsoe), so why wouldn't Collision and Rivers play together?
Well, maybe the Melo trade happens over the summer, but it sure doesn't seem like it's happening now.
Also, the draft has a ton of great young guards and we're talking about trading for Rubio.
crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=187302...This link has video of Brian Windhorst on ESPN talking about the Pistons being involved - it might be a three-way trade with Rubio going to Pistons, Rose to Minnie, and Reggie Jackson to NY... or some other combo.
That just stuck out to me, because I remember Phil tried to get Reggie Jackson when he did the Shump/JR trade.
That'd be a terrible move. Reggie Jackson seems to be a cancer in lockerroom that has burned bridges in OKC and has done the same in DET. Why add that to a rebuilding team, especially when it is obvious that he aimply isn't that good?
It wouldn't be my first choice... but it stuck out to me because I remember Phil was interested in him.
Ditto. The better move would be to hang in the cut, wait till free agency and then sign Darren Collison on a short-term/above market contract he can't turn down. Phil Jackson reportedly had interest in him in a trade before Shumpert hurt himself.....let's go down this route instead of acquiring a well established cancer that can't shoot.
Yeah, that's a smart move. I would sign Collison. I would give him two years $20M or something. That's a better deal for us than Austin Rivers or Rubio and he's a better player.
Austin Rivers is a backup combo guard, so I don't see why he couldn't fit well with Darren Collision who had Russell Westbrook as his running mate in college. Jeff Hornancek likes two-PG offenses (see Dragic-Bledsoe), so why wouldn't Collision and Rivers play together?
Well, maybe the Melo trade happens over the summer, but it sure doesn't seem like it's happening now.
Also, the draft has a ton of great young guards and we're talking about trading for Rubio.
I think things have heated up quietly with Melo. I think he could be a Celtic or Clipper if the Clips move Blake to the Celtics.
CrushAlot wrote:
shhhhh. don't tell them that!
crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
shhhhh. don't tell them that!
Scott Layden vs. Phil. Who will mess up?
crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
shhhhh. don't tell them that!
I KNOW RIGHT! Geez. Trying kill the deal for us. Bastard
CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
shhhhh. don't tell them that!
Scott Layden vs. Phil. Who will mess up?
I think the universe might implode.
BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Ok - so you refuse straight swap and you let Rose expire.
What solid PG are you getting to run/lead the team the next few years on a better deal than Rubio (2-years at $13.5M)?
Cap space won't be that important for us because we aren't winning a championship and Rubio would be a great 2-year PG bridge if we do come away with a young 19 year old PG in this draft.
Who is going to inform Towns/Wiggins that Rose will never pass them the ball unless it as a last resort?
Seriously though from an offensive standpoint we go from a overly aggressive PG to a passive PG.
It's the D and the unselfishness that give Rubio the edge but not sure why Thibs would go Rose route tbh even with him expiring.
CrushAlot wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26909...
Just validates what many of us have been saying about Rubio and why he could be a great pickup for this team. We have scorers that need a playmaker. So IMO Rubio is a good fit.
CrushAlot wrote:
Wow. I think you have to include KOQ in that deal.
I would say no. know everyone is desperate to move Noah, but we don't need the cap space (no FA's are coming here for a few years), and KOQ can land you a 1st rounder. I would rather keep Noah and land a 1st rounder, than essentially surrender a first rounder just to clear Noah off the books when we don't even need the cap space. You don't even clear Noah's entire salary in this deal, because you're taking back $8mil a year for Cole. So essentially you're giving up a first rounder to clear $10mil per season (which you don't need). the whole point in cap space in a rebuild is to take on salary for picks, we'd essentially be doing the opposite.
Furthermore, I think if we included Noah, they would insist we take back Dieng, who's contract is worse than Noah's.
dwiley20 wrote:nooooooo!!!!!!! Keep rose...Why would we want Rubio
List two things you like about him. Honestly- he's good at penetrating and that is literally it, he brings nothing else. And the cost is no effort on defense, selfish play, low bball IQ, ignoring the coach, quitting on his team, injury risk, poor shooting (worse than Rubio's), and stunting KPs development because he has something against passing to him. Ph, and he'll cost you a big chunk of money if you want to keep him.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Getting noahs contract moved would be like getting a first
It would actually be the opposite, you'd be giving up KOQ who could net you a first.
CrushAlot wrote:
Plus/minus is really a stupid stat to look at...It dependant on 9 other players, 3 refs and 2 coaches, plus home game/road game/back to back situations...Why not look at shooting % where one guy shoots career 45% and the other 37%...The assist you can't really compare because Rose numbers will be skewed because of how much Melo orchestrates on his own...So naturally Rose assist numbers will be at career lows...
Rubio has led a losing franchise all his career...When Melo is gone, we will become the Minny Timberwolves with a lot less speed and a lot less talent...
Remember, its all rumor.
Usually they tend to disappoint.
