BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
If we are getting draft picks in return, I'd certainly accept Rubio's contract which is easily movable
Rookie wrote:One nice caveat that hasn't been mentioned is Minny is under the cap so Knicks won't have to match salaries in a Rubio/Rose swap.
BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
Based on?
Cartman718 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
If we are getting draft picks in return, I'd certainly accept Rubio's contract which is easily movable
For me, Rubio would be a nice stop gap solution, who allows you to draft based on best talent available rather than desperation for a PG. He brings leadership and will help KP with his passing. When we get a good PG he can become backup.
nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.
And where were you at 14-10?
Cartman718 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
If we are getting draft picks in return, I'd certainly accept Rubio's contract which is easily movable
Is minny finding it "easily" movable??
I for one would enjoy seeing Willy and Rickey move the ball. Willy is great at making the quick pass!
fishmike wrote:Knicks are only 4 games out 8th... I could see better defense and ball movement getting them into the post season or at least playing better. Buyers beware!
id rather get a better draft pick than a first round beating
nixluva wrote:PLEASE, PLEASE let this happen!!! Rose has been such a tease with his game being so selfish and disconnected emotionally. Rose needs to go and I'd offer to drive him to Minny at this point. Just hope this really happens.
It's not about Rubio being so great but at least he loves passing the ball and making his teammates better!!!
I think rose just needs time to change his game, and he would probably look even better if it wasn't the triangle he was playing in, and JH was stricklyusing his system.
People forget, the triangle makes PG's look bad if the can shoot 3's or mid range shots, and rubio has never shot of 40% from that area
yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt this ends well for the knicks. I just do not believe in Phil's ability to make good trades.
Exactly
NYKBocker wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
I agree with BRIGGS that you have to get more due to the decline in Rubio's play. However, I don't think you can get a lottery pick out of this. It might have to be a 2 year lottery protected 1st rounder.
No Rose and a 2017 pick top 3 restricted or 0. Im not interested in Ricky Rubio--hes a back up
knicks1248 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt this ends well for the knicks. I just do not believe in Phil's ability to make good trades.
Exactly
Phil versus Layden. Should be interesting.
BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
He is not a backup he is definitely a starter
However I agree he has flaws and may not be the answer long term
I like Rubio only in rebuild terms
He will get KP, Willy, Melo and whomever we draft in 2017 lotto, the ball. Good for player development and Horny will have a PG that can run his playbook properly.
Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.
And where were you at 14-10?
ive gone back and forth on Rose but Noah I'm sure was never a good fit with the starters
If we keep Noah he needs to be a backup.
14-10 is nothing to brag about.
Geez we should be aiming for titles and contending not a few games over .500
No way we're getting a first round pick for a 1/2 season rental on Rose. I'm not a fan of Rubio but I'm now of the mindset of we need change just for the sake of change.
nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
He is not a backup he is definitely a starter
However I agree he has flaws and may not be the answer long term
I like Rubio only in rebuild terms
He will get KP, Willy, Melo and whomever we draft in 2017 lotto, the ball. Good for player development and Horny will have a PG that can run his playbook properly.
exactly... he's a very nice stop gap. Much better than maxing out Holiday while we develop our own guard(s)
nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
He is not a backup he is definitely a starter
However I agree he has flaws and may not be the answer long term
I like Rubio only in rebuild terms
He will get KP, Willy, Melo and whomever we draft in 2017 lotto, the ball. Good for player development and Horny will have a PG that can run his playbook properly.
exactly... he's a very nice stop gap. Much better than maxing out Holiday while we develop our own guard(s)
You guys realize Rubio has played in exactly zero playoff games in five years. He has moved from over hyped teenage phenom or overrated bust.
Stop gap is a very good description of Rubio. He's basically Calderon without a jump shot, but with available PGs rapidly jumping off the table (not to mention signing free agents will be more challenging as a result of the Oakley situation/Melo treatment) and the likelihood we'll probably draft PG who will need time to develop, I think he's competent enough to get us by for a year or two.
nyknickzingis wrote:Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.
And where were you at 14-10?
ive gone back and forth on Rose but Noah I'm sure was never a good fit with the starters
If we keep Noah he needs to be a backup.14-10 is nothing to brag about.
Geez we should be aiming for titles and contending not a few games over .500
But were you prophetic about it now working then? at the 4th seed, there was a buzz about the team, and of course the trajectory was the team was still coming together?
Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.
And where were you at 14-10?
ive gone back and forth on Rose but Noah I'm sure was never a good fit with the starters
If we keep Noah he needs to be a backup.14-10 is nothing to brag about.
Geez we should be aiming for titles and contending not a few games over .500
But were you prophetic about it now working then? at the 4th seed, there was a buzz about the team, and of course the trajectory was the team was still coming together?
I started bringing up Boston as our best trade partner in a Carmelo Antony trade back in 2014. While I admit to posting many wack trade scenarios, they all included Bradley, Crowder and Boston's surplus of picks. Even if the Clips are the catalyst for a Melo trade and we get Bradley, Crowder and a 1st with Melo going to LA....I still claim my mantle as UK resident prophetic Melo trade genius. If you don't believe me, just check it out with the search function
If Wolves want KOQ I would do that if I get Tyus Jones back. He's not a blue chip prospect but could be a very nice rotation player in the league with some upside.
Must get back a number one pick. Rubio and a number one taking on 2 years of Rubio who isn't that good. Essentially Rubio is the fodder in the trade. The number one pick is what the deal is about and Rose.
