Knicks · Sources: Frustrated Kristaps Porzingis skips Knicks exit meeting... (page 8)
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The guy that gave it to him is the problem. And he just spent 50 minutes telling everyone he isn't going to work on being a better executive. He is going to be a mentor.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Except that the dumb bunny gave him a ntc and a huge trade kicker. Melo will do what he wants to do. Phil gave him that right. He would be crazy to stay. The guy running things is beyond clueless.Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?Carmelo Anthony spoke to the press after the last game of the season. He was asked that is "all things were on the table", would he and Phil discuss his future. He answered by saying "Oh, no -you guys think exit interviews are a big deal but that's not what we discuss" [I paraphrased]. He then went on to talk about how much he had to think about, slightly smirking, and being coy.
Phil's presser must have hit him like a ton of bricks. Melo was going to jerk everyone around for months and in one fell swoop, Phil said, "Enough is enough".
We get it! The NTC is a problem. Still Melo has to go!
Phil is not clueless!!! If you think Phil is wrong about what kind of team he wants to build please explain what he said that was wrong? What aspects of Unselfish Team Play are wrong?
Do we want Melo Ball or Team Ball? I say F Melo! I want to see a real team playing together unselfishly and giving Max Effort on D! Melo doesn't stand for those things so I don't support him at this point. Let him take his crap elsewhere.
That's how you interpreted what Phil said. Phil clearly has a lot of work to do along with his GM Mills! Phil is not the GM. Phil is not a scout. He wants to help his young coach as much as he can and that's his prerogative. There's no rule that says a Prez can't do Mentoring.
Phil has a lot to offer a coach with limited experience. You want make this something negative but it doesn't have to be. Jeff and Phil seem to be on the same page on this. If Jeff has a problem with it he can say so. Phil says they talk all the time.
holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:nixluva wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
Nah can't pin this on Melo
KP has shown his form of rebellion and leadership already
In Feb he called out coaching staff and players
He's been pissed at his body having nick nack injuries holding him back
He is a fierce competitor that hates to loseTo me my guess is he wanted to jet stream out of NY as fast as possible to get home and to practice. He was wrong for missing this thing, but it's not about Melo or Melo influence. I think KP simply doesn't want to deal with more talk and blah blah. Just wants to go put in the work. In his last interview he was pretty clear in that he didn't want to waste time and that he wanted to get bigger stronger and live in the weight room. This season played its toll on KP. He's 21. Very unprofessional of him and Knicks should fine him but let it go since he is 21 and had a drama filled losing season to endure.
I appreciate your take but I still think it had to do with Melo. The only statement KP made was to Tweet a response to Melo's Tweet about Phil's comments on Melo. I think KP got an earful from Melo and decided at that point not to show up, Pure and simple IMO.
Also KP wasn't expressing any anger after the last few starts he had, so why all of a sudden would he be so upset??? KP had 3 20 PT games in a row before tweaking his back. The younger players had some positive performances to close the year so KP wasn't upset at all. Not until Phil said Melo needs to go!!! I could be wrong about this but it seems logical to me.
So what's was "confused from TOP to BOTTOM" statement about a few weeks ago that everyone pretended didn't happen?People keep bringing up KP's comments out of context. Here's the entire statement.
“We’ve been switching things up because at any point of this season, we never played like we wanted to,” Porzingis said after fouling out with 19 points, 10 rebounds and five blocks. “It was like, ‘Maybe this will work. Maybe this will work.’ So we’re kind of looking for stuff.“Coaches, they obviously try to do the best job they can and give us as much as they can so we have the information. But we never really got it all together and were able to execute the way we should have. It’s been a lot of confusion.”
Porzingis said the confusion is “from top to bottom. A lot of stuff that’s not clear. So it’s hard to play like that.”
“The situation is tough,” Porzingis said. “We’re not doing the right things. We’re just not working together right now. We need to find solutions. Whatever 16, 15 games we have left, we have to give everything we have so we can finish the season not regretting anything.”
The switching things up comment stems from the fact the Rose and BJ couldn't figure out the offense outside of PnR and the team as a whole couldn't figure out a way to get stops. Largely because Rose, Melo and BJ in particular were HORRENDOUS ON D.
KP started to get a groove as did the younger players as a whole and KP didn't have a reason to be angry about the style of play or execution by the time the season ended. This all popped up after Melo's Exit Meeting.
As usual, you are wrong trying to project the team's problems on players you don't like...This all started after the meeting around November 20th where the team decided to move away from the triangle..Phil was there..The players said Phil took it well..The switched style of play. They went 9-3, then Phil started his media war...Phil wasn't happy with success away from the triangle..This sews distrust with the players..The media, Melo haters included, is telling you ALL the players hate Phil..
You could say it's about Melo a million times and it doesn't mean that it is....YOU are the one that wants this to be about Phil. It's really not about the Triangle switch. Phil and Jeff both agree on the direction and the younger players showed they can execute the offense Jeff has them running.
Phil at his Press Conference was supportive of Jeff's Offense as he has tweaked the Triangle. Phil accepted Jeff's early Offense but only wanted to make sure they were able to also execute in half court, late game type situations and so they refocused on fundamentals of the Triangle. The kids actually get it and also defended better. So by the end of the season they left on a positive note.
The negativity was all about Melo being forced out. KP doesn't want that but he's not running things! I'm confident that KP will apologize to Phil and Jeff cuz he was wrong to skip the Exit Meeting. KP will get over this and assume his position as a key player going forward hopefully WITHOUT MELO!
Why did Phil speak out in the media after the team went 9-3?
What do you think he said?
look it up...You my not ave been paying attention...Phil started with saying Melo was holding the ball with a CBS interview, then Rosen came out with ahit job...
Does Melo hold the ball?
Does Rosen need Phil to observe that?
Does Phil need Rosen to speak for him?
Did the media spin the story out of context?
Well it changed the tenor of the season...Like his press conference, it showed you Phil isn't capable as the President of Basketball Operations..
People like you change the tenor of the conversation. Phil says up, you say down. The disconnect is on you.
fwk00 wrote:holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:nixluva wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
Nah can't pin this on Melo
KP has shown his form of rebellion and leadership already
In Feb he called out coaching staff and players
He's been pissed at his body having nick nack injuries holding him back
He is a fierce competitor that hates to loseTo me my guess is he wanted to jet stream out of NY as fast as possible to get home and to practice. He was wrong for missing this thing, but it's not about Melo or Melo influence. I think KP simply doesn't want to deal with more talk and blah blah. Just wants to go put in the work. In his last interview he was pretty clear in that he didn't want to waste time and that he wanted to get bigger stronger and live in the weight room. This season played its toll on KP. He's 21. Very unprofessional of him and Knicks should fine him but let it go since he is 21 and had a drama filled losing season to endure.
I appreciate your take but I still think it had to do with Melo. The only statement KP made was to Tweet a response to Melo's Tweet about Phil's comments on Melo. I think KP got an earful from Melo and decided at that point not to show up, Pure and simple IMO.
Also KP wasn't expressing any anger after the last few starts he had, so why all of a sudden would he be so upset??? KP had 3 20 PT games in a row before tweaking his back. The younger players had some positive performances to close the year so KP wasn't upset at all. Not until Phil said Melo needs to go!!! I could be wrong about this but it seems logical to me.
So what's was "confused from TOP to BOTTOM" statement about a few weeks ago that everyone pretended didn't happen?People keep bringing up KP's comments out of context. Here's the entire statement.
“We’ve been switching things up because at any point of this season, we never played like we wanted to,” Porzingis said after fouling out with 19 points, 10 rebounds and five blocks. “It was like, ‘Maybe this will work. Maybe this will work.’ So we’re kind of looking for stuff.“Coaches, they obviously try to do the best job they can and give us as much as they can so we have the information. But we never really got it all together and were able to execute the way we should have. It’s been a lot of confusion.”
Porzingis said the confusion is “from top to bottom. A lot of stuff that’s not clear. So it’s hard to play like that.”
“The situation is tough,” Porzingis said. “We’re not doing the right things. We’re just not working together right now. We need to find solutions. Whatever 16, 15 games we have left, we have to give everything we have so we can finish the season not regretting anything.”
The switching things up comment stems from the fact the Rose and BJ couldn't figure out the offense outside of PnR and the team as a whole couldn't figure out a way to get stops. Largely because Rose, Melo and BJ in particular were HORRENDOUS ON D.
KP started to get a groove as did the younger players as a whole and KP didn't have a reason to be angry about the style of play or execution by the time the season ended. This all popped up after Melo's Exit Meeting.
As usual, you are wrong trying to project the team's problems on players you don't like...This all started after the meeting around November 20th where the team decided to move away from the triangle..Phil was there..The players said Phil took it well..The switched style of play. They went 9-3, then Phil started his media war...Phil wasn't happy with success away from the triangle..This sews distrust with the players..The media, Melo haters included, is telling you ALL the players hate Phil..
You could say it's about Melo a million times and it doesn't mean that it is....YOU are the one that wants this to be about Phil. It's really not about the Triangle switch. Phil and Jeff both agree on the direction and the younger players showed they can execute the offense Jeff has them running.
Phil at his Press Conference was supportive of Jeff's Offense as he has tweaked the Triangle. Phil accepted Jeff's early Offense but only wanted to make sure they were able to also execute in half court, late game type situations and so they refocused on fundamentals of the Triangle. The kids actually get it and also defended better. So by the end of the season they left on a positive note.
The negativity was all about Melo being forced out. KP doesn't want that but he's not running things! I'm confident that KP will apologize to Phil and Jeff cuz he was wrong to skip the Exit Meeting. KP will get over this and assume his position as a key player going forward hopefully WITHOUT MELO!
Why did Phil speak out in the media after the team went 9-3?
What do you think he said?
look it up...You my not ave been paying attention...Phil started with saying Melo was holding the ball with a CBS interview, then Rosen came out with ahit job...
Does Melo hold the ball?
Does Rosen need Phil to observe that?
Does Phil need Rosen to speak for him?
Did the media spin the story out of context?
Well it changed the tenor of the season...Like his press conference, it showed you Phil isn't capable as the President of Basketball Operations..People like you change the tenor of the conversation. Phil says up, you say down. The disconnect is on you.
You might be partially correct there..Phil says he wants to control the style of play and I say allow the coach to control the style of play...This has been the problem since Phil got here..It doesn't work..This isn't basketball camp..
CrushAlot wrote:No summer of Dirk unless it is happening in Latvia. Woj reporting KP returning to Latvia for the summer.
KP said he will fly to wherever Dirk is. He's only waiting for Dirk to have time in his schedule!
nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP.
Your character is defined by the things you choose to do, your actions.
Rose is a douchebag for going AWOL.
Zinger is a douchebag for going AWOL.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Being a professional is about RESPECTING YOURSELF.
Things were not always so rosy for Stephen Curry. Monta Ellis went through entire stretches of never passing him the ball. Don Nelson went senile on him. After he was drafted, the Warriors went on an ugly streak of drafting bust after bust. He had issues with his ankles. No matter what, he was a PROFESSIONAL and HE PLAYED THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY
Be a professional means you do your job and do it right , even when things are bad, and nothing changes when thing are good, you are still the hard working and reliable guy everyone counts on in the end.
No excuses for Zinger. He can literally go f**k himself. Like Les Grossman says, Zinger can literally go f**k himself in the face.
Bizarre and pathetic and sad that so many Knicks can't act like a true professional.
TripleThreat wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP.Your character is defined by the things you choose to do, your actions.
Rose is a douchebag for going AWOL.
Zinger is a douchebag for going AWOL.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Being a professional is about RESPECTING YOURSELF.
Things were not always so rosy for Stephen Curry. Monta Ellis went through entire stretches of never passing him the ball. Don Nelson went senile on him. After he was drafted, the Warriors went on an ugly streak of drafting bust after bust. He had issues with his ankles. No matter what, he was a PROFESSIONAL and HE PLAYED THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY
Be a professional means you do your job and do it right , even when things are bad, and nothing changes when thing are good, you are still the hard working and reliable guy everyone counts on in the end.
No excuses for Zinger. He can literally go f**k himself. Like Les Grossman says, Zinger can literally go f**k himself in the face.
Bizarre and pathetic and sad that so many Knicks can't act like a true professional.
I'm in this boat without the flair of face fucking.
If KP wanted to make a point, do it in the exit interview and say it loud and clear. Be a professional.
We don't know what exactly broke the last straw with him but this is not the way to handle things.
TripleThreat wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP.Your character is defined by the things you choose to do, your actions.
Rose is a douchebag for going AWOL.
Zinger is a douchebag for going AWOL.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Being a professional is about RESPECTING YOURSELF.
Things were not always so rosy for Stephen Curry. Monta Ellis went through entire stretches of never passing him the ball. Don Nelson went senile on him. After he was drafted, the Warriors went on an ugly streak of drafting bust after bust. He had issues with his ankles. No matter what, he was a PROFESSIONAL and HE PLAYED THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY
Be a professional means you do your job and do it right , even when things are bad, and nothing changes when thing are good, you are still the hard working and reliable guy everyone counts on in the end.
No excuses for Zinger. He can literally go f**k himself. Like Les Grossman says, Zinger can literally go f**k himself in the face.
Bizarre and pathetic and sad that so many Knicks can't act like a true professional.
There's a difference in that Rose is a grown ass man with years more likely from experience and KP is just getting started. It doesn't excuse what he did but it does inform on his level of maturity. Also no one is defined by their worst day. KP can make up for this. He didn't murder a puppy. KP may have already talked to Phil.
martin wrote:I have this in the back of my mind: I wonder if the KP skipping of exit interview lent to Phil being even more clear in his press conference about the direction of the team re Melo, defense, Triangle, holding of accountability from front office to coaches to players.
It just might. Phil clearly feels Melo was not a good influence or role model. Phil wants to reassert control and discipline and stop the insubordination. We can't have the inmates running things. There has to be order and respect for leadership.
So while the outcome of his actions is problematic, his motivations are noble, which is a real silver lining to this otherwise unfortunate development.
KP is sticking up for a teammate and a friend
I don't see where this is the main reason.
KP had countless opportunities to talk about this, and never once complained about the Melo trade talk.
He said Melo was good for him. He is friends with Melo, yes.
I think this is his own frustration.
Can't put this on Melo or the situation with Melo. I am interested to hear from KP's side. He hasn't said anything. Someone should reach him or his agent. This is very unprofessional, sort of like something a free agent on his way out from a team would do. Not a player who is seen as the main building block.
I feel the main reasons are
1- Losing
2- Drama
3- Not happy with constant coaching changes (3 coaches)
4- Not happy with system changes again and again
5- Not happy with his injuries
I think he's just saying what he thinks are true and not sugar coating anything
As others said KP should have attended an exit interview and said whatever he felt. Not attending is bad on many levels. No excuses
Knixkik wrote:I wonder, did KP miss a scheduled meeting, meaning "no call, no show"? Or did he not return a call to set up a meeting for a specific time? I want to know the specifics on this before truly judging anyone in this situation. This information would be necessary to know if KP was acting unprofessional or not.
Wasn't the professional thing to do, but I still dont blame him. As I said before, would rather KP makes some kind of a statement now about his displeasure with the direction of the team, than down the road.
Other ways of doing it I suppose. Still, considering the way the team president has behaved at times this season, Phil set the tone for all the acrimony. This is just par for the course.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:I wonder, did KP miss a scheduled meeting, meaning "no call, no show"? Or did he not return a call to set up a meeting for a specific time? I want to know the specifics on this before truly judging anyone in this situation. This information would be necessary to know if KP was acting unprofessional or not.Wasn't the professional thing to do, but I still dont blame him. As I said before, would rather KP makes some kind of a statement now about his displeasure with the direction of the team, than down the road.
Other ways of doing it I suppose. Still, considering the way the team president has behaved at times this season, Phil set the tone for all the acrimony. This is just par for the course.
Yeah its not a good look either way. I am sure they will work out their differences though pretty quickly.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:I wonder, did KP miss a scheduled meeting, meaning "no call, no show"? Or did he not return a call to set up a meeting for a specific time? I want to know the specifics on this before truly judging anyone in this situation. This information would be necessary to know if KP was acting unprofessional or not.Wasn't the professional thing to do, but I still dont blame him. As I said before, would rather KP makes some kind of a statement now about his displeasure with the direction of the team, than down the road.
Other ways of doing it I suppose. Still, considering the way the team president has behaved at times this season, Phil set the tone for all the acrimony. This is just par for the course.
KP was the only one to do this. I think he should have had his meeting and if he wanted to actually make his wishes heard that was the way to do it. What does he really accomplish by NOT TALKING? Now Phil has no idea what KP feels except he's unhappy about Something! Can't fix a question mark.
I still think this was all about Melo. Things had stabilized before the end of the season! The kids started playing better and doing exactly what Phil and Jeff wanted from the team so why would KP be upset about the team finally executing as A TEAM???