Knicks · Sources: Frustrated Kristaps Porzingis skips Knicks exit meeting... (page 3)
martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
When it comes to Phil Nix is...
However you can't say he doesn't sound bitter when he talks about Melo but when you agree with an opinion it sounds much sweeter.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
what explanation do you need..the dude isn't dumb, and phils press conference was absolutely brain dead, with no direction..Phil is not going to let the coach do him, and the players don't like it, and you're constantly throwing your best player under the bus, the one he wants to trade
Melo has way more respect around this league than PHIL..Nix face it, we are doom for the next 2 yrs.
But you know whats going to happen, Phil will make a horrible trade for some trash, sign some more bad contracts like NOAH (there isn't a decent FA coming here)
I notice you left you other whipping boy rose out of your comment, now it's just melo..Why because Phil is going to sign him for 4 yrs(2 yrs after he's gone)
It's just a matter of time before you wake up
KP is young and may not fully understand what's in his best interests. Phil was actually very clear in his Press Conference.
Who gives a flip what the rest of the league feels about Melo? Why should we care if people like Phil as opposed to Melo? All that matters is what's best for the team and IMO, Melo is not good for the team.
I still have issues with Rose. I don't expect Phil to bring Rose back. Keeping that option open isn't a guarantee that he's bringing Rose back. Phil said he basically considers Rose a scoring guard and not a PG and I agree.
Players sign because of other players on the team, not because of no president or GM..Players don't feel melo is the problem, and thats been echoed around the league.Phil only cares about his triangle brand..
Melo is most definitely not the SOLUTION!!!
As for Phil I find it amazing how misunderstood he is by the Media and some fans. All Phil stands for is real TEAM BASKETBALL. If you actually listened to his comments at the press conference he spoke about how Jeff is running his motion offense with early PnR and other actions that can lead into more of the Triangle stuff and that the kids actually GOT IT at the end of the season and Phil was pleased!!!
So no, Jeff isn't being handcuffed and the young players and remaining vets were playing as a team. Those are all good signs for the future.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
what explanation do you need..the dude isn't dumb, and phils press conference was absolutely brain dead, with no direction..Phil is not going to let the coach do him, and the players don't like it, and you're constantly throwing your best player under the bus, the one he wants to trade
Melo has way more respect around this league than PHIL..Nix face it, we are doom for the next 2 yrs.
But you know whats going to happen, Phil will make a horrible trade for some trash, sign some more bad contracts like NOAH (there isn't a decent FA coming here)
I notice you left you other whipping boy rose out of your comment, now it's just melo..Why because Phil is going to sign him for 4 yrs(2 yrs after he's gone)
It's just a matter of time before you wake up
KP is young and may not fully understand what's in his best interests. Phil was actually very clear in his Press Conference.
Who gives a flip what the rest of the league feels about Melo? Why should we care if people like Phil as opposed to Melo? All that matters is what's best for the team and IMO, Melo is not good for the team.
I still have issues with Rose. I don't expect Phil to bring Rose back. Keeping that option open isn't a guarantee that he's bringing Rose back. Phil said he basically considers Rose a scoring guard and not a PG and I agree.
Players sign because of other players on the team, not because of no president or GM..Players don't feel melo is the problem, and thats been echoed around the league.Phil only cares about his triangle brand..
Other players don't think Melo is the problem?
They must be lining up to sign then.
nykshaknbake wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Phil isn't going to let KP get away with this. It's embarrassing to him and their will be retribution.
You mean the way he got a pound of flesh from Rose for skipping a game.
fwk00 wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Phil isn't going to let KP get away with this. It's embarrassing to him and their will be retribution.
You mean the way he got a pound of flesh from Rose for skipping a game.
Yeah cuz Phil is such a tyrant. SMH! I can't wait for Melo to be traded and for KP to mature on his own! Free of Melo's influence and poor example. I really thought Melo was finally getting it last year but he'll never change.
It is easy when all is hunky dory and team is winning, the players are clicking, and organization is rolling.
But when times are tough being young and talented is not enough to handle this.
I think it is good for him and for the organization to get it cool down.
He is team property and the exit interview is just a formality which is used to drag players through the media hell.
I am sure he spoke with Phil and coaches and asked to excuse him from this messy activity.
I believe it was a right thing to do after all massive expectations and bubble press and fans created around Kristaps.
crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.
Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
what explanation do you need..the dude isn't dumb, and phils press conference was absolutely brain dead, with no direction..Phil is not going to let the coach do him, and the players don't like it, and you're constantly throwing your best player under the bus, the one he wants to trade
Melo has way more respect around this league than PHIL..Nix face it, we are doom for the next 2 yrs.
But you know whats going to happen, Phil will make a horrible trade for some trash, sign some more bad contracts like NOAH (there isn't a decent FA coming here)
I notice you left you other whipping boy rose out of your comment, now it's just melo..Why because Phil is going to sign him for 4 yrs(2 yrs after he's gone)
It's just a matter of time before you wake up
KP is young and may not fully understand what's in his best interests. Phil was actually very clear in his Press Conference.
Who gives a flip what the rest of the league feels about Melo? Why should we care if people like Phil as opposed to Melo? All that matters is what's best for the team and IMO, Melo is not good for the team.
I still have issues with Rose. I don't expect Phil to bring Rose back. Keeping that option open isn't a guarantee that he's bringing Rose back. Phil said he basically considers Rose a scoring guard and not a PG and I agree.
Players sign because of other players on the team, not because of no president or GM..Players don't feel melo is the problem, and thats been echoed around the league.Phil only cares about his triangle brand..
Other players don't think Melo is the problem?
They must be lining up to sign then.
You got it backwards - they'll be staying away like the plague after this season.
Phil's treatment of Melo
Dolan's treatment of Oakley.
You think this stuff is forgotten?
So now we have Rose going AWOL and KP skipping his exit interview. But the problem couldn't possibly be the management issue everyone in the league can see. No. It's Melo.
Like I say for most of your posts - the delusion runs deep at MSG.
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.
Signs? 31 games, bad people acting bad. Owner is bad, Phil is bad,got big contracts with unhealthy attitudes, injures or just acting bad. Phil told the truth. Nothing he said was wrong. I'll tell you Phil was bad too, and its true.
Problems are deep, we as a franchise in this city just ruin good players, good writers, good coach's, good execs...>Phil is the greetest coach of all time, mega smart, and here he is bad. Isiah, he was a bad exec in Toronto, but we made him worse. Walsh, the man is awesome, and we ruined him. Put him in a wheel chair. I mean we hired walsh, and we sucked the life out of him. THE MAN COULD NOT WALK!
MDA, great coach. Then he was our coach. He actually left. Larry, he great coach, but always ended bad after a few years and he turns around a franchise. Not here, we not only ruin him, but quick!! One year, and.......He got 18 mil for one year. MDA got messed up, he got his knee replaced! Again, tried to cripple another! And think of this, JVG was still young and he letter a month into the season!!! Who does that? LEAVES? We tried to kill him. Don Nelson, 56 games? Then we fire him with like years left on his contract. YEARS!!! We fire GM's like cigarettes! We fired Layden and bought in Isiah in DECEMBER? Who does that? Fired Grunwald a month before the season starts?? Think about Grunfeld getting fired because JVG succeeded and earned a two year extension, and in the end, he proved to be correct in the direction of the team!!!
We really are about the worst franchise. Blame don't matter!
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
The problem is not Melo.
The problem is Phil. It is the Triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek. It is the lack of clear communication. KP said this himself. You just weren't listening because Phil told you it was Melo's fault. Go back and read KP's top to bottom comment. He said it is the coaching staff.
Who do you think Courtney Lee was referring to with his Dumb and Dumber post? Melo and Rose? Noooope. I'll spell it out for you again - it is Phil. It is the triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek.
if you need to blame Melo, go for it. That ain't the problem. As made evident by KP telling Phil to fuck off. Phil has fucked up massively. If he loses KP he's toast.
Nalod wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Signs? 31 games, bad people acting bad. Owner is bad, Phil is bad,got big contracts with unhealthy attitudes, injures or just acting bad. Phil told the truth. Nothing he said was wrong. I'll tell you Phil was bad too, and its true.
Problems are deep, we as a franchise in this city just ruin good players, good writers, good coach's, good execs...>Phil is the greetest coach of all time, mega smart, and here he is bad. Isiah, he was a bad exec in Toronto, but we made him worse. Walsh, the man is awesome, and we ruined him. Put him in a wheel chair. I mean we hired walsh, and we sucked the life out of him. THE MAN COULD NOT WALK!MDA, great coach. Then he was our coach. He actually left. Larry, he great coach, but always ended bad after a few years and he turns around a franchise. Not here, we not only ruin him, but quick!! One year, and.......He got 18 mil for one year. MDA got messed up, he got his knee replaced! Again, tried to cripple another! And think of this, JVG was still young and he letter a month into the season!!! Who does that? LEAVES? We tried to kill him. Don Nelson, 56 games? Then we fire him with like years left on his contract. YEARS!!! We fire GM's like cigarettes! We fired Layden and bought in Isiah in DECEMBER? Who does that? Fired Grunwald a month before the season starts?? Think about Grunfeld getting fired because JVG succeeded and earned a two year extension, and in the end, he proved to be correct in the direction of the team!!!
We really are about the worst franchise. Blame don't matter!
Yes, the Garden is a fucked up place. I got nothing. I actually agree with you - we destroy everything good. I have to think it's Dolan and his yes men. Dolan has security dudes on staff who embarrassed Charles Oakley. This is karma.
I do not think Phil is a bad person but I am being honest when I say he's done a shit job as president. Obviously he was a great coach. He's not coaching here. And a big part of the problem is the weird coaching chain of command. Rambis's role is a problem. Phil making Hornacek run the triangle, a system Hornacek does not know, is a problem. Who's the coach? Rambis? Phil? Hornacek? I guarantee this situation is why Rose went AWOL and why CLee posted "Dumb and Dumber" and why Melo lost his shit at halftime in Brooklyn and why KP said they're a mess from top to bottom. I've been saying this all year. Phil has created a mess. Chain of command from the coaching staff. No one respects Hornacek except the guys on short contracts who are playing for their lives.
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
The problem is not Melo.
The problem is Phil. It is the Triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek. It is the lack of clear communication. KP said this himself. You just weren't listening because Phil told you it was Melo's fault. Go back and read KP's top to bottom comment. He said it is the coaching staff.
Who do you think Courtney Lee was referring to with his Dumb and Dumber post? Melo and Rose? Noooope. I'll spell it out for you again - it is Phil. It is the triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek.
if you need to blame Melo, go for it. That ain't the problem. As made evident by KP telling Phil to fuck off. Phil has fucked up massively. If he loses KP he's toast.
The problem is MOST DEFINITELY MELO! You have to see how Melo is a negative influence at this point. I think Melo did a piss poor job of leading this year.
As for KP I don't fault him for supporting his boy Melo. In time KP will realize that Phil was right!!! Team Ball is the right approach to winning. What does Melo stand for??? Certainly not winning.
The vets were very resistant but CLee is a pro and he eventually did his job and bought into what the coach wanted. Minus Melo, Rose and BJ we saw the kids actually buying in and giving Max Effort. They didn't have any agendas. It was all about team.
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
The problem is not Melo.
The problem is Phil. It is the Triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek. It is the lack of clear communication. KP said this himself. You just weren't listening because Phil told you it was Melo's fault. Go back and read KP's top to bottom comment. He said it is the coaching staff.
Who do you think Courtney Lee was referring to with his Dumb and Dumber post? Melo and Rose? Noooope. I'll spell it out for you again - it is Phil. It is the triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek.
if you need to blame Melo, go for it. That ain't the problem. As made evident by KP telling Phil to fuck off. Phil has fucked up massively. If he loses KP he's toast.
The problem is MOST DEFINITELY MELO! You have to see how Melo is a negative influence at this point. I think Melo did a piss poor job of leading this year.
As for KP I don't fault him for supporting his boy Melo. In time KP will realize that Phil was right!!! Team Ball is the right approach to winning. What does Melo stand for??? Certainly not winning.
The vets were very resistant but CLee is a pro and he eventually did his job and bought into what the coach wanted. Minus Melo, Rose and BJ we saw the kids actually buying in and giving Max Effort. They didn't have any agendas. It was all about team.
Phil's going to re-sign Rose. You realize this, right?
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
The problem is not Melo.
The problem is Phil. It is the Triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek. It is the lack of clear communication. KP said this himself. You just weren't listening because Phil told you it was Melo's fault. Go back and read KP's top to bottom comment. He said it is the coaching staff.
Who do you think Courtney Lee was referring to with his Dumb and Dumber post? Melo and Rose? Noooope. I'll spell it out for you again - it is Phil. It is the triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek.
if you need to blame Melo, go for it. That ain't the problem. As made evident by KP telling Phil to fuck off. Phil has fucked up massively. If he loses KP he's toast.
The problem is MOST DEFINITELY MELO! You have to see how Melo is a negative influence at this point. I think Melo did a piss poor job of leading this year.
As for KP I don't fault him for supporting his boy Melo. In time KP will realize that Phil was right!!! Team Ball is the right approach to winning. What does Melo stand for??? Certainly not winning.
The vets were very resistant but CLee is a pro and he eventually did his job and bought into what the coach wanted. Minus Melo, Rose and BJ we saw the kids actually buying in and giving Max Effort. They didn't have any agendas. It was all about team.
Phil's going to re-sign Rose. You realize this, right?
That's okay because this time he knows Rose is only an attack guard not a point guard. Plus, Phil will pull on his leg and make him do some squats to make sure those balky knees are not acting up.
yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
The problem is not Melo.
The problem is Phil. It is the Triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek. It is the lack of clear communication. KP said this himself. You just weren't listening because Phil told you it was Melo's fault. Go back and read KP's top to bottom comment. He said it is the coaching staff.
Who do you think Courtney Lee was referring to with his Dumb and Dumber post? Melo and Rose? Noooope. I'll spell it out for you again - it is Phil. It is the triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek.
if you need to blame Melo, go for it. That ain't the problem. As made evident by KP telling Phil to fuck off. Phil has fucked up massively. If he loses KP he's toast.
The problem is MOST DEFINITELY MELO! You have to see how Melo is a negative influence at this point. I think Melo did a piss poor job of leading this year.
As for KP I don't fault him for supporting his boy Melo. In time KP will realize that Phil was right!!! Team Ball is the right approach to winning. What does Melo stand for??? Certainly not winning.
The vets were very resistant but CLee is a pro and he eventually did his job and bought into what the coach wanted. Minus Melo, Rose and BJ we saw the kids actually buying in and giving Max Effort. They didn't have any agendas. It was all about team.
Phil's going to re-sign Rose. You realize this, right?
That's okay because this time he knows Rose is only an attack guard not a point guard. Plus, Phil will pull on his leg and make him do some squats to make sure those balky knees are not acting up.
I actually like Rose ok. As a shooting guard. Off the bench.
But it's simple math now - no free agent will come to the Knicks and no team will make Rose a big offer other than the Knicks. Desperation on both sides. Phil will need another scorer capable of dropping 20ppg with Melo gone. Rose is coming back.
crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:You guys believe me yet that Phil isn't doing a great job and it's not all peaches and cream in Knicksland? This is a very bad sign. The problems run deeper than Melo. Phil has allowed this to infect the whole team.Allowed WHAT to infect the team? All I saw was a team full of guys playing hard for each other and there wasn't really a deeper issue at all. Some people want there to be some kind of strife that lasts after Melo is gone.
I think you were watching through rose colored lenses. The dysfunction was plain as day to anyone paying attention.
Why do you think Rose went AWOL again? Melo's defense?
Please Rose going AWOL is on his crazy ass. What is it that could excuse Melo for his own on court performance? I think guys like Melo, Rose and BJ are the kind of Vets that were resistant to coaching and a poisonous influence on the rest of the roster. It's not hard to see that once they weren't there how the team responded to the coaches.
The problem is KP is too close to Melo and I'm sure on those road trips the convo about Phil has been all one sided and negative from a Melo point of view. It's not hard to imagine KP taking his buddy's side of things.
The problem is not Melo.
The problem is Phil. It is the Triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek. It is the lack of clear communication. KP said this himself. You just weren't listening because Phil told you it was Melo's fault. Go back and read KP's top to bottom comment. He said it is the coaching staff.
Who do you think Courtney Lee was referring to with his Dumb and Dumber post? Melo and Rose? Noooope. I'll spell it out for you again - it is Phil. It is the triangle. It is Rambis. It is Hornacek.
if you need to blame Melo, go for it. That ain't the problem. As made evident by KP telling Phil to fuck off. Phil has fucked up massively. If he loses KP he's toast.
The problem is MOST DEFINITELY MELO! You have to see how Melo is a negative influence at this point. I think Melo did a piss poor job of leading this year.
As for KP I don't fault him for supporting his boy Melo. In time KP will realize that Phil was right!!! Team Ball is the right approach to winning. What does Melo stand for??? Certainly not winning.
The vets were very resistant but CLee is a pro and he eventually did his job and bought into what the coach wanted. Minus Melo, Rose and BJ we saw the kids actually buying in and giving Max Effort. They didn't have any agendas. It was all about team.
Phil's going to re-sign Rose. You realize this, right?
That's okay because this time he knows Rose is only an attack guard not a point guard. Plus, Phil will pull on his leg and make him do some squats to make sure those balky knees are not acting up.
I actually like Rose ok. As a shooting guard. Off the bench.
But it's simple math now - no free agent will come to the Knicks and no team will make Rose a big offer other than the Knicks. Desperation on both sides. Phil will need another scorer capable of dropping 20ppg with Melo gone. Rose is coming back.
I would be okay with Rose coming off the bench for another team at >$5m. I think the Knicks will still get FAs to come here because the Knicks continue to overpay players.