Knicks · Sources: Frustrated Kristaps Porzingis skips Knicks exit meeting... (page 5)
smackeddog wrote:or could it be that things are just this bad. KP was on the team last year for round one of the triangle reset with Rambis.Vmart wrote:This is why Melo got to go. His influence is high with the young ones. This is an example of Melo leadership. KP needed to do the exit interview unless Knicks management told him he doesn't need to do one.Yup, him and Rose have taught him badly. I like KP a lot but where does a second year player with a whole lot to work on have the arrogance to skip an exit meeting? Pathetic. I think it's disgraceful stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up trading him to Boston for their Brooklyn pick if they end up top 3, and I'd give some serious thought to that.
Phil made two embarrassingly bad trades, Noah is probably the 2nd worse move in the history of the franchise.
You can't be smug and manage from your high horse.
This franchise sucks, it has for a very long time. Perception is reality. No one will ever want to play here. Lebron sounded the alarm on Phil and the way he has callously called out Melo in the media is childish and will deter free agents.
KP sees this. He sees how Oakley was removed from the garden, he sees how the owner maliciously told the media one of our all time great players has a alcohol problem and needs help, he sees the childish nature parading, Wilkens, Spreewell, herb, etc to make up for his incompetence. He sees the owner threatening a fan and then calling him an acoholic. He sees 7 playoff wins in 15 years. This has nothing to do with melo and everything to do with being a part of the worst franchise in professional sports, 3 coaches in his 2 seasons, 30 new players since joining the league and not a fucking plan in site.
If you know players you know Rose doesn't make his teammates better and he was able to do what he did with the Bulls because the players fit perfect because they played defense and didn't need the ball, yet he traded an above average center for someone that wouldn't make KP better. Two assets gone nothing in return. He knows Melo is going next, nothing in return.
I would have skipped that exit interview too!
MS wrote:This is about a lack of direction.Phil made two embarrassingly bad trades, Noah is probably the 2nd worse move in the history of the franchise.
You can't be smug and manage from your high horse.
This franchise sucks, it has for a very long time. Perception is reality. No one will ever want to play here. Lebron sounded the alarm on Phil and the way he has callously called out Melo in the media is childish and will deter free agents.
KP sees this. He sees how Oakley was removed from the garden, he sees how the owner maliciously told the media one of our all time great players has a alcohol problem and needs help, he sees the childish nature parading, Wilkens, Spreewell, herb, etc to make up for his incompetence. He sees the owner threatening a fan and then calling him an acoholic. He sees 7 playoff wins in 15 years. This has nothing to do with melo and everything to do with being a part of the worst franchise in professional sports, 3 coaches in his 2 seasons, 30 new players since joining the league and not a fucking plan in site.
If you know players you know Rose doesn't make his teammates better and he was able to do what he did with the Bulls because the players fit perfect because they played defense and didn't need the ball, yet he traded an above average center for someone that wouldn't make KP better. Two assets gone nothing in return. He knows Melo is going next, nothing in return.
I would have skipped that exit interview too!
Yep. When you lay it out like that, it's kind of amazing anyone defends Phil. KP doesn't exist in bubble wrap. He's seeing all this mess in real time every day.
I think this is about everything
His own injuries
His team not meeting expectations
His team and coaches not meshing
His friend Melo being told he's getting shipped out
I think he is extremely competitive. He wants to get back to the gym. I saw his interview after the last game id season and he said that he just wants to get to the gym two times a day right away - weight lifting and basketball two times a day
Look for KP to come into 2017-18 a monster and having a chip on his shoulder. I'm happy KP is pissed. Guys who like to lose or are ok with losing never become winners. KP has a winners mentality ... he's going to be better off because of this attitude
HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
Bitter, stubborn and with no logic.
Phil was brought here to change the culture- What culture has he built? Throw coaches and players under the bus? Give up on guys after one year? Try to win now and also build for the future? When buiding now make sure you pick guys that may break down in a month? When building for the future by drafting guys and then trading them within a year?
Now that the only reason, most on here, keep using to defend Phil, has shown he is not happy with Phil, the logic is to stay with the same stubborn view that Phil is headed in the right direction. Because when the "Future of the Franchise" does these type of things, its a good indication the person in command has control and is headed in the right direction?
The culture Phil has brought actually irks many fans and he summarized it in the press conference when asked about tanking. His reply (I'm paraphrasing) was, "That's not how we play, we play to win." Just because Melo doesn't get that message, doesn't mean it isn't being transmitted loud and clear. For Melo to whine about "I want to win" could not be more absurd.
Another cultural milestone is Phil's loyalty to Hornacek. Melo and his gang ran Rambis out and Phil was having none of a second act. the players don't employ the coaches, the team does. What coach was "thrown under the bus"? The coach who was too busy having an affair rather than tend to the business of getting the team off to a strong start?
Phil's respect for the difficulties of being a player between a rock and a hard place was evident in his handling of Rose. He could have been a draconian A-hole about the incident but he wasn't. The media spins this as a sign of weakness instead of strength. When he talks about Noah he called him a "warrior" - a word long associated with Ewing and Oakley. Yet fans who make a BFD about the Oakley/Dolan incident have no problem treating Noah (and Rose) like garbage. The misfortune of players injuries does not signify a bad trade. Injuries are part of the game and open a door to opportunity both for the injured and the player in waiting. The Noah trade turned out to be an exchange for Hernangomez. But fans are suddenly fiscal accountants rather than rational talent evaluators.
And the players Phil has brought in are what he can afford, find, and legitimately identify as fitting. Many are here one year and are quickly signed by contenders. Wow. What a failure.
Who knows if the team is headed in any direction. The chemistry of the players and coaches dictate that. What is observable and obvious is that the general talent level keeps rising. At some point there's a tipping point where it will suddenly click and we'll hopefully see a GSW kind of breakout season. But no one can guarantee a thing. And you know that so why the chronic whining? There are twenty-nine other teams who sell T-Shirts - find one you like and go. Like Melo, you may need a change of scenery.
fwk00 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
Bitter, stubborn and with no logic.
Phil was brought here to change the culture- What culture has he built? Throw coaches and players under the bus? Give up on guys after one year? Try to win now and also build for the future? When buiding now make sure you pick guys that may break down in a month? When building for the future by drafting guys and then trading them within a year?
Now that the only reason, most on here, keep using to defend Phil, has shown he is not happy with Phil, the logic is to stay with the same stubborn view that Phil is headed in the right direction. Because when the "Future of the Franchise" does these type of things, its a good indication the person in command has control and is headed in the right direction?
The culture Phil has brought actually irks many fans and he summarized it in the press conference when asked about tanking. His reply (I'm paraphrasing) was, "That's not how we play, we play to win." Just because Melo doesn't get that message, doesn't mean it isn't being transmitted loud and clear. For Melo to whine about "I want to win" could not be more absurd.
Another cultural milestone is Phil's loyalty to Hornacek. Melo and his gang ran Rambis out and Phil was having none of a second act. the players don't employ the coaches, the team does. What coach was "thrown under the bus"? The coach who was too busy having an affair rather than tend to the business of getting the team off to a strong start?
Phil's respect for the difficulties of being a player between a rock and a hard place was evident in his handling of Rose. He could have been a draconian A-hole about the incident but he wasn't. The media spins this as a sign of weakness instead of strength. When he talks about Noah he called him a "warrior" - a word long associated with Ewing and Oakley. Yet fans who make a BFD about the Oakley/Dolan incident have no problem treating Noah (and Rose) like garbage. The misfortune of players injuries does not signify a bad trade. Injuries are part of the game and open a door to opportunity both for the injured and the player in waiting. The Noah trade turned out to be an exchange for Hernangomez. But fans are suddenly fiscal accountants rather than rational talent evaluators.
And the players Phil has brought in are what he can afford, find, and legitimately identify as fitting. Many are here one year and are quickly signed by contenders. Wow. What a failure.
Who knows if the team is headed in any direction. The chemistry of the players and coaches dictate that. What is observable and obvious is that the general talent level keeps rising. At some point there's a tipping point where it will suddenly click and we'll hopefully see a GSW kind of breakout season. But no one can guarantee a thing. And you know that so why the chronic whining? There are twenty-nine other teams who sell T-Shirts - find one you like and go. Like Melo, you may need a change of scenery.
Yes, who can forget when the contending Sacramento Kings snatched up Arron Afflalo. Man, do you actually believe the things you're typing? Or when the contending Moscow team signed Alexie Shved.
You can spin it however you like it. But reactions around the league, including from KP, say that many do not agree with you.
He has not supported Hornacek. He's made his job impossible by repeatedly undercutting him. Hornacek has no chance here now. I feel bad for him. Fisher at least had a backbone and wouldn't let Phil run his practices. So Phil fired him.
But I assure you - the rest of the league sees what is happening here. And it's not the Garden's version they're seeing.
crzymdups wrote:fwk00 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
Bitter, stubborn and with no logic.
Phil was brought here to change the culture- What culture has he built? Throw coaches and players under the bus? Give up on guys after one year? Try to win now and also build for the future? When buiding now make sure you pick guys that may break down in a month? When building for the future by drafting guys and then trading them within a year?
Now that the only reason, most on here, keep using to defend Phil, has shown he is not happy with Phil, the logic is to stay with the same stubborn view that Phil is headed in the right direction. Because when the "Future of the Franchise" does these type of things, its a good indication the person in command has control and is headed in the right direction?
The culture Phil has brought actually irks many fans and he summarized it in the press conference when asked about tanking. His reply (I'm paraphrasing) was, "That's not how we play, we play to win." Just because Melo doesn't get that message, doesn't mean it isn't being transmitted loud and clear. For Melo to whine about "I want to win" could not be more absurd.
Another cultural milestone is Phil's loyalty to Hornacek. Melo and his gang ran Rambis out and Phil was having none of a second act. the players don't employ the coaches, the team does. What coach was "thrown under the bus"? The coach who was too busy having an affair rather than tend to the business of getting the team off to a strong start?
Phil's respect for the difficulties of being a player between a rock and a hard place was evident in his handling of Rose. He could have been a draconian A-hole about the incident but he wasn't. The media spins this as a sign of weakness instead of strength. When he talks about Noah he called him a "warrior" - a word long associated with Ewing and Oakley. Yet fans who make a BFD about the Oakley/Dolan incident have no problem treating Noah (and Rose) like garbage. The misfortune of players injuries does not signify a bad trade. Injuries are part of the game and open a door to opportunity both for the injured and the player in waiting. The Noah trade turned out to be an exchange for Hernangomez. But fans are suddenly fiscal accountants rather than rational talent evaluators.
And the players Phil has brought in are what he can afford, find, and legitimately identify as fitting. Many are here one year and are quickly signed by contenders. Wow. What a failure.
Who knows if the team is headed in any direction. The chemistry of the players and coaches dictate that. What is observable and obvious is that the general talent level keeps rising. At some point there's a tipping point where it will suddenly click and we'll hopefully see a GSW kind of breakout season. But no one can guarantee a thing. And you know that so why the chronic whining? There are twenty-nine other teams who sell T-Shirts - find one you like and go. Like Melo, you may need a change of scenery.
Yes, who can forget when the contending Sacramento Kings snatched up Arron Afflalo. Man, do you actually believe the things you're typing? Or when the contending Moscow team signed Alexie Shved.
You can spin it however you like it. But reactions around the league, including from KP, say that many do not agree with you.
He has not supported Hornacek. He's made his job impossible by repeatedly undercutting him. Hornacek has no chance here now. I feel bad for him. Fisher at least had a backbone and wouldn't let Phil run his practices. So Phil fired him.
But I assure you - the rest of the league sees what is happening here. And it's not the Garden's version they're seeing.
Phil explained that when when he was coaching the championship Bulls teams he encouraged any coach to intervene if they saw something wrong and appreciated Hornacek's continuation of that practice with him. He also talked about Hornacek only coaching for a short time - hence having Rambis and himself as resources to get it right.
You want to and can spin all this as something terrible but in what world is a guy who won 11 rings ignored by a third year coach as unwelcome input. Hornacek will be a much better coach for the experience and will someday wax poetic about the experience. The losing record throws shade on everything but once the winning starts they'll be talk of, "we started getting it right during those dark years of losing."
fwk00 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fwk00 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
Bitter, stubborn and with no logic.
Phil was brought here to change the culture- What culture has he built? Throw coaches and players under the bus? Give up on guys after one year? Try to win now and also build for the future? When buiding now make sure you pick guys that may break down in a month? When building for the future by drafting guys and then trading them within a year?
Now that the only reason, most on here, keep using to defend Phil, has shown he is not happy with Phil, the logic is to stay with the same stubborn view that Phil is headed in the right direction. Because when the "Future of the Franchise" does these type of things, its a good indication the person in command has control and is headed in the right direction?
The culture Phil has brought actually irks many fans and he summarized it in the press conference when asked about tanking. His reply (I'm paraphrasing) was, "That's not how we play, we play to win." Just because Melo doesn't get that message, doesn't mean it isn't being transmitted loud and clear. For Melo to whine about "I want to win" could not be more absurd.
Another cultural milestone is Phil's loyalty to Hornacek. Melo and his gang ran Rambis out and Phil was having none of a second act. the players don't employ the coaches, the team does. What coach was "thrown under the bus"? The coach who was too busy having an affair rather than tend to the business of getting the team off to a strong start?
Phil's respect for the difficulties of being a player between a rock and a hard place was evident in his handling of Rose. He could have been a draconian A-hole about the incident but he wasn't. The media spins this as a sign of weakness instead of strength. When he talks about Noah he called him a "warrior" - a word long associated with Ewing and Oakley. Yet fans who make a BFD about the Oakley/Dolan incident have no problem treating Noah (and Rose) like garbage. The misfortune of players injuries does not signify a bad trade. Injuries are part of the game and open a door to opportunity both for the injured and the player in waiting. The Noah trade turned out to be an exchange for Hernangomez. But fans are suddenly fiscal accountants rather than rational talent evaluators.
And the players Phil has brought in are what he can afford, find, and legitimately identify as fitting. Many are here one year and are quickly signed by contenders. Wow. What a failure.
Who knows if the team is headed in any direction. The chemistry of the players and coaches dictate that. What is observable and obvious is that the general talent level keeps rising. At some point there's a tipping point where it will suddenly click and we'll hopefully see a GSW kind of breakout season. But no one can guarantee a thing. And you know that so why the chronic whining? There are twenty-nine other teams who sell T-Shirts - find one you like and go. Like Melo, you may need a change of scenery.
Yes, who can forget when the contending Sacramento Kings snatched up Arron Afflalo. Man, do you actually believe the things you're typing? Or when the contending Moscow team signed Alexie Shved.
You can spin it however you like it. But reactions around the league, including from KP, say that many do not agree with you.
He has not supported Hornacek. He's made his job impossible by repeatedly undercutting him. Hornacek has no chance here now. I feel bad for him. Fisher at least had a backbone and wouldn't let Phil run his practices. So Phil fired him.
But I assure you - the rest of the league sees what is happening here. And it's not the Garden's version they're seeing.
Phil explained that when when he was coaching the championship Bulls teams he encouraged any coach to intervene if they saw something wrong and appreciated Hornacek's continuation of that practice with him. He also talked about Hornacek only coaching for a short time - hence having Rambis and himself as resources to get it right.
You want to and can spin all this as something terrible but in what world is a guy who won 11 rings ignored by a third year coach as unwelcome input. Hornacek will be a much better coach for the experience and will someday wax poetic about the experience. The losing record throws shade on everything but once the winning starts they'll be talk of, "we started getting it right during those dark years of losing."
Phil is not a coach. He's supposedly in the Jerry Krause role. That's something Phil and you continue to misunderstand.
Go look up how much Phil liked and accepted Jerry Krause's input.
PHil haters, you sound like little whiners going on about Tyson, Shump and JR and Jose Calderone.
PHil's presser was not the problem, even phil is not the problem. He is the symptom. He is the residue for years and years of mismanagement. Same with Melo. KP was reacting to this toxic activity.
Point all the little phil finger hate you want. Phil is not going away. Nor is dolan, but can hope badd JUJu might go away.
newyorknewyork wrote:The direction is clear. People just dont agree with it.
People like Kristaps Porzingis.
nyknickzingis wrote:I doubt KP is upset with Phil alone
I think this is about everything
His own injuries
His team not meeting expectations
His team and coaches not meshing
His friend Melo being told he's getting shipped outI think he is extremely competitive. He wants to get back to the gym. I saw his interview after the last game id season and he said that he just wants to get to the gym two times a day right away - weight lifting and basketball two times a day
Look for KP to come into 2017-18 a monster and having a chip on his shoulder. I'm happy KP is pissed. Guys who like to lose or are ok with losing never become winners. KP has a winners mentality ... he's going to be better off because of this attitude
Fair points in your list...Not sure he met his own performance expectations, either.
Many reasons to be upset, but he needed to man up and attend the meeting...and by expressing his dissatisfaction TO PHIL, he would have also gained some team cred with the other guys on the Knicks.
crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The direction is clear. People just dont agree with it.People like Kristaps Porzingis.
KP will come around in time. This is just a perfect example of the bad influence Melo has on the team. KP should voice his feelings to his bosses and not disrespect them like that. Just one more reason to get Melo the hell out of here.
Nalod wrote:Everyone hated Krause. Not the 6 rings. Phil ran from Bulls as fast as he could. Krause was egotistically thinking he was the man who built the team and was the Daddy. Mike thought he was it. Phil thought he was it. Bad people. All winners.
PHil haters, you sound like little whiners going on about Tyson, Shump and JR and Jose Calderone.PHil's presser was not the problem, even phil is not the problem. He is the symptom. He is the residue for years and years of mismanagement. Same with Melo. KP was reacting to this toxic activity.
Point all the little phil finger hate you want. Phil is not going away. Nor is dolan, but can hope badd JUJu might go away.
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crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:Everyone hated Krause. Not the 6 rings. Phil ran from Bulls as fast as he could. Krause was egotistically thinking he was the man who built the team and was the Daddy. Mike thought he was it. Phil thought he was it. Bad people. All winners.
PHil haters, you sound like little whiners going on about Tyson, Shump and JR and Jose Calderone.PHil's presser was not the problem, even phil is not the problem. He is the symptom. He is the residue for years and years of mismanagement. Same with Melo. KP was reacting to this toxic activity.
Point all the little phil finger hate you want. Phil is not going away. Nor is dolan, but can hope badd JUJu might go away.
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Yeah man, that was the day Krause passed away.
martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:Everyone hated Krause. Not the 6 rings. Phil ran from Bulls as fast as he could. Krause was egotistically thinking he was the man who built the team and was the Daddy. Mike thought he was it. Phil thought he was it. Bad people. All winners.
PHil haters, you sound like little whiners going on about Tyson, Shump and JR and Jose Calderone.PHil's presser was not the problem, even phil is not the problem. He is the symptom. He is the residue for years and years of mismanagement. Same with Melo. KP was reacting to this toxic activity.
Point all the little phil finger hate you want. Phil is not going away. Nor is dolan, but can hope badd JUJu might go away.
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Click here to view the TweetYeah man, that was the day Krause passed away.
Doesn't mean it's not true. - You're saying Pippen lied because Krause died?
crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:Everyone hated Krause. Not the 6 rings. Phil ran from Bulls as fast as he could. Krause was egotistically thinking he was the man who built the team and was the Daddy. Mike thought he was it. Phil thought he was it. Bad people. All winners.
PHil haters, you sound like little whiners going on about Tyson, Shump and JR and Jose Calderone.PHil's presser was not the problem, even phil is not the problem. He is the symptom. He is the residue for years and years of mismanagement. Same with Melo. KP was reacting to this toxic activity.
Point all the little phil finger hate you want. Phil is not going away. Nor is dolan, but can hope badd JUJu might go away.
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Click here to view the TweetYeah man, that was the day Krause passed away.
Doesn't mean it's not true. - You're saying Pippen lied because Krause died?
Dude really?
However if you're trying to rebuild. You understand what makes the talent you have valuable to other teams in order to maximize your return.
Why are you implementing a complex offense if you're trying to elevate the value of JR and Shumpert?
If you're clearing salary why do you trade a center with value to playoff teams, for an aging point guard with two additional years on his deal. You got no value and added salary.
For two players that were apparently immovable, Smith and Chandler got 4 year deals. While crazy signings, it proves that someone found them useful.
KP is not stupid. Phil has acted like a spoiled smug Senator. Personal conversations become public through his media mouthpiece Charlie Rosen. Why sign up for this? Pushing the triangle when not one team runs it is not only silly its suicidal.
This team needs the death penalty. Sad to say. Now we are flipping a coin because we decided to win the last game of the season.
Nothing changes and it never will.
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The direction is clear. People just dont agree with it.People like Kristaps Porzingis.
KP will come around in time. This is just a perfect example of the bad influence Melo has on the team. KP should voice his feelings to his bosses and not disrespect them like that. Just one more reason to get Melo the hell out of here.
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fwk00 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
Bitter, stubborn and with no logic.
Phil was brought here to change the culture- What culture has he built? Throw coaches and players under the bus? Give up on guys after one year? Try to win now and also build for the future? When buiding now make sure you pick guys that may break down in a month? When building for the future by drafting guys and then trading them within a year?
Now that the only reason, most on here, keep using to defend Phil, has shown he is not happy with Phil, the logic is to stay with the same stubborn view that Phil is headed in the right direction. Because when the "Future of the Franchise" does these type of things, its a good indication the person in command has control and is headed in the right direction?
The culture Phil has brought actually irks many fans and he summarized it in the press conference when asked about tanking. His reply (I'm paraphrasing) was, "That's not how we play, we play to win." Just because Melo doesn't get that message, doesn't mean it isn't being transmitted loud and clear. For Melo to whine about "I want to win" could not be more absurd.
Another cultural milestone is Phil's loyalty to Hornacek. Melo and his gang ran Rambis out and Phil was having none of a second act. the players don't employ the coaches, the team does. What coach was "thrown under the bus"? The coach who was too busy having an affair rather than tend to the business of getting the team off to a strong start?
Phil's respect for the difficulties of being a player between a rock and a hard place was evident in his handling of Rose. He could have been a draconian A-hole about the incident but he wasn't. The media spins this as a sign of weakness instead of strength. When he talks about Noah he called him a "warrior" - a word long associated with Ewing and Oakley. Yet fans who make a BFD about the Oakley/Dolan incident have no problem treating Noah (and Rose) like garbage. The misfortune of players injuries does not signify a bad trade. Injuries are part of the game and open a door to opportunity both for the injured and the player in waiting. The Noah trade turned out to be an exchange for Hernangomez. But fans are suddenly fiscal accountants rather than rational talent evaluators.
And the players Phil has brought in are what he can afford, find, and legitimately identify as fitting. Many are here one year and are quickly signed by contenders. Wow. What a failure.
Who knows if the team is headed in any direction. The chemistry of the players and coaches dictate that. What is observable and obvious is that the general talent level keeps rising. At some point there's a tipping point where it will suddenly click and we'll hopefully see a GSW kind of breakout season. But no one can guarantee a thing. And you know that so why the chronic whining? There are twenty-nine other teams who sell T-Shirts - find one you like and go. Like Melo, you may need a change of scenery.
Sorry. Trying to understand? Exactly how many wins have his three different rosters won?
You can keep defending his poor record. Your argument is all based on future hypotheticals. Here is one... He will be the Knicks worst losing Prez in a 5 year span, ever. He will retire and Knicks will be no where near a turn around.
ekstarks94 wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The direction is clear. People just dont agree with it.People like Kristaps Porzingis.
KP will come around in time. This is just a perfect example of the bad influence Melo has on the team. KP should voice his feelings to his bosses and not disrespect them like that. Just one more reason to get Melo the hell out of here.
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I have always supported melo but I agree. This wouldn't have happened if we won 31 games and melo isn't on the team. I get that the expectations would be different, but it's a fact regardless.