Knicks · Sources: Frustrated Kristaps Porzingis skips Knicks exit meeting... (page 6)
ekstarks94 wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The direction is clear. People just dont agree with it.People like Kristaps Porzingis.
KP will come around in time. This is just a perfect example of the bad influence Melo has on the team. KP should voice his feelings to his bosses and not disrespect them like that. Just one more reason to get Melo the hell out of here.
100%
I have always supported melo but I agree. This wouldn't have happened if we won 31 games and melo isn't on the team. I get that the expectations would be different, but it's a fact regardless.
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newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
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That's pretty much how I feel.
newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
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This was a bad move by KP. Young kids are easily influenced. The Knicks sign his paycheck not the players the loyalty is to the organization.
Why did I decide to check in on things now that the season's over after the first season ever where I decided to stop watching by January?
Someone needs to write an opera about the Knicks.
newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
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When Phil outed Carmelo like he did (which he did not have to do so blatantly) in the press conference I think he crossed a line that I don't think we've seen in ages by an executive or even a coach at this level.
It's horrible management at this level by most standards. Only because Phil thinks he is teflon can he get away with it. I hope by some miracle his staregy works, which I very much doubt, but I can see why a teammate will stand up for another and a young player like KP might decide to make a point as Melo is his boy.
Vmart wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
'This was a bad move by KP. Young kids are easily influenced. The Knicks sign his paycheck not the players the loyalty is to the organization.
The players run pro sports for the most part and for good reason. He can get paid anywhere else if he wants and loyalty to an organization you've only been working for less than 2 years for and were DRAFTED to play for (so not even his choice) is a silly expectation.
crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The direction is clear. People just dont agree with it.People like Kristaps Porzingis.
This was a duesche move by KP from any perspective.
Someone please tell me WHAT THE HELL HAS KP DONE THUS FAR to think for 1second he is too good, too smart, too big to meet with Phil Jackson?
This is a perfect example why our clubhouse lawyer Melo must go soon.
Phil said it best "we need players who will give effort, defend and move every night".
What we don't need is a so-called star who refuses to run the offense, refuses to cut, who doesn't understand/care about help D and who basically thinks he's better than every coach he's ever played for.
When Melo goes the drama will follow him out the door.
Shut your mouth KP...get in great shape with legit strength and listen to the cat with 11 rings.
PresIke wrote:Vmart wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
'This was a bad move by KP. Young kids are easily influenced. The Knicks sign his paycheck not the players the loyalty is to the organization.
The players run pro sports for the most part and for good reason. He can get paid anywhere else if he wants and loyalty to an organization you've only been working for less than 2 years for and were DRAFTED to play for (so not even his choice) is a silly expectation.
For some reason it doesn't sound right. The players come and go the organization usually stay. He was drafted by the Knicks but like you said, he doesn't have to sign. He could have gone elsenwhere but once he signed the dotted line his responsibility is to the organization. If going to an exit interview is required then he should be there. Unless the organization said he need not come. Which probably is what the truth is. The Knicks probably told him to keep away from the media who are going to beat them with Melo questions.
Vmart wrote:PresIke wrote:Vmart wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
'This was a bad move by KP. Young kids are easily influenced. The Knicks sign his paycheck not the players the loyalty is to the organization.
The players run pro sports for the most part and for good reason. He can get paid anywhere else if he wants and loyalty to an organization you've only been working for less than 2 years for and were DRAFTED to play for (so not even his choice) is a silly expectation.
For some reason it doesn't sound right. The players come and go the organization usually stay. He was drafted by the Knicks but like you said, he doesn't have to sign. He could have gone elsenwhere but once he signed the dotted line his responsibility is to the organization. If going to an exit interview is required then he should be there. Unless the organization said he need not come. Which probably is what the truth is. The Knicks probably told him to keep away from the media who are going to beat them with Melo questions.
Players exert power in different ways. Solidarity with your co-workers against management when you feel they are out of line is not exactly something that never happens and sometimes is not without good reason.
He isn't their slave. He's an employee, and one that the organization HEAVILY is relying upon for the future of the team, and is generally wildly popular with the fans.
I don't think we should be assuming what KP was thinking at all. He seems like a bright young man with a good head on his shoulders. What Phil did is quite outside the lines of what we come to expect from management when it comes to treating star players, especially.
Phil airing this dirty laundry is an outdated tactic to deal with star athletes at this level that almost always backfires now and in other circumstances usually leads to the manager being fired. But Phil thinks he's teflon -- he is for now -- so he went and tried it because he feels his reputation is being tarnished. I think it's immature of him to say what he said, just like when he said the arguably racist comments about entourages earlier.
He's out of touch with what things are like today and a good manager/executive really can benefit from that to be to be successful.
In English soccer last season one famous manager, Jose Mourinho, who has a big reputation for success, but also for using the press to call out his players pretty much had a mutiny on his hands after he seemed to cross the line with the mistreatment of a female team doctor and complaining about his own players to the media. He scolded the doctor on the field for coming out to treat their biggest star player for being injured because he was worried it would cause them to not have enough time to come back (I believe) or it was interfering with an opportunity to score. The entire team turned on him as he kept complaining and sounding isolated from his team, and he was fired one season after they had won the title with he as the manager.
This season, Claudio Raneri, a wildly popular and charming manager with fans and the media becoming so after managing Leicester City -- a team that had 5000-1 odds to win the league last year and did -- was also fired for arguably having internal problems with his star players. Reports came out that those players were asking management to fire him as the team was struggling with and looked sure to be relegated to a lower league. As soon as he was fired the team won 5 games in a row and have saved their season and playing like the did a year ago. I suspect part of what happened is that the players may have also not liked how the manager was getting a lot of the credit in the media because it sounds nice. Something else must have been awry, but fans in England cried about how badly the players treated the manager and how bad it has gotten with athletes, blah blah blah.
Point is, it doesn't matter. It is what it is and you either get with the program as an executive and manager or face the reality of the best players not wanting to play for your team.
nyknickzingis wrote:Has there been any word from KPs camp about this?
nada
fwk00 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Is there something there that you think isn't accurate? I just listened to Phil for 50 minutes. Nothing he said has given me anymore confidence that he is going to be a better executive. Someone, Bobby Marks?, said several months ago that based on his experience he would expect that KP's agent would have already contacted the KNicks about concerns.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I know you can't wait for him to leave. But dont expect the dysfunction to go away. Don't expect the team to start winning. Don't expect Jeff Hornacek to be given a real chance to coach with autonomy. Don't expect anything back for Melo. Don't expect Phil to mentor more or for his mentoring to have a positive effect, and don't expect KP to stick around if this nonsense continues.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't have an issue with KP having support for his friend Melo but this seems out of character for KP. I'm going to reserve judgment on this until we hear directly from KP how he feels. It also makes me wonder if Melo spoke to KP and influenced his view on things.
He is the only young player that has a contract other than Willy that can say something. This is a big deal. So was the top down comment. Phil has created such a dysfunctional situation. Why is Dolan always so loyal to the guys that just suck so bad at their jobs? Grunwald had a winning record and got the Knicks to the playoffs both years he was in place. Walsh was pretty good and certainly wasn't dysfunctional like Isiah. The league had to intervene to get Isiah removed. I believe Dolan teared up when he replaced Layden. Now Phil is getting two more years.I actually can't WAIT for Melo to be gone!!! This team needs to be free of this drama. I still want to hear from KP on this to see what his explanation is. He's going to have to talk with Phil and get clarity on things.
Phil is doing the right thing for this franchise. KP needs to understand that Melo's agenda isn't good for this franchise. One day KP is going to realize this.
Yikes, someone is bitter
all of what you said was about predicting the future and you want to ask me what isn't accurate? All of it?
Nix tried to predicts the future all the time but you don't call him bitter. It's amazing how Phil is involve in turmoil every year but yet we are supposed to think things will change.Have you read Nix's posts? His are the opposite of bitter.
Bitter, stubborn and with no logic.
Phil was brought here to change the culture- What culture has he built? Throw coaches and players under the bus? Give up on guys after one year? Try to win now and also build for the future? When buiding now make sure you pick guys that may break down in a month? When building for the future by drafting guys and then trading them within a year?
Now that the only reason, most on here, keep using to defend Phil, has shown he is not happy with Phil, the logic is to stay with the same stubborn view that Phil is headed in the right direction. Because when the "Future of the Franchise" does these type of things, its a good indication the person in command has control and is headed in the right direction?
The culture Phil has brought actually irks many fans and he summarized it in the press conference when asked about tanking. His reply (I'm paraphrasing) was, "That's not how we play, we play to win." Just because Melo doesn't get that message, doesn't mean it isn't being transmitted loud and clear. For Melo to whine about "I want to win" could not be more absurd.
Another cultural milestone is Phil's loyalty to Hornacek. Melo and his gang ran Rambis out and Phil was having none of a second act. the players don't employ the coaches, the team does. What coach was "thrown under the bus"? The coach who was too busy having an affair rather than tend to the business of getting the team off to a strong start?
Phil's respect for the difficulties of being a player between a rock and a hard place was evident in his handling of Rose. He could have been a draconian A-hole about the incident but he wasn't. The media spins this as a sign of weakness instead of strength. When he talks about Noah he called him a "warrior" - a word long associated with Ewing and Oakley. Yet fans who make a BFD about the Oakley/Dolan incident have no problem treating Noah (and Rose) like garbage. The misfortune of players injuries does not signify a bad trade. Injuries are part of the game and open a door to opportunity both for the injured and the player in waiting. The Noah trade turned out to be an exchange for Hernangomez. But fans are suddenly fiscal accountants rather than rational talent evaluators.
And the players Phil has brought in are what he can afford, find, and legitimately identify as fitting. Many are here one year and are quickly signed by contenders. Wow. What a failure.
Who knows if the team is headed in any direction. The chemistry of the players and coaches dictate that. What is observable and obvious is that the general talent level keeps rising. At some point there's a tipping point where it will suddenly click and we'll hopefully see a GSW kind of breakout season. But no one can guarantee a thing. And you know that so why the chronic whining? There are twenty-nine other teams who sell T-Shirts - find one you like and go. Like Melo, you may need a change of scenery.
Do you read what you are writing? So your telling me, Phil force placing Rambus on the staff and forcing JH away from the style of coaching, he is known for, to a style he has never coached before, is not throwing someone under the bus? What other Executive is coming on the court and making his coach run his system? What other executive highers his buddy to "Make sure I have a connection to the way things should be implemented? What is this High School? You hire someone,(Coach), because you think he is best qualified, and then you stay the hell out of his way. If you can't, then you either hired the wrong man for the job or you do not know how to be an executive leader. This is why Knick fans deserve the shit Dolan puts out. Their expectations for this professional franchise is that of a high school team. Not a professional sports organazation. Smh. No hope to shed some logic to those that cant see Phil for the Dolan Starphuck shield. Phil should either coach or be thrown out on his ass. He was not given 50M plus to quasi coach the Knicks and make us more of a joke. He is not an NBA Executive!! Lakers knew this. Kerr knew this.
PresIke wrote:Vmart wrote:PresIke wrote:Vmart wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I don't like this at all and think the kid has got some nerve to think he's above going to his exit meeting and hope the Knicks/Phil make sure to let him know who he's working for. This is not a good look for KP IMO. Anyone that was active on here around the time KP was drafted knows i wanted him from the beginning so i'm a big KP fan but this changes the way i look at him somewhat. I really hope he has a good explanation for doing this. Phil isn't the kind of guy that will take shyt like this from any player let alone a 21 year old 2nd year player who isn't as good as he's made out to be and it wouldn't put it past Phil to trade him. I'd hate to see the kid go though cause he's still growing.
'This was a bad move by KP. Young kids are easily influenced. The Knicks sign his paycheck not the players the loyalty is to the organization.
The players run pro sports for the most part and for good reason. He can get paid anywhere else if he wants and loyalty to an organization you've only been working for less than 2 years for and were DRAFTED to play for (so not even his choice) is a silly expectation.
For some reason it doesn't sound right. The players come and go the organization usually stay. He was drafted by the Knicks but like you said, he doesn't have to sign. He could have gone elsenwhere but once he signed the dotted line his responsibility is to the organization. If going to an exit interview is required then he should be there. Unless the organization said he need not come. Which probably is what the truth is. The Knicks probably told him to keep away from the media who are going to beat them with Melo questions.
Players exert power in different ways. Solidarity with your co-workers against management when you feel they are out of line is not exactly something that never happens and sometimes is not without good reason.
He isn't their slave. He's an employee, and one that the organization HEAVILY is relying upon for the future of the team, and is generally wildly popular with the fans.
I don't think we should be assuming what KP was thinking at all. He seems like a bright young man with a good head on his shoulders. What Phil did is quite outside the lines of what we come to expect from management when it comes to treating star players, especially.
Phil airing this dirty laundry is an outdated tactic to deal with star athletes at this level that almost always backfires now and in other circumstances usually leads to the manager being fired. But Phil thinks he's teflon -- he is for now -- so he went and tried it because he feels his reputation is being tarnished. I think it's immature of him to say what he said, just like when he said the arguably racist comments about entourages earlier.
He's out of touch with what things are like today and a good manager/executive really can benefit from that to be to be successful.
In English soccer last season one famous manager, Jose Mourinho, who has a big reputation for success, but also for using the press to call out his players pretty much had a mutiny on his hands after he seemed to cross the line with the mistreatment of a female team doctor and complaining about his own players to the media. He scolded the doctor on the field for coming out to treat their biggest star player for being injured because he was worried it would cause them to not have enough time to come back (I believe) or it was interfering with an opportunity to score. The entire team turned on him as he kept complaining and sounding isolated from his team, and he was fired one season after they had won the title with he as the manager.
This season, Claudio Raneri, a wildly popular and charming manager with fans and the media becoming so after managing Leicester City -- a team that had 5000-1 odds to win the league last year and did -- was also fired for arguably having internal problems with his star players. Reports came out that those players were asking management to fire him as the team was struggling with and looked sure to be relegated to a lower league. As soon as he was fired the team won 5 games in a row and have saved their season and playing like the did a year ago. I suspect part of what happened is that the players may have also not liked how the manager was getting a lot of the credit in the media because it sounds nice. Something else must have been awry, but fans in England cried about how badly the players treated the manager and how bad it has gotten with athletes, blah blah blah.
Point is, it doesn't matter. It is what it is and you either get with the program as an executive and manager or face the reality of the best players not wanting to play for your team.
It's a contractual obligation. Your going on a tangent.
Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?
They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
nixluva wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
Nah can't pin this on Melo
KP has shown his form of rebellion and leadership already
In Feb he called out coaching staff and players
He's been pissed at his body having nick nack injuries holding him back
He is a fierce competitor that hates to lose
To me my guess is he wanted to jet stream out of NY as fast as possible to get home and to practice. He was wrong for missing this thing, but it's not about Melo or Melo influence. I think KP simply doesn't want to deal with more talk and blah blah. Just wants to go put in the work. In his last interview he was pretty clear in that he didn't want to waste time and that he wanted to get bigger stronger and live in the weight room. This season played its toll on KP. He's 21. Very unprofessional of him and Knicks should fine him but let it go since he is 21 and had a drama filled losing season to endure.
nixluva wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
Don't blame it on Melo. Ok is an adult and I hope that he can take a leadership role next year. He should apologize and take culpability for his actions
nixluva wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
LOL. Nix is actually inventing events out of thin air.
nyknickzingis wrote:nixluva wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Did Carmelo skip his "exit" meeting as well?They met and I bet it was before KP was scheduled to meet. I think KP spoke to Melo and after hearing Melo's take on things KP got his bright idea. SMH! Melo is a F'n AWFUL Role Model!!!
I expect KP will eventually apologize to Phil and Jeff. Perhaps his brother or parents might talk some sense into him or maybe Dirk.
Nah can't pin this on Melo
KP has shown his form of rebellion and leadership already
In Feb he called out coaching staff and players
He's been pissed at his body having nick nack injuries holding him back
He is a fierce competitor that hates to loseTo me my guess is he wanted to jet stream out of NY as fast as possible to get home and to practice. He was wrong for missing this thing, but it's not about Melo or Melo influence. I think KP simply doesn't want to deal with more talk and blah blah. Just wants to go put in the work. In his last interview he was pretty clear in that he didn't want to waste time and that he wanted to get bigger stronger and live in the weight room. This season played its toll on KP. He's 21. Very unprofessional of him and Knicks should fine him but let it go since he is 21 and had a drama filled losing season to endure.
I appreciate your take but I still think it had to do with Melo. The only statement KP made was to Tweet a response to Melo's Tweet about Phil's comments on Melo. I think KP got an earful from Melo and decided at that point not to show up, Pure and simple IMO.
Also KP wasn't expressing any anger after the last few starts he had, so why all of a sudden would he be so upset??? KP had 3 20 PT games in a row before tweaking his back. The younger players had some positive performances to close the year so KP wasn't upset at all. Not until Phil said Melo needs to go!!! I could be wrong about this but it seems logical to me.